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Postby Colin on Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:20 am

Usually at least 2-3 songs an album have samples. Although how much of the old song is sampled changes. There's so many I won't even get into it.
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Postby SkipToMy_Lou on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:19 pm

Whats the best play to buy non mainstream rap (50 cent, Eminem, G-Unit, Chingy) in Melbourne ?

I went to JB Hifi in the city today and was suprised that they had pretty decent CD's there at reasonable prices, I picked up Streets Disciple (with a free poster inside :P ) for only $21.99. Then I checked out HMV and they they had a poster saying that Streets Disciple won't be out till the 12th of December :shock:

What stores do you get your hip hop music from ?
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Postby PiksS on Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:16 am

damn,u all got so many Music stores....we have only 2,and they both suck
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Postby Colin on Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:57 am

I go to A&B Sound on Seymour here in Vancouver
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They've got plenty of non-mainstream stuff, they even had a Wu-Tang Killer Beez mixtape once! Although I'll go to Future Shop if it's a relatively mainstream CD since they're usually a few bucks cheaper.
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The Rock Thread

Postby Ataraxia on Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:50 pm

umm yeh
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Postby J@3 on Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:24 pm

Do you mean talent as in ability or just songwriting talent? I'll go with ability... this is current and past... this is not in order or anything.

MetallicA: I don't care what anyone says about their new stuff, but for a band to have been going as long as they have and still sell out every arena they play in takes some doing. I read a few months ago that the Black album (which is actually called "Metallica", but nevermind) still sells 1 million copies a year. When you think about the fact that alot of new bands can't even scrape together 1 million with their hyped up debut album that's impressive. Recommended songs: Too many to list, my favourite is probably Blackened

AFI: Another band who's had alot of controversy surrounding them, mainly because of their fans. Alot of them are angry that they've departed from the punk style of their earlier work to a newer more melodic style in Sing The Sorrow. The truth is, lyrically this is probably the best band in the World at the moment. With the way Davey Havok sings it's a bit hard to understand him sometimes, but if you actually look up the lyrics they're just brilliant.: This Celluloid Dream, This Time Imperfect, The Leaving Song Parts 1 and 2, The Boy Who Destroyed The World

Muse: Holy shit these guys are good :shock: Definitely underrated, but their lead singer Matt Bellamy is a musical genius. Fantastic on guitar, great singing voice and comes up with some awesome catchy songs. They're a little bit underrated on an international scale but they kick ass live and should blow up big time at some point... blow up... I thought that was a rap thing, nevermind. Recommended songs: Plug-In Baby, Hysteria

Pearl Jam: Out of them and Nirvana, I actually prefered Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder doesn't get enough credit for some of the amazing songs he came up with, and the band as a whole really don't get the respect they deserve these days. They've dropped off a bit recently, but with stuff like 10 they were, in their prime (and in my opinion), superior to Nirvana. Recommended songs: Why Go Home, Black, Alive, Jeremy

HIM: I was talking to Donatello earlier on today and he said in the US HIM are kind of categorized by teenyboppers and the like. It's pretty annoying, in part because they're not all that popular over here but in Europe they have a different image alltogether. Vile, the lead singer, probably has the biggest cult status in music at the moment (small style) and they really do have some unique sounding songs: Recommended songs: I Love You, It's All Tears, The Sacrament

Ill Nino: These guys are just cool to listen to. Not everyone gives them too much attention, but I'd rank them really high in the heavy metal/pop metal stakes at this point in time. I think once people actually start paying attention they'll realize how good they actually are, the songs are really melodic and easy to listen to while at the same time for a foreign band they have some cool thought provoking lyrics. Recommended songs: Liar, All The Right Words, Unreal, Fallen

InMe: They're from England... or Wales, or something like that. Either way, I like them... they're another band with some really melodic and catchy songs, but also great lyrics and a small but loyal fan base. I don't know if the band has the image to actually make it big internationally but they definitely have the songs for it. The lead singer has a pretty good voice aswell, but screamy though: Recommended songs: Firefly, Crushed Like Fruit.

I'm too lazy to do any more. There's obvious ones like Guns n Roses, RATM, AC/DC, Led Zep etc etc but someone else can do those.

Remeber dont post your fav bands, but the ones that got TALENT.


But if you think they've got talent you'd have to like them right? :wink:
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Postby Jowe on Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:15 pm

Nice a rock thread (Y)(Y)

This is my favourite all time band along with Nirvana.
GnR had some of the most talented musicians in a group ever. (Y)


Guns N roses - In 1987, Guns N' Roses released two of the best rock anthems ever recorded, marking the end of an era that had totally exhausted itself, consumed in a cloud of CFC's and indistinguishable power ballads. "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" substantially updated the arena rock model as defined in the 1970s, using the tighter, radio-ready metal guidelines of AC/DC and Judas Priest.

With the undeniable vocals of Axl Rose, the Guitar God Slash on leads, Duff on bass (Y) and Matt/Steve on drums. Izzy Stradlin the original rhythm guitarist who is considered by many the best R.G ever, along with Slash wrote some of the best riffs/songs ever.

Legendary Songs: Estranged, Paradise City, November Rain, Swet Child o mine.
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Postby Ataraxia on Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:22 pm

Some other bands

Hatebreed - Yes they are all abt screaming but the message they convey is very positive, of course when u listen to the sound all u hear is....ah kill kill kill....but their lyrics are very uplifting and arent creating negative vibes to suicidal teenagers.

Green Day - The best punk metal band around, they have strong moments and weak moments but they definitely have an abundance of talent.

Stone Temple Pilots - Not existing but man thier vocalist is great, only prob is that hes addiction screwed him up...but definitely they have some good shit, very talented.

Everclear - Their have similar sounding beats but I like what they sing about......

Fuel - Just like Everclear in that they have similar beats, but another amazing band.....all their songs are really well compiled shit.

Staind - They make such a big effect on ppl, well at least the stuff on Break The Cycle and before.....14 Shades Of Grey was kinda disappointing but still their one of the best bands out there.

Killswitch Engage - Also positive hardcore band, prob is their music genre doesnt get love because most bands in their genre just sing abt hate suicide and killing...these guys dont do that but none the less they get labelled.

Limp Bizkit - I dont Love them anymore....specially with their last 2 albums they put up really crappy shit.....but if u go back to the - 3 Dollar Bill, Yall - dayz they really had some funky and wackass lyrics on them.

Oasis - They are forgotten now but they were probably the biggest band out of Britain since the Beatles.....just amazing lyrics ..mostly on their "other" songs....if only Liam and Noel didnt fight they might still be here.

Chevelle - Nice stuff, one of those bands that keep getting better and better.....I like their old stuff and their new stuff because they simply know how to keep rockin.....the lyrics are very complicated and dramatic which is good to see specially with all these crappy punk and metal bands comin out.


More bands later....i gotta rest my fingers.
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Postby Jowe on Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:31 pm

How do you overated Linkin Park, but still put Limp Bizkit.. they are a joke my friend.

Time for a real rock band lesson.

Led Zeppelin -
Formed London, 1968. As gigantic a presence as their name would suggest, Led Zeppelin transcended the hard rock/heavy metal label slapped on them by some. Indeed, they epitomized the synthesis of multiple influences that characterized the best of 70s rock, while producing music that was stamped with their own dynamic identity.

They had a unique sound, they were the God fathers of Rock as we know it.
They had all the ingredients, the unique and powerful vocals of Robert Plant, the masterful guitar playing of Jimmy Page :crazyeyes: , John Bonham on th e drums, and John Paul Jones on keyboards/bass.

Most Recognised songs: Black Dog, Kashmir (the tune that was used by Puffy on the Godzilla soundtrack), Stairway to heaven , the rain song, and many more...





Black sabbath -

Black Sabbath has been so influential in the development of heavy metal rock music as to be a defining force in the style.

The group took the blues-rock sound of late '60s slowing the tempo, accentuating the bass, and emphasizing screaming guitar solos and howled vocals full of lyrics expressing mental anguish and macabre fantasies.

Tony Iommi on Guitar (he actually has no fingertips, due to a sheet metal accident which makes his guitar playing more impressive)
Ozzy Osbourne on Vocals (Y)
Bill Ward on Drums (Y)
"Geezer" Butler on bass.
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Postby Ataraxia on Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:36 pm

umm they just get too noisy with those guitars....and most of the time they sing about some pre-historic fantasy monster or demons or something like an irish drinking song from whose line is it anyway....

they are fathers of rock, but they are OVERRATED......Limp's not super but they got talent too.....they created a new genre.....Ozzy and Led Zeppelin and all those bands sound practically the same....they all have a lead somewhere in the song goin ne ne ne ne ....

I give them props for making metal popular but lyrics wise they dont talk about much besides "do we even care" topics.
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Postby Jowe on Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:57 pm

Najira wrote:umm they just get too noisy with those guitars....and most of the time they sing about some pre-historic fantasy monster or demons or something like an irish drinking song from whose line is it anyway....

they are fathers of rock, but they are OVERRATED......Limp's not super but they got talent too.....they created a new genre.....Ozzy and Led Zeppelin and all those bands sound practically the same....they all have a lead somewhere in the song goin ne ne ne ne ....

I give them props for making metal popular but lyrics wise they dont talk about much besides "do we even care" topics.


:?

You obviously have never listened to Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath..
I cringe when u say all they do is get too noisy with those guitars. Most of their songs are melodic or have crunching clear guitar riffs.

Its more surprising since you love deftones, whom never turn off distortion on their guitars.

You are misguided my friend, Limp do not have an ounce of talent besides Wes Borland.


Prehistoric monsters? wtf are you on about. Puff daddy used the riff from Kashmir for Godzilla you tool. about 30 years after the original song was written. :roll:


Whats a do we care lyrics?/


heres a site you should visit, because you obviously have no taste in music at all. You're a mainstream teenybopper.

http://www.youhavebadtaste.com/
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Postby Ataraxia on Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:07 am

oh all hail the anti-christ Ozzy Shitbourne :roll:

w/e man......just cause u dont like classic rock doesnt mean u dont have taste in music.....sheez shiznits listen to old shit and think OH I GOT TASTE U LISTEN TO NEW BANDS SO U DONT.....

screw retro rock

oh im sure Metallica wrote Change(in the house of flies) but didnt release it.....oh yes im sure all songs that come out now have been made before :roll:
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Postby John-John Joe on Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:00 am

Hi fellas, you guys definitely know your stuff. I'm a die hard Hip Hop head admittedly but love what rock/alternative/metal bands bring to the table, especially from a content point of view. Here's my paltry list, give me some feedback.

- Biohazard: anyone remember them? They are actually from Brooklyn and back in '92 their manager came to see a movie at the movie theater I was working in at the time. He gave myself and my homeboy one sampler each and I looked at him like he was nuts. Man, I popped the cassette into my walkman and I was HOOKED!

They had this song called "The Wrong Side of the Tracks" that literally gave me chills! Anyone know what's poppin' with them these days?

- Demolition Hammer: Any of y'all ever heard of these guys? They have this soing called "Aborticide" that from a lyrical stand point? I put right up there with Nas' Illmatic and Rakim's rhymes. I suppose they would be categorized as "Death Metal" which eventually gave way to alternative like 9 Inch Nails.

- Anthrax: When they did a record with Public Enemy back in 1990, I was amazed how much they had a grasp of the Hip Hop feel. Awesome band, no doubt.

- Guns' N' Roses: Plain and simple? Jamie's Got a Gun, Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine pretty much speaks for itself. Axel was a BEAST!

- Bon Jovi: Yeah, go ahead and laugh fellas but I'm dead serious. When I hear "Wanted Dead or Alive" I get fuckin' goosebumps dog, even today! "I'm a cowboy...."
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Postby Jowe on Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:51 am

I agree with you on Bon Jovi (Y). Selling 100 milllion albums is no small feat.
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Postby Donatello on Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:07 am

everyone listen to zebrahead. best band that nobody knows. very popular in japan, for some reason.

punk/rap/metal/reggae/latin
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Postby GloveGuy on Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:45 pm

I'll add in an unfairly unmentioned group --

U2.

Are people forgetting that this band is making great rock music. These guys are absolute immortals and should probably be up there with the Beatles, the Stones, and Elvis. These guys made it out of the 80s after making Joshua Tree -- often recognized as the greatest CD of the past 25 years, and came out with another masterpiece in Achtung Baby. These four men have spanned through four decades and I feel as if the younger generation of listeners isn't able to appreciate them as much as they should be appreciated.

If you look past Bono's attempt to save the world and the overplayed ITunes commericals, you will realize that this band is absolutely legendary.

Well that was my two cents. Other than that, relating to rock, I can't really say much.
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Postby Donatello on Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:47 pm

agreed on U2. while i'm not a huge fan, i definitely know that they make great quality music, and have never released any 'crap' in their 25 years.

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Postby J@3 on Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:06 pm

I'm a big U2 fan, and I actually like the song on the ITunes commercials. I think With Or Without You is one of the coolest songs ever, in that sorta way. Bono's a tool though.
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Postby Jowe on Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:14 pm

Jae™ wrote:I'm a big U2 fan, and I actually like the song on the ITunes commercials. I think With Or Without You is one of the coolest songs ever, in that sorta way. Bono's a tool though.


Yeh that song is eerie (Y). Sends shivers up my spine..

Vertigo is a pretty good song, even though the riff is stolen from the vines' song 'get free'.

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Postby Nick on Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:26 pm

Jowe wrote:Time for a real rock band lesson.

Led Zeppelin

AMEN.

I've never really got into these guys until this year. Their music appeals to me sooo much. :shock: Being in a band and all... i can really appriciate their music. They're different and original. They didn't dare to experiment. I think i could go as far as saying their the best rock band ever.

I can't believe nobody has mentoined Incubus yet. :o

Now THEY... are talented. I can't even explain. They're just awesome. I think people think they're a soft band because they released Drive and Are You In as singles. But they're not, they're energetic and pure awesome. I wish i could reccomend a few songs, but there are so many great songs that are great in different ways that i don't know which ones that i could list to generalise them.
I'll try: Pardon Me, Just a Phase, Idiot Box, Sick Sad Little World, Megalomaniac, The Warmth, Under My Umbrella, Circles.
I went to one of their concerts and the drummer did an amazing drum solo. :shock: he's my idol. Such an awesome drummer.

Another band that i love right now are Rage Against The Machine. Man, if you want a band who's lyrics have meaning, RATM are your band. All they sing (or yell/rap) about his politic stuff. I don't really listen to the lyrics though, i'm more in the love with their guitar and bass riffs. They're just awesome. Recomend some songs: Killing in the Name, Bullet in the Head, Know Your Enemy, Freedom, People Of The Sun, Bulls On Parade, Testify.
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Postby J@3 on Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:37 pm

Don't forget Guerilla Radio (Y)

Another band who's not really too meaningful, or worth legally buying is Audioslave. They are however, worth downloading some of their stuff... you know, just to see if they're any good.
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Postby AlexC on Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:32 pm

Nick wrote:
Jowe wrote:Time for a real rock band lesson.

Led Zeppelin


I can't believe nobody has mentoined Incubus yet. :o

Now THEY... are talented. I can't even explain. They're just awesome. I think people think they're a soft band because they released Drive and Are You In as singles. But they're not, they're energetic and pure awesome. I wish i could reccomend a few songs, but there are so many great songs that are great in different ways that i don't know which ones that i could list to generalise them.
I'll try: Pardon Me, Just a Phase, Idiot Box, Sick Sad Little World, Megalomaniac, The Warmth, Under My Umbrella, Circles.
I went to one of their concerts and the drummer did an amazing drum solo. :shock: he's my idol. Such an awesome drummer.


don't forget Priceless,Leech,Beware! Criminal,A Crow left of the Murder,Pistola,Smile Lines or Blood on the Ground ;)...
and yes the drummer is a genius...that solo he did on the gig I went to was definately amazing (Y)

how come noone mentioned the strokes,the hives,the white stripes or franz ferdinand? great bands (Y)
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Postby Jowe on Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:58 pm

I agree with the bands you listed Alex, except for franz ferninand..
I've got their album and the only song i like is take me out, the other songs are lame and mediocre . :?

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Postby J@3 on Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:13 am

Yeah Franz Ferdinand definitely suck mucho balls.
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Postby Ataraxia on Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:24 am

Dre Naismith wrote:- Biohazard: anyone remember them? They are actually from Brooklyn and back in '92 their manager came to see a movie at the movie theater I was working in at the time. He gave myself and my homeboy one sampler each and I looked at him like he was nuts. Man, I popped the cassette into my walkman and I was HOOKED!


Umm I just heard their track from Mothman Prophecies, very weird....they sound like Placebo without the punk.

Dre Naismith wrote:- Demolition Hammer: Any of y'all ever heard of these guys? They have this soing called "Aborticide" that from a lyrical stand point? I put right up there with Nas' Illmatic and Rakim's rhymes. I suppose they would be categorized as "Death Metal" which eventually gave way to alternative like 9 Inch Nails.


Dre Naismith wrote:- Anthrax: When they did a record with Public Enemy back in 1990, I was amazed how much they had a grasp of the Hip Hop feel. Awesome band, no doubt.


Their still around, not a big fan of theirs but I had a few songs on my comp but they got deleted....I have an album of theirs on Mp3...they aint bad but nothing amazing.

Dre Naismith wrote:- Guns' N' Roses: Plain and simple? Jamie's Got a Gun, Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine pretty much speaks for itself. Axel was a BEAST!


Their having a revival album, cant remember the name but it could be good but sometimes when old bands comeback they dont make the best of em.

Dre Naismith wrote:- Bon Jovi: Yeah, go ahead and laugh fellas but I'm dead serious. When I hear "Wanted Dead or Alive" I get fuckin' goosebumps dog, even today! "I'm a cowboy...."


Argh, few of his songs r good but dunno I think hes prolly produced one of my most hated songs, "Its My Life"....I feel like breaking the radio when I hear that.



Incubus is nice, I really prefer their older stuff.....heavy and more out there....but their a good band too althought Brandon Boyd is putting some terrible hairdos of late.


Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject:
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Time for a real rock band lesson.

Led Zeppelin

AMEN.

I've never really got into these guys until this year. Their music appeals to me sooo much. Being in a band and all... i can really appriciate their music. They're different and original. They didn't dare to experiment. I think i could go as far as saying their the best rock band ever.


Sweet, whats your role in the band....Im in a band too, the vocalist(and Im not saying that to avoid ppl askin me guitar tabs and drum kit stuff).
What genre do you play?


Hmm whats your guys view of Velvet Revolver????.....their probably one of most talked abt Bands of current although the STP vocalist(always forget his name) looks totally anorexic in the videos.
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