
it surprised me that Diogu went that high, as I thought they might grab a SF like Granger, but I guess they want some more interior toughness....
some nice picks that should help the Warriors next season
i was glad to see mullin address the teams real needs instead of going for anoher high flyer
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:i was glad to see mullin address the teams real needs instead of going for anoher high flyer
I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Granger or Gerald Green... At the very least, they'd be trade assets...
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:I like our 2005 draft choices, especially the second Round ones...
Ike Diogu is a mystery, he could be the second coming of Elton Brand (heck, even a poor man's Brand would fit nicely into the lineup right now...), or a bust and a bench guy at most.
Diogu will probably start at PF, and if teh fact that he was Pac-10's scoring champ with constant double and triple teams being thrown at him is anything to go by, he should contribute. Also, his work ethic is unparalleled.
Looks like all those times Chris Mullin talked about convincing Troy Murphy to start playing Center and bang it out with the big guys were on the level, after all. At 6' 11" and near 250 pounds, Troy has teh physique to play the 5, byt he needs to develop the grit and passion needed to constantly go up against big seven footers in the paint. Plus, if he does it, his fantastic mid range shooting and agility will cause mis-match problems.
With a starting lineup of BD, J-Rich, Pietrus, Diogu and Murphy, a bench of Fisher, Dunleavy and Foyle, things are looking good PROVIDED the frontcourt of Diogu at 4 and Murphy at 5 works. I still hold reservations about Troy's ability (and willingness) to play the 5, though...![]()
As for the second round picks, I am very pleased with the landings of Ellis and Taft. Taft is being said to possess Top-10 talent, but his lack of heart and/or motivation hurt his stock. He's the best gamble available at the 42 spot, and hopefully being in the NBA with a non-guaranteed contract will spur him on to be a warrior, in name and heart.
Monta Ellis is a HS kid with a great deal of potential, but he also received critiscism about his lack of size, position and heart. Size is 6'3" and his age is just 18. so he just might grow an inch or two in the future , which will allow hism tyo play as a SG. About his alleged lack of work ethic, one can only hope that the struggle for a guaranteed NBA contract will aid in his working a bit harder.
All-in-all, I grade this year's Warriors drafting selection, as a B+.
Ike Diogu is a mystery ? Diogu isn't a mystery to anybody who remotely follows college ball (and doesn't just look at stats).
I think Foyle will continue to start with Murphy. Murphy isn't ready as one of the worst post defenders I've seen in a long time
I don't want to be rude, but do you watch basketball?
Murphy, however, does have the grit and passion. Murphy doesn't back down from guys that challenge him. He's looked to pick a fight several times in his career already.
There isn't a big difference between the 4 and 5. It's a very small distinction, especially on a team that doesn't have a Shaq or Big Z.
15 years of being a Warriors fan, and I don't watch basketball? Excuse me, but that WAS rude.
Unless your point that the Warriors don't really play much baskeball during the last 15 years, in which case your point is correct. Laughing
Correction: Ike Diogu's game and how it translates to the NBA is a mystery. You get the meaning now... Wink
I agree there. Foyle might start the season, but he'll definitely not finish as a starter. Not if we're going to make a playoff run...
As for Murphy, I already said it: He's far from ready to play C. But he can start trying... Thumbs Up
I get tired of people translating 'grit and passion' into not backing down, picking fights , etc... This is not streetball, buddy, this is 5 0n 5 pro basketball. Wink 'Grit and passion' translates into working hard to do what is required of you, leaving your last drop of sweat on the floor to win, and keeping your head in the game and each and every play, giving your 100% every second that you grace the hardwood. And Troy is far from that yet. I'd take that 'grit and passion' over Ronnie Artest's version any time.
yes there is, especially when you are facing a team with a big difference between teh 4 and 5. I do not believe this needs further explication.
I still disagree. I feel don't Diogu's game will have any problems transitioning. Brand did fine and while Diogu isn't nearly the same athlete, Diogu does have a better supporting cast to help him out.
Foyle is a better post defender
He's passionate about defending his teammates or himself and not letting the other team be more physical.
He's out there hustling, saving loose balls, tipping rebounds, boxing out, just not playing defense...
I haven't seen Murphy have problem with not giving 100%.
Ah, but you see, is there a big difference between the 4 and the 5 on the Nets? On the Clippers? On practically all the teams except for the Lakers, Bulls, Cavs (or wherever Big Z goes), Suns, or Rockets? Nope. It's big man and big man for most of the teams.
A lack of athletiscism is the main knock on an undersized PF. Mo Taylor's career
anyone? I hope he turns out to be a superstar, but he'll most likely be a nice player, which is still good for us.
True, but there are some guys who have 'backup' written all over them.
Yes. passion uncontrolled. Extreme willingness but little knowledge. Bad combination.
'Passion' and 'defense' go together in pro sports, especially basketball.
My point exactly. Laughing
It's not about size only,it's about skill. Think Dirk, Brand, 'Toine, Okafor etc... Murphy can't guard them and Foyle can't go chasing around the quicker ones. Big problem when you have a combo of a defensively lacking agile PF who can't play the 5 and a big shot blocking 5 who can't guard anything farther than 10 feet. That's where Diogu's X-Factor comes in. Hence the mystery. Wink
Diogu is a hard worker (as seen by the improvement in his jump shot), Taylor is not. Diogu has all kinds of moves in the post, Taylor does not. Diogu has a longer wingspan than Taylor.
This is where hopefully Biedrins comes in, a couple years down the road!
Murph has uncontrolled passion? Little knowledge? Huh? I'm somewhat confused.
Can you tell me what's wrong with Murphy playing the 5 when the Spurs bring in Nazr Mohammed and Robert Horry? What about Chris Mihm and Lamar Odom/Ronny Turiaf? Think Murphy will have problems against Theo Ratliff or Marcus Camby?
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:Mo T was a lottery pick 7 years ago and has been in th eleague for some time. Diogu still has to prove himself. Let's leave it at that and see what the future has bestowed.
Exactly. Passion and little knowledge of post offense or defense can only lead to quick fouls and loss of rhythm.
Hehe, if you were Poppovich would you use the Horry/Nazr duo often, or would you opt to crush Murphy by rotating TD, Nazr and even Rasho on him on offense? See, it's not only what WE choose to do, it's how we can adapt to what the other coach throws at us. And trust me, with Foyle and Murph, versatility is not our strongest point...
Sure, but Maurice Taylor has proved himself to be nothing more than a very mediocre player.
From Murphy needing to "develop the grit and passion" to this. Little knowledge of post offense has nothing to do with this.
Brad Miller. Miller is a jump shooting big man (and a damn good one at that), but Murphy at the 4 or the 5 could cover him.
Eric Dampier, Lorenzen Wright, Stromile Swift? Dampier has the best game out of the bunch and his post game sucks.
Mehmet Okur? Just a shooter. He could play the 4 and Murph could be playing the 4 too.
Murphy's an excellent rebounder already and I don't see him having problems rebounding against any of those guys.
Foyle and Murph aren't versatile at all, but the point here was that there isn't a big difference between the 4 and the 5. IMO, Murphy is closer to playing the 5 than you seem to believe.
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:...and Ike Diogu has proven nothing at the NBA level yet. My point all along.
It has everything to do with it. Real passion to play the 5 (meaning: leraning to play some post D, and working his butt to do so...) is lacking, Knowledge of post offense and defense id lacking. The only way to start covering these deficiencies is "grit and passion", meaning working hard to learn a new position and being disciplined in doing what the coach requires of him. Therefore, it makes perfect sense.
Good luck to Adonal Foyle dealing with Kenny Thomas. KT is very underrated, and can score a ton if plays are called for him.
Stro can just dunk over Troy anytime he wishes, so don't even go there.
And I'm guessing Foyle and/or Diogu can take Boozer and Kirilenko out of the game? Good one.
I never quastioned his rebounding instincts. That is not the issue. Defense and offense in the key is.
Versatility is the key when going up against twin-tower formations, small lineups, etc... and believe you me, coaches in the NBA are smart enough to take advantage of the lack of versatility. Murphy can start playing the 5 as of tomorrow, for all I care. How he does is the issue, and I'm just not that optimistic. Let's leave it to time to prove me wrong or right, shall we?
I just don't think the Bulls will refuse to match...BUT Reinsdorf is an idiot, so who knows.
D-Weaver 99027 wrote:A piece on Biedrins and his potential by RealGM...
http://warriors.realgm.com/articles/106 ... s_the_key/
The author strikes me as a bit of a homer, but what the hell. News about the Warriors are scarce as it is...
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