which player would u want for the 4th quarter

by em on Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:24 pm

Laddas_KB8 wrote::roll: closer than anyone else

nope..even if he is..stop bragging about him being "so good"... :roll:

by **Clinton** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:24 pm

How about you try giving up going into every thread that mentions Kobe and hating on him. Is that all you can contribute? :roll:

by em on Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:33 pm

Clinton wrote:How about you try giving up going into every thread that mentions Kobe and hating on him. Is that all you can contribute?

why do u say i join in and say i hate kobee so much? i mean im only pointing out facts and what i see him doing..which is ball-hogging.. :roll:

by **Divan Santana** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:17 pm

why do u say i join in and say i hate kobee so much? i mean im only pointing out facts and what i see him doing..which is ball-hogging..

Thats such a weak pathetic argument/point. Is that all you can say. A lame word, "ball-hogging" In that case no star was really great except for example the John Stocktons because then Jordan, Larry and Wilt were al ball hogs. Why don't you point out those facts?? Actually most of those guys had better team mates to pass to unlike Kobe(besides Shaq no one has proven to score consistently).

Saying comments such as you just did shows that your biased "dislike" view of Kobe is clouding your judgement about him which is unfortunate.

You can dislike Kobe and saying negative things about him(since their obviously is always some of...)but I think your point above was pretty unusefull point.

by **ghettobplayer** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:05 am

Call me crazy but ... I would want Carter again to take my last shot ...When he attacks the basket he gets so damn high that he barley anyone can block with me ...but i wouldnt let him shoot i'd make him attack the basket....I wouldnt mind kobe or MJ taking a buzzer beater....it comes with experience

by **Clinton** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:30 am

Call me crazy but ... I would want Carter again to take my last shot

Your crazy. :lol:

by **Drex** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 10:21 am

A healthy and decided Carter would be in the same group with Kobe and T-MAC, if not better.

by **magius** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:33 pm

tmac is starting to get unreal assist numbers now he has a post presence to pass into, and giricek is probably almost as good as miller but not really.

my pick is.........

probably stephon marbury!!!! i cant believe no one said his name, he really turns it on in the 4th, i saw some stat sheet on espn or something and it said he was the best player in the league in the 4th quarter.

stephon marbury....... then tmac....... then kobe.......... then iverson........then shaq............then mj......... then kg.........

by **Clinton** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:16 pm

tmac is starting to get unreal assist numbers now he has a post presence to pass into, and giricek is probably almost as good as miller but not really.

I'm loving the trade right now. Gooden is playing great and is giving the Magic exactly what they wanted. Giricek is also playing well, giving the Magic exactly what Miller did. This takes the load off tMac and it is showing. They are playing great team ball and have a lot of options on the offense end.

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Ryan Bowen :!:

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by **Clinton** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:48 pm

A healthy and decided Carter would be in the same group with Kobe and T-MAC, if not better.

I disagree.

by **Drex** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:42 pm

Quote:
A healthy and decided Carter would be in the same group with Kobe and T-MAC, if not better.

I disagree.

Why??

by **Clinton** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:39 pm

He is no longer at the level of Kobe and TMac. They both got much better by working on their game. Vince used to be better than TMac but McGrady worked hard and look at the player he is now. Kobe and McGrady are more versatile than Vince, they are more consistent and much less injury prone. Carter's game has changed since the days when he was better than McGrady. He now shoots many more threes and doesn't attack the rim half as much. He is not as athletic as he used to be and is probably feeling very hesitant of doing anything athletic. Another thing both TMac and Kobe have over Carter is their defense. They are two of the best perimeter defenders in the league and can shut down any 2 or 3 in the league. Carter has improved his defense but it's no where near the level of TMac's or Kobe's. Carter is no longer in their league. He is with the Paul Pierces, Michael Finleys and Ray Allens.

by **Rens** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:37 pm

I wonder how Kobe or T-Mac would return from a serious injury. Do you think they would still be as athletic and playing the same game they are now if they had previously injured their knee for instance?

by **Drex** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:38 am

Two years ago, the SG top 5 was something like:
1.Kobe
2.Iverson
3.Carter
4.T-Mac
5.mmmm Allen?

Well, Carter got injured, Kobe and Tracy keep improving their game.
Next year, the same. That's why i said if he was healthy could be in the same group, but now, he's really far from that.

by **Mystery** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 4:02 am

Ray Allen

by **Clinton** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:03 am

I wonder how Kobe or T-Mac would return from a serious injury. Do you think they would still be as athletic and playing the same game they are now if they had previously injured their knee for instance?

No. I'd say they would be very hesitant to do anything athletic and risk re-injury, just like Carter. But we aren't talking about how they would return from injury, we are talking about talent. As far as I'm concerned Carter is no longer in Kobe and TMac's league. They have improved dramitically, while Carter's game is less effective then 2 seasons ago. Even if Carter didn't have the injuries he would not be as good as TMac or Kobe.

by **magius** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:22 am

vince carter's coaching staff in north carolina advised the golden state warriors and all the other scouts to get antawn jamison rather than vince carter (that draft year)....... not because jamison is more talented, but because jamison is more of a leader and has work ethic.......... the coaching staff i think believed vince had tremendous talent, but not enough work ethic to realize it.

And they were right...... golden state is running away with that trade now (when we all thought otherwise a few years ago).

tmac had a pretty bad back injury awhile back....... not as bad as vince's though obviously. :wink:

toronto must be killing themselves now. Imagine if they hadn't let all their talent go or traded for vince..... they'd have:

C Antonio Davis
PF Antawn Jamison
SF Tmac
SG Christie
PG stoudamire

wowsy....... hindsight is a cruel thing :cool:

hehe, at least they did better than my (previously) hometown grizzlies!! Now stu jackson.... their was a stupid gm........... big country was our first ever draft choice in that franchise..... can u imagine?! and we signed him to 10 mill......... we also traded dickerson and harrington for francis..... my god. :roll:

by **Drex** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:55 am

As far as I'm concerned Carter is no longer in Kobe and TMac's league.

We all konw that.

vince carter's coaching staff in north carolina advised the golden state warriors and all the other scouts to get antawn jamison rather than vince carter (that draft year)....... not because jamison is more talented, but because jamison is more of a leader and has work ethic.......... the coaching staff i think believed vince had tremendous talent, but not enough work ethic to realize it.

We know that too, but read my first post again:

A healthy and decided Carter would be in the same group with Kobe and T-MAC, if not better.

If he never got injured, and if he started to work hard in his game, Carter also would be improving like those others 2.
But, he's never gonna be the same, and never gonna be able to reach his potential.

by **TheBob** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:48 pm

magius wrote:but because jamison is more of a leader

If he's such a great leader then how come he hasn't led his team anywhere? Whereas Carter has taken his team to the playoffs every year except for his rookie year.

magius wrote: the coaching staff i think believed vince had tremendous talent, but not enough work ethic to realize it.

Well I'd say he's already realized his talent to a certain extent. He is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy. How can you question his work ethic when he has improved his game every year? The only reason anyone is questioning his work ethic now is because he's been injured a few times. No one was saying anything a couple of years ago about his work ethic... :roll:

magius wrote:And they were right...... golden state is running away with that trade now (when we all thought otherwise a few years ago).

Ya they sure are...laughing all the way to the lottery for the ninth straight year.

magius wrote:toronto must be killing themselves now. Imagine if they hadn't let all their talent go or traded for vince..... they'd have:

C Antonio Davis
PF Antawn Jamison
SF Tmac
SG Christie
PG stoudamire

wowsy....... hindsight is a cruel thing

Lets see, Christie, Soudamire and McGreedy all either demanded trades or left via free agency. Furthermore, Jamison, Tmac, and Stoudamire all have max contracts and Davis is damn close. So you'd have huge amounts of money locked up in your starting five, shame the salaray cap exists I guess.

magius wrote:we also traded dickerson and harrington for francis..... my god.

Actually, the Grizzlies traded Francis and Massenburg for Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, Brent Price, Antoine Carr and a future first-round draft choice. Don't forget they were forced to trade him and at that time he hadn't proven anything in the league.

by **Rens** on Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:23 pm

Clinton wrote:
I wonder how Kobe or T-Mac would return from a serious injury. Do you think they would still be as athletic and playing the same game they are now if they had previously injured their knee for instance?

No. I'd say they would be very hesitant to do anything athletic and risk re-injury, just like Carter. But we aren't talking about how they would return from injury, we are talking about talent. As far as I'm concerned Carter is no longer in Kobe and TMac's league. They have improved dramitically, while Carter's game is less effective then 2 seasons ago. Even if Carter didn't have the injuries he would not be as good as TMac or Kobe.

He would be, he averaged over 27ppg in the season before he got injured and his rebounding ands passing have improved greatly. Also his defense is starting to improve.
Talent is something that doesn't diminish, skill does. When you're injured over a long period, you can't keep your skills on the same level because of that injury, you need some time to get back to your old level.

magius wrote:not because jamison is more talented, but because jamison is more of a leader and has work

Jamison is not a leader, but he does work harder.

magius wrote:Imagine if they hadn't let all their talent go or traded for vince

Unfortunately, Doug Christie asked for a trade, so did Stoudamire, and Tmac left by himself too (sign and trade) so it's not like the Raptors let them go...

TheBob wrote:Whereas Carter has taken his team to the playoffs every year except for his rookie year.

I'll just say this before someone flames you for it, but Carter did not lead the Raptors to the playoffs last year.

TheBob wrote:No one was saying anything a couple of years ago about his work ethic...

Maybe because he's improved new facets of his game very summer.

TheBob wrote:
magius wrote:we also traded dickerson and harrington for francis..... my god.

Actually, the Grizzlies traded Francis and Massenburg for Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, Brent Price, Antoine Carr and a future first-round draft choice. Don't forget they were forced to trade him and at that time he hadn't proven anything in the league.

That's what he said, don't be so picky

by **TheBob** on Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:39 am

Dan wrote:That's what he said, don't be so picky

But how can you forget Carr???

by **ghettobplayer** on Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:37 am

Come on give Carter some love ....Carter dont need to put up dem number that Kobe and Tmac got to ....Toronto has some great players ....and you try to get better when you were injured ....and during the season you dont have that much time to develop your own skills ....look at carter in his last two games against the wizards and boston

he took it to the basket and dominated when he wanted to ......Carter with some work this summer can catch up to Kobe and T'Mac because carter is full of poltential

by **TheBob** on Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:37 am

Go ghettobplayer!!!!!

by **Clinton** on Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:50 am

Carter with some work this summer can catch up to Kobe and T'Mac because carter is full of poltential

Was full of potential. He is going to have to put a hell of a lot of work in on all aspects of his game to catch up to Kobe and TMac.

which player would u want for the 4th quarter

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