Kobe says he'd like to apologize to Shaq

[Micchy_boy]

In two interviews with ESPN, Kobe Bryant addressed the topics of his personal
image and his rifts with former Los Angeles Lakers teammates Karl Malone and
Shaquille O'Neal and former coach Phil Jackson.

Bryant, in a taped interview on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" on Wednesday,
did not elaborate much further about Malone, whom Bryant previously accused of
making a pass at Bryant's wife, Vanessa, at a Lakers game on Nov. 23. Bryant
said he wouldn't give Malone the benefit of the doubt in this situation, even as
he conceded Malone was like "a big brother" to him last season.

Malone's agent said last week that his client didn't plan to return to the
Lakers because of comments Bryant made in a radio interview questioning Malone's
intent in rejoining the team.

"To me, it's water under the bridge," Bryant said Wednesday. "I just kind of
want to move on from it. We just go our separate ways."

However, Bryant, who was interviewed on ESPN's "NBA Shootaround" on Wednesday
night, was somewhat more open in talking about O'Neal. Bryant said that if he
got the chance to sit down with O'Neal, he would apologize for involving O'Neal
in Bryant's personal problems, referring to statements given to police in which
Bryant said that O'Neal had paid hush money to women.

"Off the court, I have nothing against him," Bryant said. "I'd definitely love
to sit down and talk with him. I don't know, maybe that'll happen. ... I never
intended to involve him in my troubles. I'd apologize to him for that."

Bryant said he has passed the word to O'Neal through a mutual friend that he
would like to discuss the matter.

"December 25 sounds like a good day to me to kind of talk to him and tell him I
never meant in any kind of way to bring any of his personal business out,"
Bryant said. O'Neal, who was traded to the Miami Heat in the offseason, will
play the Lakers on Christmas Day, the first meeting of the two teams since
O'Neal was traded.

Bryant also says he feels "like I'm under a microscope, but there's nothing I
can do about it." As for people believing he forced out Shaq and coach Phil
Jackson, whose contract was not renewed with the Lakers, Bryant said, "It's just
not true."

In Jackson's book, "The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul," he said he
no longer wanted to coach Bryant.

Jackson wrote that he became so frustrated with Bryant that he told general
manager Mitch Kupchak in January: "I won't coach this team next year if he is
still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

At the time, Bryant shrugged off Jackson's criticism. "He's just trying to sell
books. I'll just leave it at that," Bryant said in October.

A month earlier, O'Neal denied Bryant's allegations that O'Neal had paid up to
$1 million in hush money to various women. "I'm not the one buying love," O'Neal
said at the time.

O'Neal made the remark to ESPN's Stephen A. Smith after the Los Angeles Times
quoted a police report as saying Bryant told detectives in Eagle, Colo., that he
"should have done what Shaq does ... Shaq would pay his women not to say
anything" and already had paid up to $1 million "for situations like this."

Bryant was accused of sexual assault in Eagle, Colo., in June 2003. More than a
year later, the charges against him were dismissed, but Bryant still has a civil
suit pending against him.

[GloveGuy]

I was watching PTI yesterday afternoon and they did an interview with him. From a journalistic standpoint, it was a great interview -- great questions, okay answers.

Sad to say, I couldn't help but believe him. He really sounded sincere and generous in the comments he made. It was weird though, as it seemed he was about to cry at just about any moment.

But I'm going to have to go with a statement made by Dennis Rodman on Best Damn Sports Show a couple nights ago. He said that what Kobe should do is just stop with the interviews and play his game. That, in my mind, is the best option for him. That way, we wouldn't have topics like this coming up ever day(no hate, Micchy).

And if Kobe wants to make a huge step in his reputation, on Christmas day, he should go embrace Shaq, show some brotherly love, and then move on from all the drama.

[Matt]

And if Kobe wants to make a huge step in his reputation, on Christmas day, he should go embrace Shaq, show some brotherly love, and then move on from all the drama.

you should be their shrink. That's prob the best advice i've heard....

[j.23]

this just shows how big of a man bryant is by admitting that he made some mistakes and he's willing to patch things up instead of letting it boil over. i saw the interview and i gotta say im proud of the guy; he came off as sincere and honest

[John-John Joe]

[fgrep15]

I think he's more sorry about it going public than about the fact that he actually brought it up, but what I would've liked to know is what lead to him bringing it up, how was it all related.

Kobe dodged some questions in the interview, and it was a little predictable, but all in all a good showing for him in a sense.

The only thing that surprises me is that it seems like he's seeking to talk to the media more, kinda trying to rebuild his somewhat tarnished reputation, if I were him I'd run away from them any chance I can get

[trubucksfan]

this just shows how big of a man bryant is by admitting that he made some mistakes and he's willing to patch things up instead of letting it boil over. i saw the interview and i gotta say im proud of the guy; he came off as sincere and honest

dang you reallly do love kobe, in my opinion things already did boil over in many aspects. hes got 2 conflicts going on at the same time right now and he hasnt exactly cleared them up with the interviews. he should just stay away from the media. i cant really blame him but he went out their on tv to try to clean up his image a bit. i think he should settle things man to man with malone and shaq behind closed doors instead of putting out an apology on national tv.i myself dont belive they were completley sincere, but what do i know?

[GloveGuy]

Shaq: "I'm George Bush."

O'Neal said everyone who he was closely associated with on the Lakers is no longer with the team, which he doesn't consider a coincidence.

"Listen, everybody that had something to do with me has been fired or traded or cut," O'Neal said. "My boy Rick Fox was cut, and he's out there doing bad movies."

O'Neal doesn't intend to prove anything to Bryant and the Lakers on Christmas Day.

"I don't have to make a point," O'Neal said. "I'm George Bush. I'm the president. I built that arena, so I don't have to make a point. I think it'll take us out of what we're trying to do for me to go in there and try to make points."

[Matthew]

I guess you hate Shaq now eh?

I think enoughs been made of this whole shaq/kobe feud. Let their play and actions speak for themselves on the 25th (or 26th here in australia ).

Some people just never get along though..

[Bang]

This is so much bullshit. Honest?? You kidding me. You Kobe fans are sickening. SICKENING. I laughed so much in Kobe's interview because he really thinks he's so innocent. He really thinks he had nothing to do? Maybe it's his friggin huge ego? Did he ever stop and think that? Kobe does not ever deserve to be forgiven. He needs to go to jail, like a rapist should and be raped for eternity. Kobe is basically in complete denial of everything. He is the reason for Lakers destruction. He needs to admit that he just didn't want to be a sidekick anymore. All this bullshit of wanting to apologize to Shaq? He had TONS of time. If Shaq hugs Kobe in Christmas, Shaq will stab him with a knife. And as we watch Kobe bleed to death we will laugh in joy as we look at how the pathetic filthy rapist dies.

[Ataraxia]

wow Im guessing your a Kobe rape victim from the read on that post


Umm stupid, Shaq and Kobe - Overrated Players

[j.23]

This is so much bullshit. Honest?? You kidding me. You Kobe fans are sickening. SICKENING. I laughed so much in Kobe's interview because he really thinks he's so innocent. He really thinks he had nothing to do? Maybe it's his friggin huge ego? Did he ever stop and think that? Kobe does not ever deserve to be forgiven. He needs to go to jail, like a rapist should and be raped for eternity. Kobe is basically in complete denial of everything. He is the reason for Lakers destruction. He needs to admit that he just didn't want to be a sidekick anymore. All this bullshit of wanting to apologize to Shaq? He had TONS of time. If Shaq hugs Kobe in Christmas, Shaq will stab him with a knife. And as we watch Kobe bleed to death we will laugh in joy as we look at how the pathetic filthy rapist dies.

don't even bring huge ego's into this. a lot of athletes have huge egos yet they don't get any heat for it. look at shaq for example, didn't he demand a ridiculous amount of money and a long-term to deal to stay with the lakers? that's stupid considering how old he is -- if that isn't a big ego i don't know what is. you want other big ego's? look at: ray allen, vince carter, tracy mcgrady, peja. i like ray, tracy and peja but i absolutely have no problem calling them egotistical because that's how they are.

He needs to go to jail, like a rapist should and be raped for eternity. Kobe is basically in complete denial of everything.

innocent till proven guilty and no one found him guilty. think before you deduce into such an ignorant conclusion.

All this bullshit of wanting to apologize to Shaq? He had TONS of time.

If Shaq hugs Kobe in Christmas, Shaq will stab him with a knife. And as we watch Kobe bleed to death we will laugh in joy as we look at how the pathetic filthy rapist dies.

k.

at least kobe has the balls to say he wants to apologize and he's man enough to know that he was wrong in some regard. everyone loves to think that shaq and phil are right but exactly what the fuck have they done? you have shaq dissing kobe in a radio interview/mixtape whatever, and you have phil blasting kobe in his book. wow that's a really manly thing to do.


i didn't agree with what kobe did last summer regarding the adultery shit but cut the guy some slack. i would love to see how you would react to all this if you were in his situation.

[Bang]

If Kobe is man enough, he should say "It's my fault the Lakers are destroyed."
Innocent until proven guilty? Oh man, whatever. So you think OJ is innocent right? Probably.
"I don't think it was rape, but she apparently did"
Remember that quote? What does Kobe think rape is? "I think rape has to involve clowns!" Yea, probably.

Yes, everyone in the NBA has huge egos, but Kobe is manipulative and annoying as fuck. Whereas Shaq, he is pretty simple in his thoughts. He doesn't work around shit like annoying Kobe.

Basically Kobe's putting the blame on everyone else, but not himself. I don't know, that's not fucking manly. Maybe he should admit all the things he has done wrong. You really believe all that Kobe says? You're falling to his idiotic "oh, I did nothing wrong and people are leaving..." Coincidence?

Maybe you should see how Kobe is manipulating to believe in his point of view. That is ignorant. He didn't even go to college, and yet you people fall for his lies.

Shaq doesn't need to apoligize, it's totally Kobe's fault that the Lakers got destroyed.

[j.23]

If Kobe is man enough, he should say "It's my fault the Lakers are destroyed."
Innocent until proven guilty? Oh man, whatever. So you think OJ is innocent right? Probably.
"I don't think it was rape, but she apparently did"
Remember that quote? What does Kobe think rape is? "I think rape has to involve clowns!" Yea, probably.

Yes, everyone in the NBA has huge egos, but Kobe is manipulative and annoying as fuck. Whereas Shaq, he is pretty simple in his thoughts. He doesn't work around shit like annoying Kobe.

Basically Kobe's putting the blame on everyone else, but not himself. I don't know, that's not fucking manly. Maybe he should admit all the things he has done wrong. You really believe all that Kobe says? You're falling to his idiotic "oh, I did nothing wrong and people are leaving..." Coincidence?

Maybe you should see how Kobe is manipulating to believe in his point of view. That is ignorant. He didn't even go to college, and yet you people fall for his lies.

Shaq doesn't need to apoligize, it's totally Kobe's fault that the Lakers got destroyed.

i love your logic, so you're saying the lakers' demise is all kobe's fault? oh please. you should look more into it and read about shaq's involvement before you start pointing fingers.

Innocent until proven guilty? Oh man, whatever. So you think OJ is innocent right? Probably.

uh yes, innocent until proven guilty. i would love to see how you would react if someone prosecuted you just because they didn't like how you look or act. if you're telling me you don't believe in that then i don't know where to go with this. it's like talking to a brick wall.

"I don't think it was rape, but she apparently did"
Remember that quote? What does Kobe think rape is?

obviously he interpreted her consent the wrong way; i don't think he was stupid enough to deliberately rape the girl. you have a guy who loves to ball, has a wife and a kid, and lots of cash; do you think a rational person would throw all that away just because they WANTED TO RAPE someone? i think not.

"I think rape has to involve clowns!" Yea, probably.

hahahaha .... yeah, no.

but Kobe is manipulative and annoying as fuck. Whereas Shaq, he is pretty simple in his thoughts. He doesn't work around shit like annoying Kobe.

you know what that did not make sense one bit.. i only caught the kobe is manipulative and annoying as fuck part. it's cool though you're entitled to your opinion. however.. "whereas shaq, he is pretty simple in his thoughts. he doesn't work around shit like annoying kobe." -- what the fuck does that mean? explain.

Basically Kobe's putting the blame on everyone else, but not himself. I don't know, that's not fucking manly. Maybe he should admit all the things he has done wrong. You really believe all that Kobe says? You're falling to his idiotic "oh, I did nothing wrong and people are leaving..." Coincidence?

if kobe was putting the blame on everyone else and not himself why would he want to apologize? do you think he's apologizing over nothing?

Maybe you should see how Kobe is manipulating to believe in his point of view. That is ignorant. He didn't even go to college, and yet you people fall for his lies.

jesus christ that must be the stupidest thing you've said in this post. how is kobe manipulating any of us to believing in his story? he's just putting forth his side of the story JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS. look at shaq and phil, they do the same thing, do you call them manipulative? and what does college have to do with anything? so not going to college automatically makes him a liar and manipulative individual? thats like saying im not allowed to learn anything from my parents because they don't teach at school

[Andrew]

I picked up Phil Jackson's "The Last Season" today and am already a couple of chapters into it. It's quite an interesting read; it doesn't necessarily portray Kobe in the most positive way but it's not exactly a smear campaign either. Phil seems to admit fault and blame himself for the way he handled various situations. Perhaps I'll post a review and some noteworthy quotes once I'm finished so we can all discuss (I said discuss, not flame! ) it sometime.

you have shaq dissing kobe in a radio interview/mixtape whatever, and you have phil blasting kobe in his book. wow that's a really manly thing to do.

While I'm not saying that Shaq's approach is necessarily admirable or that Phil's side of the story is without a doubt the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, would you describe Sam Smith's "Jordan Rules" the same way? While it would be foolish to declare the entire book a work of fiction, is Sam Smith not taking a similar approach in an attempt to denounce a famous basketball player and "expose the truth" as it were?

I apologise for bringing up that famous former basketball player who once played for an NBA team based in Illinois, but the criticisms and the subsequent criticisms of the criticisms has been interesting. There's no question that the media is milking Kobe for all he's worth at the moment, but it's hardly unprecedented. That famous former basketball player took his share of harsh words, and the reaction was somewhat different.

While books such as the Jordan Rules have "exposed the real Michael Jordan" and considered to be completely truthful and justified (perhaps only because they present a different side of the story and differ from the traditional sporting celebrity worship), criticisms and accusations lobbed at Kobe get played down as "hating". While I empathise with Kobe fans and Lakers fans about the true hating that has gone on the last few years, I feel I must point out that it was only six years ago that "hating" was widely considered to be "telling the truth", which I find to be a frustrating double-standard.

So much Kobe criticism is defused with phrases such as "Give him a break", "Kobe is Innocent!", "Shaq and/or Phil is/are just bitter" and so on and so forth. He is given the benefit of the doubt, and rightfully so. We tend to judge celebrities by a different standard. But I think the media and the public was just as hard, if not harder on Michael Jordan and as I noted before, the reaction was quite different.

It was more of a case of "Ah, so that's how he really is!", "So much for him being a nice guy" and "Man, what an asshole!". The criticisms and accusations were more readily accepted, condemning fingers were pointed. That's not to say that Michael Jordan is perfect or has never been in the wrong. But for all the wonderful things that have been said about him, he's been held to some unfair double standards as well.

When the rape allegations arose, Kobe was given the benefit of the doubt. That's only fair. Though I can't be sure, I highly doubt he's guilty of rape. But he still received the benefit of the doubt, the cries of "Kobe's Innocent!" and the alleged victim was dubbed a golddigger. When Michael Jordan gambled in a casino with his father, an act this is completely legal (though in some people's eyes, somewhat poorly timed), there was an air of "How dare he?!?".

Criticisms of Kobe Bryant's game and in particular his scoring are usually brushed aside because "MJ was a ballhog at that age too". Jordan's fondness for scoring was never really justified in the same manner with comparisons to guys like Wilt Chamberlain and Dominique Wilkins. Reports of Kobe being a bad teammate must be false. Any accounts of Jordan's huge ego and selfishness must be true. I know not everyone holds this to be true but it's a double standard that pops up from time to time and as a longtime fan of Michael Jordan, it does irk me a little.

My point is not that Kobe should be blasted or that he's evil or anything like that, it's just interesting that he keeps getting the benefit of the doubt while similar comments about another player some ten years ago were more readily accepted as gospel. I do think that Kobe would benefit from following MJ's example in 1993 however: backing off from the media would really help. From the other discussions in the forum, I know a lot of other people feel that way and I'm far from the first person to suggest it.

Once again, I apologise for bringing up Michael Jordan in a Kobe discussion, but unfortunately I am prone to blurting these things out when I see what I perceive to be a link between the two.

On Topic Edit:

If Kobe truly intends to apologise to Shaq then all I can say is that's admirable that he'd like to make amends now that Shaq's moved on. I can't and won't find fault with that (as if it's my place to judge him in the first place). Whether Shaq will be as willing to heal the rift is yet to be seen, but Shaq is entitled to his own beliefs and feelings too, so I can't and won't fault him for his stance either.

[Bang]

Maybe you should watch Jim Rome is Burning (which I don't like much, but whatever he sometimes makes sense) or some other sports column and maybe you'll finally realize how Kobe is manipulative. If these writers get it, maybe you will. I don't know. I didn't sense any honesty in that interview.

Have you seen Phil Jackson's book? Even if it is biased, where there is smoke, there's fire. Kobe constantly has been manipulative.

You see, you are being manipulated by Kobe, because now who are going to blame? Shaq. Phil Jackson. Maybe then Kobe. You won't think Kobe has anything to do with the downfall of the Lakers. Ok, maybe you won't, but a lot of people will. Did you look at what he wants to apologize for? "I'd definitely love to sit down and talk with him. I don't know, maybe that'll happen. ... I never intended to involve him in my troubles. I'd apologize to him for that." Look at how he phrases it. He's basically saying the rift was created because Shaq wanted to be involved in his troubles? Once again: "I never intended to involve him in my troubles. I'd apologize to him for that."

Shaq was the best thing to happen to the Lakers in a lot of years. He won the 3 championships. Maybe Jordan needed Pippen. It's the same thing. Shaq wouldn't have been traded without Kobe. You should know that, I don't think it's such a shock to hear that Kobe had SOMETHING to do with the move. Kobe has a lot to do. And the results are what matters. Kobe stays, Shaq and Phil Jackson goes. Maybe it is a coincidence...but I don't think so. Especially after how ball-hogging he was in the NBA Finals.

College has a lot to do. He's dumb. There's no way around it. He doesn't have a PHD in something or anything. He's not Emeka Okafor. I know you don't learn as much in college, but still. And it's not like Kobe had As all around. Basically I was saying he shouldn't be smart enough.
I'm not saying not going to college makes him a liar.

Shaq can't manipulate anyone. He's pretty stupid. All he does is say obvious stuff. He doesn't twist around his statements. He isn't smart enough to do that.

As for Phil Jackson, maybe I'm believing him because I like him much better than Kobe. I never said Phil Jackson wasn't manipulative.


Do you think OJ is innocent? Even if there are a lot of INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE against him? Whatever, Kobe is an adulterer, that even makes him "morally inferior" to his cheating ass.

[Ataraxia]

dude why dont u admit Kobe dumped u and married Vanessa instead.....Im sorry girl but u musta been too ugly to win Kobe's heart....dont cry Im sure theirs a nice guy out there waiting to pregnate u.

Dont Worry, Be Happy !

[Jackal]

Umm stupid, Shaq and Kobe - Overrated Players

Exxxsqueeze me? Over-rated? Shaq's on the top 5 list of best centers of all time, over rated? Hardly.

Kobe's one of the first players to have reached such a level of success so early in his carreer, sure, Shaq was part of that success but you cannot deny the kid has some kickass skills. If you don't see that, you're ignorant.

Shaq can't manipulate anyone. He's pretty stupid. All he does is say obvious stuff. He doesn't twist around his statements. He isn't smart enough to do that.

What the fuck makes you think Shaq is stupid? Because he doesn't twist his words, he's stupid? Seriously, blaming Kobe for the break up of LA is silly. I did it at first but I just realized that they couldn't get along. One of the two stars had to leave, LA chose for mediocrity for the next 7-8 years instead of 2 more years of being a contender, fine, if that's what they want, fine.

Not one player is totally at fault. Am I still bitter they chose Kobe over Shaq? Hell yes. Will I hold Kobe responsible for it? At times, yes. Will I think he's satan himself? Please.

[Bang]

I never intended to attack Shaq. He is my favorite player. I'm just saying that Shaq isn't quite the brightest person. I don't think I would be going a stretch saying I'm smarter than him or Kobe. He's simple-minded and I don't think Shaq is trying to manipulate people. If you read Phil Jackson's book you'll learn that Shaq always did what he said was gonna do and took responsibility whereas Kobe says something and means something else. I know it's Phil Jackson's book and for some reason his book is so biased we shouldn't use it as a source. Sometimes in history you are forced to use biased sources.

Finally, the result was still Kobe stayed, Shaq left. The results are all that matters.

[Ataraxia]

Umm stupid, Shaq and Kobe - Overrated Players

Exxxsqueeze me? Over-rated? Shaq's on the top 5 list of best centers of all time, over rated? Hardly.

Kobe's one of the first players to have reached such a level of success so early in his carreer, sure, Shaq was part of that success but you cannot deny the kid has some kickass skills. If you don't see that, you're ignorant.

See the WINK, now look at it and THINK

[Eugene]

Those of you who've read my posts, y'all know that I don't make a habit of going through just one person's post. However...

Bangyoungh

Maybe you should watch Jim Rome is Burning (which I don't like much, but whatever he sometimes makes sense) or some other sports column and maybe you'll finally realize how Kobe is manipulative. If these writers get it, maybe you will. I don't know. I didn't sense any honesty in that interview.

Okay... so you're saying you'd trust a secondary source (the media) over a primary source (Kobe Bryant). Do you realize that these writers get paid based on how many articles they write? There is an ulterior motive for them to write negatively about Kobe.

Did you look at what he wants to apologize for? "I'd definitely love to sit down and talk with him. I don't know, maybe that'll happen. ... I never intended to involve him in my troubles. I'd apologize to him for that." Look at how he phrases it. He's basically saying the rift was created because Shaq wanted to be involved in his troubles? Once again: "I never intended to involve him in my troubles. I'd apologize to him for that."

How does Kobe's quote say that Shaq wanted to be involved in his troubles? How? How are you misinterpreting this? All it says is he wants to apologize for involving Shaq without meaning to. How is he saying that
"the rift was created because Shaq wanted to be involved in his troubles?"

Shaq was the best thing to happen to the Lakers in a lot of years. He won the 3 championships. Maybe Jordan needed Pippen. It's the same thing

.

How's that the same thing?

College has a lot to do. He's dumb. There's no way around it. He doesn't have a PHD in something or anything.

Neither does Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Lebron James, Jermaine O'neal....

But what is the point you're trying to make here?

Shaq can't manipulate anyone. He's pretty stupid. All he does is say obvious stuff. He doesn't twist around his statements. He isn't smart enough to do that.

Huh. Let's think about this. Here's what you said. Kobe is manipulative. Kobe is dumb because he hasn't been to college. Shaq isn't manipulative because he is too dumb. But here's what's weird, Shaq went to college. So wait, if Shaq went to college (and eventually got a degree), and Kobe didn't, he's obviously smarter than Kobe. So how come he's not smart enough to be manipulative while Kobe is smart enough to be manipulative?

Do you think OJ is innocent? Even if there are a lot of INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE against him? Whatever, Kobe is an adulterer, that even makes him "morally inferior" to his cheating ass.

First of all, that doesn't even make sense, what you said. And what incriminating evidence? There was no sign of violence. There was only the accuser's testimony to the police, not even in the court of law. Last time I checked, that's hardly any evidence at all.

You know, I do agree with you on one point. Kobe had something to do with the Lakers breaking up. I believe that. But he had no more to do with it than Shaq or Phil did.

You know what? I kind of wish you don't respond to this. For your sake. You just got yourself into an argument you can't win and really, it's time to stop the bleeding. So, shh....

All the best,

Eugene

[Jason Kidd.]

conclusion: kobe is arrogant bitch.

[Andre]

conclusion: kobe is arrogant bitch.

That's really inappropriate. There was a serious discussion, with people making points and supporting them. And you come out just to say that dumb phrase?? You must be 8 years old, aren't you?

[Jason Kidd.]

conclusion: kobe is arrogant bitch.

That's really inappropriate. There was a serious discussion, with people making points and supporting them. And you come out just to say that dumb phrase?? You must be 8 years old, aren't you?

Listen Einstein,it's a free country i post what i want.duh.what an idiot.
feel free to post sucka.

[Drex]

It's a free country, a public forum, but try to post interesting things instead of the first thought that crosses your mind.