Greatest Player

[Andrew]

Russell's offensive game remains somewhat underrated. But it's no secret he was perhaps the greatest defender in the game, quite likely the smartest.

[beau_boy04]

I got this Ultimate Jordan DVD and its sooo much fun to watch it.

Some interest stats they have in there... check it out:

Games on:

Sunday he averaged 32.6 ppg
Monday 30.7
Tuesday 31.2
Wednesday 32.2
Thrusday 32.3
Friday 31.2
Saturday 31

Career with the Bulls 31.5

If he's not the greatest player of all time, he is definitely:

-The greatest Shooting guard of all time.
-The greatest perimeter player of all time.
-The greatest offensive weapon of all time.
-Among other things.

[The GOAT]

^ that stat's cool. I need to "buy" that DVD...

EDIT: Dammit, when I searched for it on Limewire all I got was Ultimate Upskirts

[beau_boy04]

I don't think you will find it in Limewire. I doubt anybody would make a free copy of it and put it out to the world lol but yeah the DVD is about 15-20 US dollars and its worth it

[J@3]

^ that stat's cool. I need to "buy" that DVD...

EDIT: Dammit, when I searched for it on Limewire all I got was Ultimate Upskirts

Lol yeah, you found out a way to get through your parents word filter didn't you.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the Ultimate Jordan is a great buy for any MJ fan or any hardcore basketball/NBA fan who doesn't happen to dislike him. The 20th Anniversary edition in particular is an awesome collection.

[j.23]

i have the dvd, what part of the dvd does it show those stats?

[Fresh8]

i saw thoise stats in mikes' 'For the love of the game' book... awesome book!

[Andrew]

i have the dvd, what part of the dvd does it show those stats?

It's either in the special features menu or one of the DVD-ROM special features that can only be accessed playing the disc on the PC.

[th3gh05t]

I don't think you will find it in Limewire. I doubt anybody would make a free copy of it and put it out to the world lol but yeah the DVD is about 15-20 US dollars and its worth it

it is worth it

man, i have seen it more than 10x in couple of months

it actually is motivating. hahaha

[Null17]

Yeah, the Ultimate Jordan is a great buy for any MJ fan or any hardcore basketball/NBA fan who doesn't happen to dislike him. The 20th Anniversary edition in particular is an awesome collection.

my only problem with that was that I already have most of the home videos featured there and they seem to be making too many Jordan videos and recycling a lot of the highlights

[Andrew]

In that respect there wasn't a whole lot of new content, though I believe Air Time has some easter eggs and other special features on the Ultimate Jordan release, and DVDs are much better quality than VHS tapes. But you're right, a lot of NBA videos released in the 80s and 90s doubled up some of their content a bit too much.

[Bang]

Well for someone who doesn't own any of those videos, I guess it's a great buy.

[th3gh05t]

Well for someone who doesn't own any of those videos, I guess it's a great buy.

agreed

[beau_boy04]

Sorry if you guys have seemed/read this article but it's a very interesting article about one of the greatest titled "Wilt, Back to the Future"

Check it out >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... son/050519

Interesting quotes from the article:

"But as I remind him, his numbers against players his physical equal (Shaq, Yao, Duncan) are much lower than they are against players like Amare, who are maybe 4 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter. He gets irate with me."

"After a series with Shaq, Wilt would be praying to face Bill Russell."

""If you had to go against them on the regular, no way you dominate like you're doing now," I tell him." referring to: Olajuwon, Ewing, Dikembe, Mourning, and ultimately Shaq.

""Ain't got no control over when I was born, brah," Wilt'll say. "It ain't my fault."

[Air Jordon]

i think Russell and Wilt come before Jordan. Wilt lead the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and even once in assists. (once with 50ppg, 25rpg) Russell for his 11 championships in his 13 season career, 5 time NBA MVP, and he had to go against Wilt. If you compare that to Jordan...he is just mearly a shooting guard who could score well. 6 championships, good, scoring titles, good.... hmmm...seems like there are things missing if he is being called greatest player ever.

[beau_boy04]

i think Russell and Wilt come before Jordan. Wilt lead the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and even once in assists. (once with 50ppg, 25rpg) Russell for his 11 championships in his 13 season career, 5 time NBA MVP, and he had to go against Wilt. If you compare that to Jordan...he is just mearly a shooting guard who could score well. 6 championships, good, scoring titles, good.... hmmm...seems like there are things missing if he is being called greatest player ever.

Mearly a SG who could score well, 6 rings, scoring titles, ?

Buddy I think you forgot to mention his:

-6 Regular Season MVP (more than Wilt)
-6 Finals MVP (a lot more than Wilt)
-3 All Star MVP
-10 Scoring titles (more than Wilt)
-2 3-peats (First ever, I think)
-10-time All-NBA First Team
-Nine-time All-Defensive First Team
-14-time All-Star
-Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

Wilt:
-Only 2 rings and he even wasn't the MVP for both titles.
-4 NBA MVP (if he was that great why doesn't he have more???? I don't get it)
-7 time All-Nba First team
-3 time All-Nba Second team (If he was that great why is he doing in the Second team selection??? and more than once. MJ was selected to the 2nd team only once (in his rookie season)
-2 time All-Defensive First Team (if he was that great why only 2 selection to the All-Defensive First team???? I still don't get it.)

-Now, don't give me that bullshit that he played in an era where tons of great Centers played like Kareem, B Russell, M Malone, etc and that's why he wasn't always selected to the first team and for that reason Wilt was unlucky for not being selected to the first team all the time.

-Now don't try to counterattack me wih this eaither -the other great SG during Jordan's Era was Clyde Drexler I think and he was the second best SG during Jordan's tenure and for that reason Jordan was always selected
to the first team and was lucky because of that. Then I would say Wilt was lucky to play in an era where not too many rules were imposed, the game was totally different, the nba was still growing and developing, he was stronger and taller than most of his competition, so on and so forth. If Jordan would have played in Wilt's era then Jordan could've averaged those 50 ppg and even more maybe 60 ppg who knows.

[Air Jordon]

i think Russell and Wilt come before Jordan. Wilt lead the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and even once in assists. (once with 50ppg, 25rpg) Russell for his 11 championships in his 13 season career, 5 time NBA MVP, and he had to go against Wilt. If you compare that to Jordan...he is just mearly a shooting guard who could score well. 6 championships, good, scoring titles, good.... hmmm...seems like there are things missing if he is being called greatest player ever.

Mearly a SG who could score well, 6 rings, scoring titles, ?

Buddy I think you forgot to mention his:

-6 Regular Season MVP (more than Wilt)
-6 Finals MVP (a lot more than Wilt)
-3 All Star MVP
-10 Scoring titles (more than Wilt)
-2 3-peats (First ever, I think)
-10-time All-NBA First Team
-Nine-time All-Defensive First Team
-14-time All-Star
-Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

Wilt:
-Only 2 rings and he even wasn't the MVP for both titles.
-4 NBA MVP (if he was that great why doesn't he have more???? I don't get it)
-7 time All-Nba First team
-3 time All-Nba Second team (If he was that great why is he doing in the Second team selection??? and more than once. MJ was selected to the 2nd team only once (in his rookie season)
-2 time All-Defensive First Team (if he was that great why only 2 selection to the All-Defensive First team???? I still don't get it.)

-Now, don't give me that bullshit that he played in an era where tons of great Centers played like Kareem, B Russell, M Malone, etc and that's why he wasn't always selected to the first team and for that reason Wilt was unlucky for not being selected to the first team all the time.

-Now don't try to counterattack me wih this eaither -the other great SG during Jordan's Era was Clyde Drexler I think and he was the second best SG during Jordan's tenure and for that reason Jordan was always selected
to the first team and was lucky because of that. Then I would say Wilt was lucky to play in an era where not too many rules were imposed, the game was totally different, the nba was still growing and developing, he was stronger and taller than most of his competition, so on and so forth. If Jordan would have played in Wilt's era then Jordan could've averaged those 50 ppg and even more maybe 60 ppg who knows.

Jordan scoring 50-60ppg in wilts era...i think not. You make a good case, but Jordan still couldnt do what Wilt has done. Jordan never lead the league in rebounds, or assists. Best NBA player ever, i still give the nod to Wilt because of the things he has done that might never be reached again. I guess you put Russell #1 because you didnt even mention him. Russell is probably the best nba player ever. He also had to do it all in a very racist time, jordan never had to go through that. I wonder how people 10 years from now that never got to see jordan play think of him. Maybe by then it will be LeBron the best ever?? If the cavs let him shoot 30+ times a game...i dont see why not.

[Drex]

Why not? Jordan was way ahead in the athetiscism (sp?) department in the 90's, imagine what he could've done in the 60's. Why did Russel won the MVP over Wilt in the Big Dipper's best statistical season??

[Andrew]

he is just mearly a shooting guard who could score well. 6 championships, good, scoring titles, good.... hmmm...seems like there are things missing if he is being called greatest player ever.

With all due respect, that's absolutely ridiculous. I've already made lengthy posts on this topic, but if you want to come up with a better argument than that great disservice to Michael Jordan's abilities and accomplishments, I'll do it all over again.

[beau_boy04]

Jordan never led the league in rebounds and assists because he never wanted to. He was a shooting guard, and shooting guard were not mean to led the league neither in rebs and assists.

[Air Jordon]

Jordan never led the league in rebounds and assists because he never wanted to. He was a shooting guard, and shooting guard were not mean to led the league neither in rebs and assists.

hmmm...neither are centers with assists.

[vc_nets15]

i say the great Magic Johnson!

[Andrew]

hmmm...neither are centers with assists.

Point guards averaged much higher assist numbers during Michael Jordan's career. Wilt's "league leading" assist average wasn't even the highest average during the season - back then, leaders were based on totals rather than the average. That's not to say Wilt's feat isn't impressive but it is somewhat of an oddity. It's worth noting that Wilt's career average is lower than MJ's career average as well as his own personal high (the year he led the league), and that his teams were not as successful when he was registering all these marks.

That's one of the main differences between the two. Wilt Chamberlain did not win championships while posting some of his best individual seasons; Michael Jordan did. Furthermore, players like Jordan, Magic, Bird and Russell were great at all times of the year. Even in the playoffs, when most players are banged up and starting to feel fatigue, most of their numbers went up. Wilt's playoff scoring average is almost 8 points fewer than his regular season career average, an often forgotten number because it doesn't play into the "unstoppable" and "greatest ever" tags.

[vc_nets15]

Mj no dought