Terrorist Attack on London

[Stevesanity]

I dont even get what your arguement is. It sounds like you want to blame america for fighting these peices of shit becuase life isnt perfect in america. I guess if someone rapes a girl thats george bush's fault too, and not the rapist.

I didnt say its Bush's fault but he can spend more money on helping his own people that spending it on weapons and funding the army. Medical bills are huge these days and Im sure you've seen the movie John Q where it gives a rough idea of whats happening in the USA.

Look at Saudi Arabia, people are afraid to even shop lift because they know if they get caught the punishment is serious but what happens here? Some of them escape or are release 15 years later only to go back and do the same thing they did.

The way to contain terrorism is through intelligence. Theres no way to stop someone from walking onto a bus, and blowing themself up. The way to combat it is through intelligence, and so far america, england, australia and other countries have done a good job. Not a perfect job, but a good job.

Intelligence? yeah the same one which messed up and told everyone their were nuclear bombs in Iraq...well where are those warheads now?

Remember, these terrorist target anyone. They targeted spain when they were days away from withdrawing their troops. They targeted russia who dont even have troops in iraq. They target people going to work, schoolkids, people who have nothing to do with politics (which is in response to "Did they all bomb us? did they help send those two planes into the WTC, I highly doubt that and only someone with a racist grudge would say yes.")

And dont we do the same thing?

Dont get me wrong, I feel sorry for the people who die in crossfire too. But why do people automatically assume that to be america's fault? It looks like you're just looking for reasons to bitch.

Reasons to bitch?, it is our fault because we are using the wrong tactics and methods.

And where im from has nothing to do with you, so you can go fuck yourself .

Im not sure what your family thought you but people dont fuck themselves. It does matter where your from, because theirs a different perspective depending on where you live and your background.

[Jackal]

Yeah, what did they thought you? ( )

[FendeR`]

Don't believe me? I just started wearing training diapers yesterday. Keep saying I'm being brainwashed by political propaganda, I'll keep laughing.

Hmmm... the joy of debating.... Whatever...

I can't just do something that will prove to you I'm not brainwashed.

You tell that to the women who used to live in afganistan, who were circumsised (cliterious removed so they couldnt enjoy sex), unable to look out windows, etc etc. They didnt even have television. How you can say that people are worse off now is a joke, and goes against your entire arguement of propagander.

Cynical as it may be, I'd exchange 100.000 human lives for that anyday. Geez...

Are you sure about that? Add to that the other things that Matt later listed, and are you sure you would? I really doubt that you would be whistling to the same tune if you and your wife had to go through that.

Iraq is better now. I have an Iraqi friend and he tells me of some of the bad things that sadaam did. People forget, he is the dictator, not George Bush. Iraq is free of that dictator, and sure there is violence, but thats becuase the job is not complete.

I love it when people who do nothing, sit back, and when things arent perfect, complain. How would you solve terrorisim? By hoping that people wont hate you? By bowing to their demands?

No. By striking terror with terror. Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth. Destroy, annihilate, maim. That'll show those bad boy terrorists who they're messing with.

We aren't destroying their cities with reckless abandon with an aim to cause as much fear as possible. But really, what would you do? When I ask my sister the same thing, who agrees with the same points as you, she says she doesn't know. Well, I know that I would rather elect a president with a definite plan, rather than electing one who would "play it by ear".

Just becuase you believe somthing doesnt make it right, and just becuase someone agrees with you doesnt automatically mean you are seeing things clearly. Its possible that you are both brainwashed by media too.. it goes both ways. If you are quick to dismiss any credible thought becuase it goes against yours, then you are close minded. And people, generally, who claim that they are right, are usually close minded too.

"Open mind for a different view... and nothing else matters". Too bad some people only focus on th e'nothing else matters' part...

I disagree entirely. Matt just entered the conversation, and I can't speak for him, but I've said all along that I'm open to other views. But no one can get a word into this conversation without you casting it to the side without any thought.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Heres how life was under taliban rule

Amputating the hands of thieves.

Public executions

Shooting of prostitutes in sport stadiums

Shooting of murderers by victim's family, in sport stadium

Hanging or throat cutting of robbers, in sport stadium

Stoning of adulterous (unmarried) couples

Collapsing a wall over homosexuals

On the advice of the Hindu community elders, who used to be disturbed by the police who thought them to be Muslims who had shaved their beards, on May 22, 2001, the Taliban issued an order that Hindus and other non-Muslims must wear a yellow identity symbol. This policy was replaced in June of the same year, by an order that Hindus were required to carry a special identification card.

Muslim men were beaten or jailed for shaving or excessively cutting their beards

Women were not permitted to wear see-through socks or shoes, nor to wear shoes that make noise when walking

Women suffered physical punishment if showed face in public

Houses with women present were required to have windows facing the street painted over so people outside would not be able to look inside.

Converting people from Islam (death penalty for Afghan convert, expulsion for foreign national)


Hey, what a wonderful life they must've lived. Imagine if that was your wife that was subjected to that.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_under_Taliban_rule

The above <<<< 100.000 human lifes,including hopes, dreams, love, pain, hope.
I'm sure you comprehend.

The way to contain terrorism is through intelligence. Theres no way to stop someone from walking onto a bus, and blowing themself up. The way to combat it is through intelligence, and so far america, england, australia and other countries have done a good job. Not a perfect job, but a good job.

Yes... 'intelligence' ... must be a coincidence that even the Americans do not dare use this word along with 'George W. Bush' in the same sentence...

On a serious note, if intelligence was so developed, then secret-covert operations could just root out the seed of teh problem and eradicate it. Like off-ing Laden or Saddam. But that was not the most profitable choice, now, was it?

They target people going to work, schoolkids, people who have nothing to do with politics

Riiighttt... when American innocents die, it's all about the bad, inhuman terrorists

when Iraqi,Afghani or Serbian innocents die, it's all about a 'smart' bomb unfortunately needing further 'education' . After all, shit happens, right?

[cyanide]

Its not just that... Heres how life was under taliban rule

Amputating the hands of thieves.

Public executions

Shooting of prostitutes in sport stadiums

Shooting of murderers by victim's family, in sport stadium

etc. etc.

So why is bin Laden still not found? Why shift attention to Iraq all of a sudden when bin Laden's the guy that caused the whole 9/11 to happen? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't bin Laden the leader of the Taliban?

[Riot]

Bin Laden means nothing. If we capture Bin Laden Al-Qaeda will still live on. And it's extremely hard to find Bin Laden, he's running scared from the troops. He is going from cave to cave and from country to country. Whenever America gets intelligence where he is and we go and raid the place he's already gone.

You talk about those 100,000 lives and say they are horrible, which they are. Losing 100,000 people is no joking matter but you look at what they all had to go through in their everyday life and that sacrafice was justified. Think of the kids who won't have to grow up under that supression anymore. Think of the future generations that can finally voice their opinions. Think of the future girls who can finally go to school and make something of their lives.

But, like FendeR`and Camby are saying...no matter what we say we are "brainwashed" and you guys just toss it to the side. The more and more you agrue the more and more it looks like you are the closed minded, brainwahsed one.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't bin Laden the leader of the Taliban?

I do not believe so. Taliban was/is an Afghan sect, while Osama is Saudi Arabian. But the Taliban and Al Qaeda were pretty close as far as dogma is concerned.

[cyanide]

no matter what we say we are "brainwashed" and you guys just toss it to the side. The more and more you agrue the more and more it looks like you are the closed minded, brainwahsed one.

It's a lovely paradox, but the same thing applies to you, just keep that in mind

There's always two sides of the extremes, and it's something we'll never agree with.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

And it's extremely hard to find Bin Laden, he's running scared from the troops.

...scared from the troops??? ... SCARED FROM THE TROOPS??? ... and that's not propaganda??? Dear God, can't you just discern the lines they are feeding you with???

Losing 100,000 people is no joking matter but you look at what they all had to go through in their everyday life and that sacrafice was justified.

Yes, as justified as the extinction of the entire red race for 'the brave new world'.

Think of the kids who won't have to grow up under that supression anymore.

Think of te kids who won't get to grow up AT ALL!

Think of the future generations that can finally voice their opinions.

THEIR opinions? their OWN opinions? Care to reconsider?

no matter what we say we are "brainwashed" and you guys just toss it to the side. The more and more you agrue the more and more it looks like you are the closed minded, brainwahsed one.

Ay yes... the real problem in this debate is who gets the upper hand, eh? Not the facts, not the truth, not th ekilling, not the lies, not the generations lost in a war for alterior motives, no, nothing like that. It's whether YOU are brainwashed or not.

It is every man't choice whether to live as a puppet, being bounced around like a ping-pong ball according to the whim of the bog honchos, or take his lif einto his own hands, judge things thinking more as a 'human being', rather than 'American', 'Iraqi', 'Republican', 'Democrat', 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. Wake up and smell the flowers, people. Don't go squandering your potential and your freedom on lost causes and false truths. Just be true to yourselves, goddammit!

That's it, I'm through with this, I cannot stand seeing young people wasting themselves on such BS. I'm done with this.

[Username123]

Did anyone of you know that USA used to support BIN LADEN. They used to supply ammo and etc. to him and his group.

[cyanide]

I think most people know about that, actually

[Jackal_]

Cambyman, I understand what you're trying to say and I respect that. But you have to realize that this is a debate. Last time I checked a debate wasn't about telling other people to go "Fuck themselves". You're a moderator, supposed to be an example. We're all entitled to our opinions and I'm sure both you and I feel strongly about this issue...but again going off on someone isnt the point. Instead of swearing at someone just make a better run at your debate...

[Riot]

Bin Laden is running scared...if he wasn't why would he be running from cave to cave, country to country and not letting anyone know where his where abouts are? If he isn't afraid why not stay in one spot and tell the world where you are. He is obviously running for his life, and that is a fact.

[J@3]

Bin Laden is running scared...if he wasn't why would he be running from cave to cave, country to country and not letting anyone know where his where abouts are? If he isn't afraid why not stay in one spot and tell the world where you are. He is obviously running for his life, and that is a fact.

Lol what do you think he's going to do? Stand there and let someone bomb his cave? If the shoe was on the other foot and terrorists had amassed a huge army and were after Bush, do you honestly think he'd just stay in the one place and wait for them to come?

[Riot]

Hell no. He'd be running scared from the terrorists too.

[J@3]

It's just human nature, anyone with half a brain would run... they've definitely got him worried, it's impossible for him to be just happy and fine with everything but I think in the public's eyes it would help ALOT if they caught him.

[Riot]

I hope we catch him and torture him on national TV

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Bin Laden is running scared...if he wasn't why would he be running from cave to cave, country to country and not letting anyone know where his where abouts are?

People of his kind, with a defined purpose inmind, are not really scared of dying. In HIS mind, Allah will reward him in death for his service against global evil... He's not running scared, he's just trying to prolong his organization's activity for as long as he can.

[J@3]

I hope we catch him and torture him on national TV

Would being interviewed by Oprah count as torture?

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Would being interviewed by Oprah count as torture?

He'll be given season tickets for the hawks and forced to watch every game for teh 06 season. Soon enough, he'll be dead.

[Riot]

Oprah is so hot....


Dweaver, I'm sure he wouldn't mind dying for his cause but he is human. The human brain tells you death is bad and fights it as long as it can until you can no longer hang on. I'm not saying Bin Laden wouldn't mind dying for his cause, because he would, but he is human and the brain is programmed to survive.

[Jackal]

You're a moderator, supposed to be an example.

Given you're new, I'll take this opportunity to set the record straight. That's a crock of shit.

To say he "should" set an example is a joke, he's one of the best posters of the NLSC. That's how Matthew is, he'll call you a cunt but he'll still give you one hell of a read. Just because he's a moderator, doesn't mean he has to be all prim & proper. Why do people always expect that? He's the way he is, which is why he's a great mod. Not changed or fazed due to the power.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

To say he "should" set an example is a joke, he's one of the best posters of the NLSC. That's how Matthew is, he'll call you a cunt but he'll still give you one hell of a read. Just because he's a moderator, doesn't mean he has to be all prim & proper. Why do people always expect that? He's the way he is, which is why he's a great mod. Not changed or fazed due to the power.

You forgot the 'slurping' smilie there...

[Jackal_]

I don't doubt the fact that he's a gread poster. I've read his posts and agree his a very good poster..just seems like he was taking the debate kinda personal. It's human nature to get that way but still doesnt justify the fact that he goes off on someone for believing in something. Disagreeing is the main element of debating. I even took something personal but didn't swear at the person I was talking to. Try to understand what I'm saying..

[Jackal]

Wow, so witty, so so so witty. Give him the witties little bitch award, please!

I've been around long enough that that's the kind of response you'll get. When I call someone a dipshit for being a dipshit, I get PM's saying, oh awesome & what not. Say something good about someone, you're a cocksucker. Hehe, the new era of the NLSC.

I'm usually quite tolerant and what not, it takes quite a bit for me to get all worked up, but in all seriousness, fuck the Euro's & the new wave of NLSC posters. You all are a bunch of cocks, you work harder to be funny/different than trying to unite the community. That tide, I'm beginning to see it, it's filled with Euro cunts & 12 year old teenie boppers.

Bring back the Shanes, Yohances & Matthews to regular posters. Hell, I'd even take back Tales over you dumbwitted fuckers.

In all seriousness, the only posts I do enjoy reading are either from Jae, Cyanide, Jonex, Matthew (now that he's back), Null & a select others. The rest of you just don't stand out, too plain.