It's Over..Don't even try ...Kobe MVP

[bishibashiboy]

Have a 9-game streak of 20+ assists, lol, that was the funny part of my post.

ouch..you're hard to impress..haha..
just out of curiousity, has anybody ever had 20+ assists for 9 straight games??

Well, 'coz the rest of the Lakers are not good, they (the Lakers GM) should trade them for good players, so Kobe can pass the ball more and still be a 28+ ppg.

hmm..of course this would be the ideal solution, but i don't think there'd be that many takers for Fisher, Fox, Madsen, Medvedenko, Shaw..etc..

again, i dont like michael jordan (some guy said mj fans hated kobe, thats pretty presumptious) and i dont hate kobe....... i just dont think he's as good as some of you like to believe

while i do agree with the fact that he's over-rated, i still believe he and t-mac are a/b equal in ability alone and are ahead of all other Shooting Guards in the league. Is he the best player in the league? Strictly arbitrary, and capable of being argued until the end of time.

anyway..... can u imagine how powerful the lakers would be if they hadnt traded campbell and jones for glen rice??!!!!! christ......

haha this is an excellent point. I think they could have used Campbell in place of that moron Samaki Walker and Eddie Jones for sure should have stayed, or even Nick Van Exel.

[scubilete]

I think they could have used Campbell in place of that moron Samaki Walker and Eddie Jones for sure should have stayed

Specially if Jones should have stayed, you wouldn't have to hate Kobe, cause that was the main purpose of trading Jones, so Kobe would start doing all this you don't like.

I definitively like the old Lakers. However, they didn't win. Now the Lakers are winning with less support and just 2 guys as scorers. Some would say it's the manager (specially old chicago fans), I don't care what it is, all I care is that they are really dangerous even when they just count with 2 guys for scoring.

hmm..of course this would be the ideal solution, but i don't think there'd be that many takers for Fisher, Fox, Madsen, Medvedenko, Shaw..etc..

Doesn't that show you how good those 2 guys left are? That they win several championships against the Webber, Divac, Bibby, Christie, Stojacovic, B. Jackson, which would be clearly a better team. Would you say that Kobe is under-rated when he clearly can be at the level of those guys or over them or you would say that Shaq is the only one? I admit Shaq is the difference but without Kobe, I don't think the Lakers would have gone nowhere, as well as Kobe without Shaq.

However, as for the MVP thing, you would come and say "Well, that's the point, Kobe has Shaq and T-mac has nobody", T-mac has better teammates than Kobe does, that's why Kobe has a good chance at the MVP, their performance individually is really great and maybe T-mac has the advantage but even Kobe's teammates are not that good, he's among the assists leaders while T-mac is not even showing among the best 20s.

I respect everyone's opinions, whoever who says Garnett or T-mac should be the MVP, I would have to agree as well, they have the rights, but when you come and say that Kobe is over-rated. Is like others said, what do you want Kobe to do to show you how good he is and that he's not even near to be over-rated?. 20 assists in 9 consecutive games, not even Stockton did that, plus Stockton was never considered to be an MVP candidate after leading the league so many times in assists.

[magius]

are you including shaq among kobe's teammates??? shaq and 3 other guys look like pretty good teammates to me

but yeah, you're right.... kobe is good!!! I'm not denying that, but some people are not ONLY saying that he is good, but that he is far and above tmac and kg (refer to the title of this whole thread.... lol) .... and THAT is ridiculous. Those three are playing amazing and are probably equally good at this point......

but if tmac's recent monster play is for real and consistent.........

imagine if tmac or kobe or kg could put up a 35, 10 and 10 season next year!!!! fuggedaboutit.

[scubilete]

Well, yeah. Apparently, Shaq is the only teammate I would need to win a championship, .

It's like I said, those deserved the trophy, but he was saying that Kobe is over-rated, that's why I started complaining. I mean, Kobe Bryant is getting $12 M, while Juwan Howard is getting $20 M. That's what I call over-rated when related to money-play, when related to what Kobe does on the court, he does everything.

In the case of being selfish with the ball during the final minutes, well he will learn to pass the ball and trust his teammates, but if you check those teammates that he quoted there are not the kind of teammates you want to trust in a final minute of the game.

[benji]

I mean, Kobe Bryant is getting $12 M, while Juwan Howard is getting $20 M.

Kobe got his contract after the CBA was restructured...he couldn't have been given $20 million...and when Howard signed his deal, it was considered a bargin for Washington...

[scubilete]

Howard has always been a piece of it, so he didn't deserve that money at any time. That's why he's not a Wiz anymore.

[Rens]

Howard has had 2 seasons below his standard, 99-00 where he averaged only 15ppg and 6rpg, and 01-02, where he averaged 13ppg and 7.5rpg for Dallas (lot of other options). His other seasons have been good, most were like 17ppg and 8rpg, looks good to me. He had to go from Washington because his contract was too big not because he sucked. He might have bad luck this summer and might have to play for the 4.5M exception, but he's worth more than that, 7-8 million a season for sure.

[scubilete]

the point is he doesn't deserve that amount of money. Also, if you check, 20 Millions for 17 ppg & 8 reb, that's wasting, those guys that earn that amount are taking their teams to the top and playoffs, he can't say he doesn't have teammates, he is not a leader, that's another point. In Denver, he should be scoring over 20 per game, he's not. Maybe he's just lazy or just want to get to the Kings to play with Webber so he can look like a good player when he hasn't developed any skills in the league.

[Rens]

Howard is on the Nuggets for crying out loud.. how can he not claim he doesn't get help from his teammates?

[scubilete]

Well, even they look so bad for you, they are pretty good, and he does get help. Also, he's in Denver as a punishment for leading the Wiz to nothing while they were paying him so much $$$$, that's what happened to Tim Hardaway as well. Punishments all over, soon we will see Artest in the same position.

[TheBob]

Is it God or David Stern who's handing out these punishments?

[Showtime]

I bet you all a thousand bucks KG gets the MVP award. Close behind will be Kobe, then Webber and T-Mac.

[TheBob]

I dunno, I could see Tmac getting it, especially now that the Magic are climbing the playoff ladder. Whoever gets it, it'll be close.

[Boyk]

okay, as much as i wanna see Kobe win it, i think its gonna be KG's year, and if he does i lose $100
KG is my friends fave player and we made a bet on who would get mvp, i said kobe, he said kg of course.

oh well, it will be close

[Colin]

KG had something crazy like 24 points and 23 boards in the OT loss to the Kings. Curse you CWebb, let him win.

[GloveGuy]

I bet you all a thousand bucks KG gets the MVP award. Close behind will be Kobe, then Webber and T-Mac.

Webber before T-Mac? Yeah right. Kobe before T-Mac? Maybe. I think it's a tie between the both of them. Hey what if Gary Payton and Milwaukee end up doing well, should GP get some recognition, after leading the league in assists but still averaging 20 a game and still being the best defender out of all the guards.

[magius]

marbury has better numbers than payton now and his team is winning!

yay!

[GloveGuy]

Are you kidding me? GP leads Marbury in rebounds, assists, steals and field goal percentage. He also averages less turnovers. And since when were the Bucks as a team still trying to gel, better than the Suns? You're talking crazy.

[magius]

okay if your gonna play the stat number....

marbury is only averaging 0.4 assists less

marbury is only averagin 1 rebound less

marbury fg% is 0.003% lower

marbury s only averaging 0.3 less steals

these "weaknesses" are barely recognizable!!!!

marbury ppg is 2.8 over garys

and to show you how ridiculous YOU sound:

payton averages 0.1 more minutes per game

payton ft% is almost 10% under marburys

payton averages around 2 less free throws per game then marbury--marburys penetration is better

paytons 3 point % is 0.015% less than marburys

and whats this craziness about payton needs time to geld with his team??? When he was in seattle he had MORE THAN ENOUGH time and they had a losing record.

i didnt say that marbury was better than payton (though in MY opinion he is), i said he had better numbers than him-- i was probably a bit excited when saying that, and maybe i'm wrong, but at the LEAST their numbers are equal or incredibly close to being equal.

I think marbury is better not because of his numbers though, but because I've watched both of them play and i enjoy watching marbury more and IN MY OPINION he contritubes more to his team winning.

so chill

[mp3]

tim duncan or kobe will get m.v.p
i think kobe deserves it more, with the record he just broke and all....

[GloveGuy]

and whats this craziness about payton needs time to geld with his team??? When he was in seattle he had MORE THAN ENOUGH time and they had a losing record.

i didnt say that marbury was better than payton (though in MY opinion he is), i said he had better numbers than him-- i was probably a bit excited when saying that, and maybe i'm wrong, but at the LEAST their numbers are equal or incredibly close to being equal.

I think marbury is better not because of his numbers though, but because I've watched both of them play and i enjoy watching marbury more and IN MY OPINION he contritubes more to his team winning.

He just go to Milwaukee. The Bucks minus Payton are much worse than the Suns minus Marbury. The Sonics were awful besides Payton and Barry so don't use that as an example. But GP has led them to many winning records in the past. Marbury has Marion, Hardway and Amare.

Please explain to me how being more fun to watch makes you think he's better. Payton isn't Marbury. They're two completely different guys with diffrent styles of play. But just because more people like watching the flashy Marbury opposed to the fundamental GP, shouldn't mean that he's better. And you say that Marbury contributes more to his team. Wow. In Seattle and now in Milwauke, Payton was everything. In Seattle he had to do everything for his team to stay winning(though they didn't last year) while Marbury has a huge supporting cast.

But I guess we both have different opinions.

i think kobe deserves it more, with the record he just broke and all....

You make it sound like just because he set the record, he deserves MVP. The record isn't even as great as it sounds. Why don't you have T-Mac or KG? These guys lead their teams to winning records SINGLE HANDEDLY

[mp3]

i think kobe deserves it more, with the record he just broke and all....

this is just my opinion.

duncan and kobe have been solid all season, like t-mac and KG. but after the spurs heart on the road, kobe's record and the laker turnaround i (personally) would favour kobe or duncan.
yer i have been a little hard on KG and t-mac, maybe they will prove me wrong?
anyway what do i care? iam a knicks fan.....
i have the lottery to look forward to!!

[scubilete]

anyway what do i care? iam a knicks fan.....
i have the lottery to look forward to!!

The Bucks minus Payton are much worse than the Suns minus Marbury.

Gloveguy, I will suppose that you meant the opposite, since the Bucks are not showing they got better with Payton. In other words, the Bucks care a nut if Payton shows up or not, they have Cassell, . That's why I don't think you meant that cause obviously the suns need more Marbury than now the Bucks need Payton.

However, I have to agree with you, Marbury's style is different to Payton's and that would drive a lot of guys to prefer Marbury over Payton, even if Payton is a more complete player. Payton is better leader than Marbury is, that's why Payton is better. Even when Payton has led nobody anywhere, he's better leader than Marbury.

Regarding Kobe... You have to agree that Kobe's performance is great, even you don't have to admit it, you can at least agree with it. I know sometimes Kobe brings jelousity to those Jordan or Lebron fans, who don't want to see him doing what they thought just one guy (MJ) could do.

KG is doing a great job with a bunch of guys who have names (Specially J. Smith) and do nothing but fill out the blank spaces. T-Mac has gotten a lot of help now, he better get far this season, he deserves it, even I don't see it, I guess he does deserve it. Duncan, I don't think the league will give back to back the trophy to the same guy. It has happened but not lately.

[Boyk]

well i kinda stupid now saying ithink KG will get it, after seeing KG get shutdown by mark madsen.......its hard to say now lol
but i 'd say the top 5 candidates are Kobe,KG,T-Mac,Shaq,Duncan

[hotshot_963]

well i kinda stupid now saying ithink KG will get it, after seeing KG get shutdown by mark madsen.......its hard to say now lol
but i 'd say the top 5 candidates are Kobe,KG,T-Mac,Shaq,Duncan

U seriously think that Shaq could be named MVP this year? Sheesh...