The Official San Antonio vs. Phoenix Thread

[furious1]

Did you see Manu on that last layup? He was traveling so much I thought he would end up back in San Antonio before the game ended. From now on I will refer to him as Floppy McTravel.

[Dean]

HEHE. i love it. Floppy McTravel. genious.

anyways, DAMN SPURS!
nash continues to impress, now the only player to post 25 points and 10 assists in 4 straight games.

the return of Joe Johnson should see a turnaround for Phoenix. and if Marion and Q-Rich can put together good games....

[MaD_hAND1e]

You know the biggest contribution a Suns bench player could bring? Come off the bench and clobber Tim Duncans ankle like they do (or pretend to do) in wrestling. I'm sure Paul Shirley wouldn't mind doing this dirty work, he'd have more time writing his blog on NBA.com is he got suspended.

[Strike Freedom]

It's 2-0 now.

[beau_boy04]

I think its save to say it's over for the Suns after being defeated twice at home. They are not totally out but The Spurs are one of the toughest team in their own yard and well they are more experienced than the Suns and they are own for their sticky defense. I'm starting to believe that Defense really really winssss Championships now.

I think the Suns in general are more talented but they don't have the necessary experience and depth to go against the Spurs.

[Jugs]

rofl floppy McTravel

his hair flops like mine wen i run fast down the court
i was watching the replay of the game and my dad kicked me off the tv =|

but spurs 4-0
if they lose game 3 it'll be 4-1

[galvatron3000]

You can list how many times the most talented group of players on the same squad have won a title on one hand, TEAMS win. Spurs have a team, Defense, Offense, Running game, POst game, control tempo, Half Court game, Experience, Depth and the list goes on and on. It amazes me year in and year out how people love glitz and glamour but not substance yet when substance wins out they get confused. Teach you youth substance, fundamentals and they will go much further. Dang, Spurs won this game with Tim Duncan nearly fouling out. You may think they are boring, not fun to watch or whatever but you can't deny their good.

[furious1]

They aren't boring in this series. They actually remind me of the 2001 Lakers without the fat guy commiting all those offensive fouls.

[air gordon]

mostly directed @galvatron (megatron rocks but galvatron is ok too)...

um exactly who can stop ginobili (when his game is on) and duncan in the first place? did you see some of those drives? those were unbelievable. that's not lack of defense, that's just the spurs players hitting tough shots

actually...most of nba champs have had 1 or 2 superstars. the showtime lakers, possibly the greatest froncourt ever in the celts, the chicago bulls... lots of talent, glitz & glamour or whatever you're talking about.. and a lot of championship trophies

you can probably count on one hand the championships teams that didn't have a superstar. detroit being one of those type of teams. so detroit breaks the mold then all of a sudden a lot of people have a hard on about their style

[galvatron3000]

I know people like to say Detroit has no superstar but I have never bought that. Rasheed is a superstar, he just doesn't have to put up superstar numbers, Rip is one of the best off guards in the league, who rebounds and defends like Ben(he may not be a superstar but he does what he des well), Chauncey is streaky but when he gets hot, look out he's clutch, Tayshaun is up and coming, McDyess is still All star caliber just limited minutes. All in All Rasheed is an all star player(franchise player) he demands lots of attention and is effective on both ends of the floor. Detroit and San Antonio are almost idenetical teams, Tim just gets the ball in the post, which is where Rasheed needs to be. Spurs have a better bench.

The big difference is the old team ran the same play until you could stop it. Today teams run five or six different plays.

Galvatron is ok but...here's a hint(BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[Colin]

Dang, that is too bad...

That Ginobili...he's good...

Same with Duncan...

Phoenix needs someone to rebound and play back-up point (not the same person).

[Amphatoast]

lmao downloading NBA games now?! nice.. just dont try this is your dial up

[Strike Freedom]

Don't give up on Suns yet. They almost won game 2 remember. They only lost by 3 points.
During the game, Spurs was leading for some time but then Suns closed the gap and also lead over Spurs.
Maybe it's like the Houston-Dallas game, where the teams lost twice on their home court.

[air gordon]

I know people like to say Detroit has no superstar but I have never bought that. Rasheed is a superstar, he just doesn't have to put up superstar numbers, Rip is one of the best off guards in the league, who rebounds and defends like Ben(he may not be a superstar but he does what he des well), Chauncey is streaky but when he gets hot, look out he's clutch, Tayshaun is up and coming, McDyess is still All star caliber just limited minutes. All in All Rasheed is an all star player(franchise player) he demands lots of attention and is effective on both ends of the floor. Detroit and San Antonio are almost idenetical teams, Tim just gets the ball in the post, which is where Rasheed needs to be. Spurs have a better bench.

The big difference is the old team ran the same play until you could stop it. Today teams run five or six different plays.

Galvatron is ok but...here's a hint(BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!)

rasheed a superstar? are you serious? when? keith van horn and rasheed's numbers are almost identical

an aging pippen was the best player on those portland teams that came close to getting to the finals, not wallace.

detroit has a great cast of players that play great together, but they have no superstars, sorry.

all star does not.. meh forget it. saying mcdyess is all star caliber was the last straw...

you lost me on the BLAH reference

[galvatron3000]

I never said they are franchise players but if you just go by numbers then no they aren't all stars(I guess) but Rasheed was the best player on that Portland team. He was the one killing them in the post in 2000, as was Bonzi before the injury. McDyess puts up great numbers off the bench. He's still a high quality player but he may not be able to play more minutes(don't if he can or not). He still does what he did before just in small amounts of time so yeah, he's still all star worthy. Rasheed can take over a game he just doesn't want to and the way Detroit plays he doesn't necessarily have too. I know you watched Rasheed murder the Lakers in 2000. They went away from that for some dumb reason. Anyway, McDyess may play a role on the pistons team and by your standards he may not be of all star caliber but he still puts up good numbers for the time he's on the floor and now has a role to play that doesn't require him to be the focus, but I'm willing to bet their are teams willing to take him now, he looks good of the bench. Ginobili is an all star player but he averages about 16 points a game but he upped that in the playoffs by being aggressive, I don't know what your standdards are for all star players but hey even Shawn Marion is considered an all star in todays game.

[air gordon]

i'm not interested in kool aid pistons talk anymore, sorry

i have the game tapes of the blazers lakers series. rasheed did have good scoring games but he also was being the old sheed having his temper tantrums and being disruptive. wtf? bonzi posts up kobe a few times and he's the best player on portland?! lol

it was pippen who was being the vocal leader & catlayst, something rasheed shyed away from (not the actions of a franchise player)... it was pippen making the big plays on both defense and offense.. collecting sick stats lines of 20 some odd pts, 9 rebs, 9 assists, 4 steals, 3 blocks......remember "give me the fucking ball?"

yes, manu is all star worthy.... and shawn marion is considered an all star because he made the team way back in 2003. ray allen didn't make the all star team either this year but he's still considered a star of this league

i just want to know what's this Blah/transformers reference is

[galvatron3000]

you need to rewatch your tapes of that series, yes Pippen got his shine on and did try to be a leader, I agree and Bonzi was killing Kobe(dang you have the tape and should know that)

Marion does even look like a role player right now. He's a very limited player and you can't name many PF better than Rasheed, bump his numbers he's good. He doesn't cherish a vocal leader role but when you smoke too much and have weird points of views then, well. We definitelt don't agree on that but if I ever get online and get a chance to pit my team against yours then I'll show you how good he is. LOL


The Blah was a energy blast, infamous transformers the movies line:


Starscream :"Megatron is that you?"

Galvatron: "Here's a hint."

[maes]

Numbers don't really tell the story for being a superstar. Pippen averaged 16 points, 6 boards, and 5 assists. He was not only considered a superstar, he was named one of the 50 greatest players of all time. It's about intangibles, something coaches & experts talk about all the time. If you want a stat, look in the # of Championship Rings category.

Detroit does have 1 superstar, Ben Wallace. Being named the best defensive player in the entire NBA for multiple years while playing out of position is the work of a true stud.

Being named to the All-Star team is nothing but a popularity contest. Those years where Vince Carter gathered the most amount of votes while gimping around for 20 mpg in Toronto proved it.

[galvatron3000]

Numbers don't really tell the story for being a superstar. Pippen averaged 16 points, 6 boards, and 5 assists. He was not only considered a superstar, he was named one of the 50 greatest players of all time. It's about intangibles, something coaches & experts talk about all the time. If you want a stat, look in the # of Championship Rings category.

Detroit does have 1 superstar, Ben Wallace. Being named the best defensive player in the entire NBA for multiple years while playing out of position is the work of a true stud.

Being named to the All-Star team is nothing but a popularity contest. Those years where Vince Carter gathered the most amount of votes while gimping around for 20 mpg in Toronto proved it.

I partially agree. I don't consider Ben a superstar player just as I didn't consider Dennis Rodman one. I do consider them all star players because they were the best at what they did/do. Rasheed can defend, score, block shots he just doesn;t score as much as most all star players because that's him but he put Detroit over the hump last season, no question.

I guess I have Franchise players and All-star players. I personally think Rasheed is a franchise player, a guy you can build around. All star players are not always franchise players because you may not build a team around them. Shawn Marion is a good example. I wouldn't build a team around him, ever.

[Amphatoast]

marbury is a better example... all star but not franchise (at least not proven yet)

[fgrep15]

Numbers don't really tell the story for being a superstar. Pippen averaged 16 points, 6 boards, and 5 assists. He was not only considered a superstar, he was named one of the 50 greatest players of all time. It's about intangibles, something coaches & experts talk about all the time. If you want a stat, look in the # of Championship Rings category.

Detroit does have 1 superstar, Ben Wallace. Being named the best defensive player in the entire NBA for multiple years while playing out of position is the work of a true stud.

Being named to the All-Star team is nothing but a popularity contest. Those years where Vince Carter gathered the most amount of votes while gimping around for 20 mpg in Toronto proved it.

Pippen's averages were only down because of his final years in the league, many good players have their overall averages go down because of their finals years. For the most part he was a 21-6-6 guy who played very good defense.

[galvatron3000]

http://aol.nba.com/playerfile/scottie_pippen/

if you stop his averages around the time he played in Houston, then his average for points is about 17.7 ppg

He has had some 20 ppg season but fo rthe most part he averaged around 17 ppg, with the capablity of producing more during the course of a game but Pippen did more than score and again stats don't tell the whole story and Ginobili proves that, look at his stats but you can't keep a stat on what he brings to the table.

[J@3]

@Colin: It is a no-no. Before people start debating that, we've already locked a few threads in the past that were made specifically to post NBA torrents.

[air gordon]

now i remember, galvatron. it's been a while since i saw transformers the movie...

as far as the 2000 series and portlando teams- lol you need to rewatch the games. all rasheed was doing was scoring (on a washed up ho grant no less). and if he wasn't doing that, he was self destructing, getting T's. pippen on the other hand, while contributing on offense, was a human wrecking ball on defense. basically he was playing zone off of harper and single handedly disrupting the lakers offense.

i'll say that rasheed is one of the best skilled PF's in the game but that doesn't make him one of the best. he needs to be more consistent. he's in the 2nd tier of best pf's at best

dirk
kg
duncan
brand
JO
webber (when healthy)
amare

are all better then him

[baller status]

Guess whos back from making posts??? thats right-one of the biggest Spurs fans around!

So... how bout them Spurs??? Ive gone to 1 game in each series (except this one-but ill be going to the one on saturday) and like ive said from the beginning of the year over @ nbalive.org... Spurs have another ring...

http://forums.nbalive.org/viewtopic.php?p=71740&highlight=#71740

i honestly didnt think that the spurs would win in phoenix... i woulda even been glad if they woulda won 1 game in phoenix... but both?... that was so unpredictable.