pierce or carter?

[Indy]

Im not answering this one yet because i cant say anything pro-celtics during this series.

[fgrep15]

I dunno, a PG can make a huge difference, he's getting so much production paired w/ Kidd. And i never suspected that Nash would make such a dramatic turnaround in Phoenix, it's not like they had a crappy PG before, Starbury is one of the better PG's in the League.

I'm less of the opinion that VC was just completely slacking (he was a little, but so does Shaq and so does McGrady etc) and more of the opinion he's benefitting from having one of the best PG's in history feeding him.

Well him and Rafer were not on good terms before anyways, but in New Jersey he's getting assisted 2% more [which would equate to something like 0.4 more PPG] than he was as a Raptor this season, and you'd expect it to be more considering his FG% is fairly higher. Rafer is not really a good PG, his numbers are okay, but his play is terrible, even then, the Raptors haven't had a good PG for how long now and Vince had been fine for the most part.

[3th]

damit hard to pick i like both teams but still i think im gona go with vince

[John WB]

With Tor, he only had 15.1 shot attempts per game and Tor has some other guys that could score, Alston and Bosh.

NJ has no one else, cept if you count Krstic, and JKidd's relatively a passers.

With NJ, he averaged 21.7 shot attempts per game. His FG% went up from 41% to 46%, but that could be expecting playing with one of the best PGS now in Kidd. Plus, getting more shot opportunities.

I don't know about shot selection or who I'd want making decisions of the two, but I'd given VC the edge in explosiveness and ability to make tougher shots.

Their stats are pretty much the same, cept PP averages 1 more rpg and shoots slightly better from the FT line, but VC gets more ppg and shoots the 3 at a higher percentage.

[The GOAT]

or it could be that in teh eyes of teh media whenever someone suddenly stops playing like an All-star and demands a trade, then says he was being lazy and comes up with teh excuse that oher player in teh league do it and not just him not "trying"...

When did this happen?

Carter never came up with the excuse that other players do it, the only person I remember saying that was Rasheed Wallace. Carter also never said he slacked of as a Raptor this season, he said in years past he didn't work as hard as he could because he had natural ability, so that would refer to in the off-season./quote]

He did, but I wouldn't blame you if you don't believe me becuase I don't have a link. I read a letter he wrote in SI to Raptors fans in which he said that he was not the only one doing it. He didn't name players faking in order to get traded, but rather players that underachieved until the last year in their contract (the only one I can remember is Ray Allen...) but like I said I don't have a link nor do I have the time to find one so you probably won't believe me but there it is.

[maes]

Employees slacking a bit then turning it on when an evaluation period comes up isn't specific to NBA players, that's a natural phenomenon of corporate life and school life.

No student has ever crammed before a test? No employee has worked overtime right before their performance evaluations?

I think it's unrealistic to expect NBA players to play 100% every single game. I know i don't work 12 hours straight every day 7 days a week at my job, but i do when crunch times come and a milestone is looming.

If the NBA wants to reduce "slacking" they should reduce the games to 1 per week like in football. As long as people are playing continually, they'll never keep up 100% performance every time, not even MJ did that.

[air gordon]

I say Vince because I am teh average NBA fan.

Not only does your post not make any sense, but your use of 'teh' once again degrades it even more. I was seriously about to start a Poll/Topic about it, with the question being "Who is Sick of G.O.A.T's use of 'teh'?" Sorry that I'm saying it in this NBA topic, which I'll actually talk about in the next paragraph, but man, you're killing it. You've made 'teh' not cool. It's alright to throw in a little 'teh's and 'pwn's around everynow and then, but it's supposed to hold meaning. It only turns everyone of your posts into a parody. Sorry, but it had to be said.
lol i was thinking this also but it seems like the behavior of a 12 year old anyway

[T-Comm55]

The new and improved Vince is one of the best players in the NBA (again)

[Ataraxia]

Carter never faked an injury, I can understand getting at him for not putting full effort, but I don't know when he faked an injury?

bummed out knee for 2 seasons...but now hes as fit as a fiddle?....him and B Diddy both faked injuries so they can get themselves traded quicker....I dunno maybe they pulled of "Grant Hill's" but I wouldnt put them in the same league as Hill nor would most ppl.

Carter went from Half Man Half Amazing to Half Man Half Season to Half Man Half Almost Amazing

Plus the only reason his stats are big is because hes the only one that can provide any sorta offense on that team besides Kidd....Pierce has to share the ball with Toine, Payton, Davis and alot more good players...yet his numbers are very solid.....put Pierce on the Nets and he would prolly average numbers like that too but prolly more rebounds.

Pierce is the better player for now but I guess Carter can be the better player in the future but he just wont.......plus I see Carter signing elsewhere if the Nets havent won the title by the time hes a free agent....he is a nice guy off the court(gives alot to foundations, charity's etc) but on the court I dunno hes just a different person.....and not in a good way most of the time either.

[8-Hype]

Any celtic fans got anything to say about Pierce?

< ------ Celtics fan.

< ------ Celtics fan. And Pierce is the better all-around player, encourages the team to win and plays like he's a magician to get a win. He fights every night real hard, and isn't so selfish as Carter.

[Amphatoast]

wow tight poll, love seeing the debating

[fgrep15]

Carter never faked an injury, I can understand getting at him for not putting full effort, but I don't know when he faked an injury?

bummed out knee for 2 seasons...but now hes as fit as a fiddle?....him and B Diddy both faked injuries so they can get themselves traded quicker....I dunno maybe they pulled of "Grant Hill's" but I wouldnt put them in the same league as Hill nor would most ppl.

Carter went from Half Man Half Amazing to Half Man Half Season to Half Man Half Almost Amazing

Plus the only reason his stats are big is because hes the only one that can provide any sorta offense on that team besides Kidd....Pierce has to share the ball with Toine, Payton, Davis and alot more good players...yet his numbers are very solid.....put Pierce on the Nets and he would prolly average numbers like that too but prolly more rebounds.

Pierce is the better player for now but I guess Carter can be the better player in the future but he just wont.......plus I see Carter signing elsewhere if the Nets havent won the title by the time hes a free agent....he is a nice guy off the court(gives alot to foundations, charity's etc) but on the court I dunno hes just a different person.....and not in a good way most of the time either.

I think it's called recovering from the injury, his knees haven't truly bothered him for a while, still ices them or whatever, but that's about all. He didn't have any injury problems last season either, he was "fit as fiddle". His only injury period was when Bruce Bowen stuck his foot under him and he hurt his ankle.

This season he hurt his achilles, and missed 4 games as a Raptor, and 3 games as a Net also due to the injury, I don't know where you got the idea that he faked his injuries from, because you've said it so many times, and I keep wondering.

The thing about Pierce is if he was in the same situation as Carter, would he be able to keep the same percentages? On the Nets for the season, Carter got doubled, and most of the time had 3 defenders playing him in a "minizone", kinda of like what happend last season as a Raptor, except the Nets actually have an offense. Pierce on a team with many other options, where he got more singular defensive attention, and more open shots, did not beat Carter in field percentages, but was only a slightly more efficient scorer due to getting to the line more.

< ------ Celtics fan. And Pierce is the better all-around player, encourages the team to win and plays like he's a magician to get a win. He fights every night real hard, and isn't so selfish as Carter.

so Carter does not encourage the team to win, and does not play well to get a win? Also care to explain why Carter is more selfish than Pierce?

[j.23]

post toronto VC.. i never thought he'd erupt like how he did.. simply an amazing scorer and an underrated passer. his defense is questionable but he's just an amazing player.

[Poollit]

I don't believe that Pierce would be as effective with Kidd next to him as Carter has due to the fact that, players that benefit most from Kidd are players who can run and jump, Kenyon Martin +Shawn MArion +richard Jefferson. Not to say these players can not already play on their own or other players do not benefit from Kidd. But those types are usually the most successful with Kidd.
In the situations that Pierec and VC r in, I beleiev that niether has a upper hand. It all comes down to what type of player u want. If u need offense rather than D and reb. and etc... VC is a better choice. But if u need some help on D, reb. and not alot of offensive help...Pierce. If u want to know who is better as a leader, we should first look to which type of player is better, an offensive player or an all around player. So before we decide who over who we have to decide which type of player is better, a sheer offensive dominance, or a upper mid level around player

[$Chris Bosh$]

id rather have pierce because i know he wouldnt want his mom to play pointguard for my team, try everynight and wont stay down for 6 minutes like a bitch over a cramp

[Sauru]

i personally would go for pierce. i would not like the risk of having a player quit on my team just cause he was sick of being there. also i think pierce is much better in the cluth than VC is.

[BMG]

carter has had flashes of greatness
he had a hellova 2nd half this season when he was on the nets
but pierce has been more consistent over his career so i would give the edge to pauly

[vc_nets15]

i think vince is better!!!!
not just because im a huge fan, but vince has huge talent he can shoot, dribble and creat and when he wants to he can be a man (but i agree thats not too often, he is a cry baby) did you all see how he has performed for the nets so far!!!!VC no dought!!!!!

[Sac-1]

um did u notice this is ten days old..just askin

[vc_nets15]

hahaha
......so

[Sac-1]

just saying because people dont usually do that

[Keo]

Okay, why are YOU telling HIM that? You wrote in "Rick Adelman Wins 700th" almost 2 months after it happened...

[Sac-1]

i know..i'm just telling him..so he wouldn't experince the humiliation that i did

[Keo]

OK fair enough...

[beau_boy04]

They are both good in their own ways. However, neither one of them are "great enough" to take their respective team to the championship level. They are at good players at most all-star calibers but no more than that. They haven't shown me any greatness qualities, not yet.