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Postby cyanide on Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:34 am

So there IS love cyanide.

Anyways, Im not against discussing one of the best players in the league today, and doing that in a separate thread. For many years Ive been following the league with neutral view, enjoying the game itself. No love nor hatred for Kobe, but I do enjoy his game.


That's what I was saying, that the love for Kobe comes from Kobe fans. Otherwise, there's a lot of hate. Players in the league, for example, Amare Stoudemire, there's a lot of love for him, but not much hate. Kobe's the kind of player that gets a lot of hate, and it really outweighs the love for him.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:40 am

Wat about MJ in his prime? wasnt he either loved or hated? this my friend is called RESPECT!
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Postby Chris_23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:03 pm

not proper to tie Michaels name here again. Michael never insulted other players in media, nor did he have to ride through the bandwagon of rape-charge and ego that was so high couple of years ago.

However, I find it hard to believe that there is "hatred". Hate is such a radical word, such an extreme. For me it takes alot more than what Kobe has done to actually start hating someone.

And he received the most all-star votes for his position, so I again find it hard to believe that he is hated.

In fact I totally disagree that he is hated by so many.

Perhaps youve not noticed that the extremes of people are the ones saying things. You can put one man saying such a load of nasty words about some player, and others believe that there were ten people saying that. Most people say nothing.

Id personally draw strong parallels between Magic, Kobe and LeBron. Kobe, like Magic came into the team as a man with a great and interesting personality, and knowledge of the game. Took time to prove his worth. LeBron also entered the league in great terms, with hype and love following him. Just as it was with Kobe and Magic. Ill not list here Larry Bird nor Michael Jordan since media accepted them differently at first, changing rapidly and fast for their first three-four years of the career.

Now, think of this... Isnt it so that there is one extreme that can create the opposite extreme? Kobe entered the league, was loved by so many, then some bad things happened and those bad things received major negative feedback. Drama, the thing media is after. Kobe and Shaq were a trademark of NBA for the slump years that were created after the Bulls dynasty and the shortened season.

This resulted in the clash of Kobe and Shaq since for some internal reasons things went very wrong in the Lakers. Malones hard work was not appreciated by Kobe and it was a thunderous turmoil for the last season.

So media had the opportunity to play the ball again, directing things the way of more hype and attention. As the duo faded, LeBron emerged, just like Kobe, into the hotspot of media attention.

Remember last year, LeBrons play was at some point even overshadowed by Carmelo Anthony. Aka, two stars coming in, in one season, both strong competitors and being compared game after game. Like Magic and Bird at their time in 79-80. Neither of them made the all-star team.

However, even it LeBron was toe to toe with Carmelo last season, it was LeBron who managed to avoid the sophomore slump that has struck Carmelo. Now the second dream-boy, Anthony, got struck by media since a flaw was caught, and LeBron got hyped for his good start in the second season.

But it takes and extreme to create the opposing extreme, and at some point in the next few years Im afraid LeBron will hit the obstacle, and be unfairly punished by it by the media. If he wont, then he cant learn from it, and not become stronger through it. Its always good to go through that phase at the beginning of his career. This was so with most great players in the history of the league.

Including Kobe, who similarly to Larry Bird didnt hit the media obstacle at the beginning, but after some years in the league. Larry's line was crossed by the competition with Magic. However Larry was mentally a very strong player, and did some strange things to boost his teams morale. Nevertheless, he lived through his hype, just like Kobe should do in the future. By many Kobe is still considered the best player in the league today (heidy ho flamers @ me). If he can get the Lakers together like Bird got Celtics together, then some great things may happen. Kobe isnt strong enough to carry the team on his shoulders like Isiah did, so he needs to follow a different route and get the team running.

Lakers IS championship material even without Shaq. In fact the team is similar to late 90s Bulls, with no superb centre, with gameball going through SG and SF. Difference is that they also have a PF who can rebound massively, but also score (compensating the Scottie Pippen feature with Butler-Odom).

WHats issing right now is the mind making it work. One cant expect coach to do that alone, so Kobe needs to play a factor there. On court, media should not matter, leadership should.

So, Kobe, lets see some...
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:51 pm

I see a little bit of the late 90 Bulls in the Lakers... but ik on wwhwere ur coming from. Dont get me wrong, but Lamar Odom will never be able to play the part of Point Forward well enoguh to compliment Kobe. Thats only my opinion though. And on terms of leadership- yes it is up to Kobe. Sure, he has matured a lot but he is still trying to force too many things, doesn't trust in his teammates to give them the ball a bit more and basically tries to do too much by himself.

With the new coaching additions... it looks like the Lakers can focus on restarting in the second half of the season! (Y) I'm looking forward to Geroge's return!

The Lakers can be dangerous in the playoffs. They have a star guard with a good sidekick and good shooting role players. But they will need a big man to anchor the team... Odom and Kobe must learn to work together...

Chris_23 man.. i agree with u. It's up to Kobe and his mind to do something. We'll have to see what he can do. All of the criticism must fuel him and motivate him to go hard!
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Postby Chris_23 on Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:00 pm

Kobe managed 13-13 FT last night (Y)

Otherwise he had average shooting, as much as LeBron had last night. Both on 8-17 FG. Kobe was lots on 3s though, 2-6, kinda felt wrong perhaps lol :P
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Postby Little_Big_Man on Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:10 am

I don't think its a matter of Kobe I think its the players around him. Odom needs to step up and the coach needs to have him play more point forward. He can get to the basket as good as anyone with his long strides and he usually finishes with a layup or can get to the line. The Lakers as a hole need to stop settling for the jump shot. What more can Kobe do, He leads the team in points, assists, he rebounds and plays defense and leads by example in the locker room and if you ever watch the games when they close in on Kobe in the team huddle he is always encouraging people. I also think that his arrogance of being a great player makes him take some shots that he shouldn't because he believes that he can make it. For being a smaller team they rebound very well and most nights severly out rebound their opponents. If Odom can get up to about 18ppg the the lakers will be alright. Its up to Odom the second half of the season to make or break the Lakers. Kobe will continue to do everything he can and the other players need to step up. Brian Cook needs more minutes too, he is a great shooter for his size. He helps spread the floor with his 3's so Atkins shouldn't have to take so many and focus more on driving to the basket like Kobe does in attack mode. This is why Kobe gets to the line so much. If they can penetrate more and get to the line they can be a really great team. They are a little to small to play a lot of half court.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:22 am

The Lakers are going for 4 straight... lets hope they do well! (Y)

The real concern at this stage is the schedule the Lakers got... about 75% of it is away isn't it?
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Postby . on Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:05 am

18 away games including a six game road trip, and 12 home games.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:19 am

ok.. so its not as exaggerrated as what i said.. lol

I know LA can make the palyoffs. It destiny for kobe! lol

I know thats a lame reason!
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:39 pm

Lakers got hammered by the Pistons... Kobe had a double double but the Pistons forced him to only shoot 12 times.
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Postby Fresh8 on Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:13 pm

Just wanting to know if Kobe is the most hated guy in the NBA? Reading about Knicks and Celtics games... both have similar lines: 'Kobe was booed in pregame intros and during the start of the game whenever he touched the ball.'

I never knew he was hated by every other NBA fan...
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Postby Chris_23 on Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:36 am

Btw I wrote about this subject and my opinion of it in the lebron vs kobe thread, if you havent read it yet.

I am one of these every "other" NBA fan, but no I dont hate Kobe.
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Postby Sauru on Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:57 am

i just want to note that being hated is far better than being ignored
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Postby Jona on Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:48 am

In the NBA, that is. 8-)
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Postby Fresh8 on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:46 pm

Sorry Chris_23... anyways.. i knew he was hated but not this much.. or is it the sake for booing someone.. i dont understand american sports..
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Postby Sauru on Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:10 am

so much has come out about his attitude in the past few years that has been negative. thisis why people boo him.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:50 pm

Sit wrote:Sorry Chris_23... anyways.. i knew he was hated but not this much.. or is it the sake for booing someone.. i dont understand american sports..


It's not just American sports. Pretty much every NRL team's fans here in Australia boo the opposition when they're introduced before the game. I think part of it is simply the fact that he's in front of a hostile (hostile in terms of sports) home crowd when the Lakers play 28 of the 29 other teams in the league. As for the rest of it, Sauru is right - he's lost a bit of popularity from fans of other teams and players who would otherwise have a greater appreciation for him.
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Postby J@3 on Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:59 pm

Kobe had a huge game tonight in a Lakers win over Dallas (Y)
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Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:06 pm

He was hitting some really difficult shots. He missed 14 of his attempts, but he really worked hard to make some of the 13 that he hit.
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Postby Chris_23 on Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:59 pm

Yup Kobe did real fine last night.

LeBron and Cavs continue struggling though and their next up against Heat promises to end with six losses straight for the Cavs. LeBron has been catching up though and apparently Silas gave him some real hard time after two games with 30% shooting.

Lakers are on the edge of playoffs right now, but I believe they will improve in the long run. Odom played great shooting 80% ending with a double-double and Kobe was a major presence (even in the retro shirts Im not the greatest fan of lol).
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Postby Jona on Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:52 am

I saw the Lakers game, cause in here we had that one, and the Heat vs. Kings!!
Finally I watched 2 games in one day!

ESPN is getting hot, but I doubt it will last...
Lucky you, those who have NBA TV and the like, and can watch 345235234 games a week. :(
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Postby Strike Freedom on Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:13 am

yea espn showed 2 games in a row ... yesterday..
but the problem was i couldn't watch the nba action replay .. cuz it was around 3 am NZ time when it was shown.. n i'd already went to bed...
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:58 am

Andrew... im not sure that most of the League guys are hated on as much as Kobe is.. unless ur hoppate...
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Postby Andrew on Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:26 pm

True, not to that extent. But booing during player introductions and when the away team scores or gets a call does occur.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:33 pm

Interesting!

Phil Jax was talking to Buss last week and they had dinner... however no basketball was discussed even though Jax visited the Lakers training facility too. Will he back?

Buss said, "Phil is definately a candidate"
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