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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:21 am

Good read on Kwame Brown....

He can hang a suit, navigate a traffic circle, thwart the pick-and-roll with a hard show. All of which counts as progress. Yet even now, at the ripe old age of 22, some things still baffle Kwame Brown.
Take tuition. His decision to bypass college aside, Brown knows the value of a good education and wants the best for his 2-year-old daughter, Kwameeri, and 4-year-old son, Jaden.
That said, talk of the tab leaves the Washington Wizards forward shaking his head, echoing the silent lament of parents everywhere.

That much? For preschool?
"It costs so much," Brown says. "You don't even want to know what I'm paying for day care."
Brown laughs. No worries. Fact is, he can afford it. Three years after Washington made him the first prep player picked No. 1 in the NBA Draft, the Brunswick, Ga., native is emerging from his own primary education, and at less cost than once feared.




In his initial home exhibition game, Brown bounced a ball off his foot. Never dribble again, coaches told him. Brown struggled down low, manhandled by stronger, savvier opponents. He lacked conditioning, footwork. The game was too fast.
Brown's first practice. Misplayed pick-and-roll. Former coach Doug Collins halts the action. Kwame, he says, you have to make a hard show.
Great. What's a hard show?
"Kwame didn't really know the game," teammate Brendan Haywood says. "That first year, you were on your own. If you didn't know it, you weren't going to learn it."





http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/2 ... -8354r.htm

The fact that he has a child, let alone 2 kids was well kept by the organization, he didn't pull a Shawn Kemp, so basically he had a kid his first year in the league if his son is 4 years old.
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Postby 8-Hype on Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:54 am

Sorry, but I can't see through this. Where's the problem?
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:09 am

J70 wrote:Sorry, but I can't see through this. Where's the problem?


I dont think this post was intended to indicate that there was some sort of problem. But rather that Kwame is coming of age, which is great to know because he's such a good kid who went through so much criticism and bullshit. Most notably from Michael Jordan himself.

Yes sir, he's growing up.......
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:37 am

J70 wrote:Sorry, but I can't see through this. Where's the problem?

Problem with what :lol:

It's a positive story about Kwame, since most people like to hate on him.
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:41 am

fgrep15 wrote:
J70 wrote:Sorry, but I can't see through this. Where's the problem?

Problem with what :lol:

It's a positive story about Kwame, since most people like to hate on him.


Exactly, I'm really proud of the kid. It made me sad when I read that story (in ESPN magazine? Sports Illustrated?) about him actually developing bad acne because of all the duress he was under. I love his game and the way he carries himself, Kwame is on the right path fo' sho'.
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Postby Riot on Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:47 am

He needs to leave the Wizards. Seriously.

He needs to join a team like the Spurs, Wolves, Heat or something with a dominating big man who is a leader. You've seen what Eddie Griffin has done in Minnesota...what about Kwame in San Antoino just for a few years to get some experience, lessons and confidence. Maybe even become a starter in a few years but coming off the bench of a contending team with a leader like that would be perfect for Kwame to grow into the player he was suppose to be.
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:50 am

Riot wrote:He needs to leave the Wizards. Seriously.

He needs to join a team like the Spurs, Wolves, Heat or something with a dominating big man who is a leader. You've seen what Eddie Griffin has done in Minnesota...what about Kwame in San Antoino just for a few years to get some experience, lessons and confidence. Maybe even become a starter in a few years but coming off the bench of a contending team with a leader like that would be perfect for Kwame to grow into the player he was suppose to be.


:applaud: Couldn't have put it better myself, so true. So very true....
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:00 am

Riot wrote:He needs to leave the Wizards. Seriously.

He needs to join a team like the Spurs, Wolves, Heat or something with a dominating big man who is a leader. You've seen what Eddie Griffin has done in Minnesota...what about Kwame in San Antoino just for a few years to get some experience, lessons and confidence. Maybe even become a starter in a few years but coming off the bench of a contending team with a leader like that would be perfect for Kwame to grow into the player he was suppose to be.

I don't see why he needs to leave the Wizards, his unsuccesful early seasons has nothing to do with the current players he's with. These guys are actually building a bond, and Kwame is a very important part of the teams future.

The Wizards are currently #1 in the East, and mind that won't last, they've done it without Kwame and Etan so with Kwame returning and Etan later, they just will keep getting better.

Comparing him to Eddie Griffin doesn't do him justice at all, Eddie Griffin's downfall was alcohol problems, and problems with his mentality and attitude, Kwame's problems were improper coaching, and being in a situation where too much was expected of him too early. Now being with younger players and developing his game he should stay with the Wizards instead of going to the Spurs where it will be made to seem like Duncan made him what he is and overshadowing all the work he's put into it.

Kwame doesn't need anyone to boost his confidence, it's the highest it's ever been, did you read the quote about JO, he said if JO can do it, so can he, those aren't the words of someone with no confidence. Also the experience is already coming, he doesn't need a mentor to gain that, he already showed he can be a superior post player offensively and defensively last season, and will continue to build on that. He's been practicing with JO in the summer, and has gotten a lot from that. He can really be a complete type PF, offense, defense, and something people also don't know is that he's a very good passer, especially interior passer and from the high post.

Also he's going to be the starting PF for the Wizards when his healthy enough, he's been injured this season, not been in any sort of doghouse, and even if he was on the Spurs he'd start at center over Rasho, him and Duncan would form the best defensive froncourt in the league.
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Postby Riot on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:08 am

Having a guy like Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett for a young 22 year old forward certainly would help. Especially since it seems like Kwame is struggling with being consistent.

But, it's just like the NFL. Do you start your rookie QB or do you sit him and go with the vet for a season and let the rookie learn? Do you want Kwame to get experience by playing on a winning team with a leader like Duncan or playing through the bumps and bruises of an NBA season with no real mentor on the team to give him confidence when his falls through the floor.

His confidence maybe up right now, but he hasn't stepped on the floor this season yet. Once adversity hits him in the face I bet his confidence won't be as high as it is now...if he even has any left.
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:09 am

I don't know if you read the article, it is pretty long but:

Speaking of rocks: Brown carries almost 270 pounds on his 7-foot frame, much of it muscle. His shoulders evoke Gibraltar. His stamina? Think Bikini Atoll.
"I was so tired posting up," he says. "You can't believe how much work it is when you're out of shape."
Brown rubs his achy knee. As a 19-year-old rookie, the league's ferocity seared his adolescent lungs and psyche; currently, there are no surprises. He spent the summer lifting weights, honing his jump hook, working through rehab. He hopes to improve on last season's career-best averages of 10.9 points and 7.4 rebounds. He feels ready, eager, a bit chippy: In his first game back, Brown was ejected after exchanging shoves with New Jersey's Jason Collins.
"I've learned that you have to look at the person in front of you on the court and try to kill them," Brown says. "Not hurt them, but go after them. Give the extra elbow."





For the first time, Brown was allowed to make mistakes. He would give up a score, then look to the bench. Play through. The game slowed down. Brown became Washington's best post defender. He hung 25 points and nine rebounds on Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal. The two are kindred spirits.
O'Neal comes from South Carolina, turned pro out of high school, languished on Portland's bench for four seasons. Now 26, the Pacers center is a three-time All-Star. He invited Brown to train with him this summer. Take my story. Use it as testimony.
"I love Jermaine," Brown says. "If he can do it, I can do it."


Does this seem like a person without confidence to you?


His confidence maybe up right now, but he hasn't stepped on the floor this season yet. Once adversity hits him in the face I bet his confidence won't be as high as it is now...if he even has any left.

If this was 2 years ago I'd agree with you, but right now, definately not, the Wizards were unsuccesful last season, and instead of sulking or getting down he went and worked on his game.

The team signed Jamison who had a chance of being the PF which would move Kwame to center, instead of whining he went out and bulked up and right now is a legit 7'0 1/2, 270 lbs. He's not the same little boy that would cry after being screamed on, Kwame is becoming a man and maturing.
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:21 am

fgrep, the Cavs are the number one team in the East not the Wiz.
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Postby Riot on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:21 am

I want to believe you. I really do. I want to believe Kwame too.

But do you think he would come out and say "I don't think I can succeed. Nope, I don't think I can do it."?

I hope he succeeds and becomes a great player. But to me, I think the only way he will live up to his potential is if he gets some kind of mentor to teach him.

Duncan had Robinson, who does Kwame have?
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:50 am

fgrep, the Cavs are the number one team in the East not the Wiz.
http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Div.html - created: 12/8/2004 5:34:40 AM

Washington [10-5] #1 for now
Cleveland [12-6] #2 for now



Riot wrote:I want to believe you. I really do. I want to believe Kwame too.

But do you think he would come out and say "I don't think I can succeed. Nope, I don't think I can do it."?

I hope he succeeds and becomes a great player. But to me, I think the only way he will live up to his potential is if he gets some kind of mentor to teach him.

Duncan had Robinson, who does Kwame have?

Duncan was an All-Star the minute he stepped on the floor, obviously D-Rob helped him, but their was no denying he would be great even from college.

Look at someone like Brand, he had no one, he's been on young teams his whole like, he hasn't won, and none of it due to his fault, just being in a crappy organization which till this season has been on cost cutting mode, and he till now still brings 110% every game. Brand was a guy that came in ready for action though.

Look at the flip side, who did KG have? Tom Googs?

Who did JO have his first year as a Pacer? He had Rasheed and Dale Davis in Portland, but the Wizards also Oakley, Popeye Jones the previous years, and Rasheed wasn't known as the best guy at that time, and was what 24-26, even younger than Jamison is now for the Wizards.

Who did Amare have? Marion is a great player, but he's no veteran leader or mentor, it's all about the players will more than about who's there to guide him in the right steps, having a mentor always helps, but it's not a neccesity. Bo Outlaw was the closest thing, and he's a good leader, but no star player....and Marbury and Amare weren't really on good terms in their second year.

Yao has Patrick Ewing behind him and is still dissapoiting a lot of people, he even has Mutombo on the team too.

I think Kwame has his whole team, they though Jordan would help, but Jordan made it worse for him, with all these young guys, and all of them being friends, the team has a close relationshup and a trust of one another. Kwame and Haywood can make for one heck of a frontcourt, and with Etan off the bench, that's a scary group of players to face every night especially when they're on defense.
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Postby Matthew on Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:33 am

since most people like to hate on him.

I dont hate on Kwame, however I do think he has been a bust. The beauty of him being so young is he has a great chance to still develop into an all star.
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Postby Riot on Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:56 am

KG had a guy named Kevin McHale.
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:00 am

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since most people like to hate on him.

I dont hate on Kwame, however I do think he has been a bust. The beauty of him being so young is he has a great chance to still develop into an all star.

That whole year has been dissapointing, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Kwame Brown, Eddie Griffin, Diop, Rodney White, Kedrick Brown, Steven Hunter etc. All the lottery big men are picking it up with the exception of Curry at the moment, and Gasol has been a stable for the whole time.

Troy Murphy a lower big man has also been good, and the likes of Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson, Randolph and Haywood, but that was a pretty weak draft in terms of the top players till now, but they were highschool guys.

Their were the guys like Jamaal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Arenas, Okur, Hassell, Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons from 27th pick and down into the second round who are some of the better players from that year, bad scouting lol.

I think Kwame has the most chance to improve out of Curry, Chandler and him this season, and Chandler will improve but he's not going to be a dominating offensive player ever, like a 10-12 points, 9-11 rebounds, and 1.5+ blocks player.

Curry will improve, but not on the Bulls right now....
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Postby Full Surface on Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:29 am

Sadly, I think we look a lot better without Kwame on the team.
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Postby trubucksfan on Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:31 am

Yeah that was a pretty weak class up front, Kwame has been hated on so much in washington you have to think it would be nice for a change of scenery. though if they make the playoffs which they are currently on pace to do with the top seed in the east i think taht will take alot of the heat off of everyone in the organization. if they dont make it this year i cant see kwame being back, Kwame,Hughes,Haywood have been on the team for too long to just acccept not making the playoffs, you have to have turnover if things are not working out after 4 years.
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Postby Full Surface on Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:24 pm

Haywood was signed to a contract extension. We might be able to retain Hughes.
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Postby John-John Joe on Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:28 am

This just in, Kwame gets suspended.


Wizards Suspend Kwame Brown 12/09
According to sources close to the team, the Washington Wizards have suspended Kwame Brown one game for a dispute with head coach Eddie Jordan during Wednesday's home loss to the Denver Nuggets.

Brown, recently activated from the injured list and working his way back into game shape, entered the game in the second quarter and drew Jordan's ire by failing to carry out defensive assignments. Witnesses said that Brown walked away from an irate Jordan during a timeout, and then refused to rejoin the huddle despite requests from teammates and coaches. Brown remained in the lineup for several more minutes, but was left on the bench throughout the second half.

Brown, who is in the final year of his contract and could become a free agent at season's end, missed the team's first 12 games as he recovered from surgery to repair a broken bone in his right foot.
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Postby Full Surface on Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:39 am

He's not all grown up. He's still a baby. :roll:
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Postby j.23 on Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:03 am

refuze wrote:He's not all grown up. He's still a baby. :roll:


i'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you were in his shoes.

i used to call him a baby myself because he didn't develop quickly enough in the nba, (like stoudemire, james, etc.) but a lot of us are forgetting that this kid has a big life of his own outside basketball. it's good to know that he has kids, yet he doesn't pull the typical nba'er style of partying or what not.. to me, i think he has grown up
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Postby Fresh8 on Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:46 pm

About Duncan and Admiral... Robinson sorta took a backseat to Duncan so Duncan didnt need him that much...

And problem is that Haywood is playing so well that when Etan and Kwamer are in lineup... ownt that screw it all up?
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Postby fgrep15 on Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:53 pm

Kwame will replace Jared Jefferies, not Haywood, and Etan will be the backup to both of them. If will also mean Jamison will play his minutes at SF now.

The media in DC will likely jump all over the suspension thing, but good move by EJ, I remember Arenas having some tantrums last year and getting benched, and it was a good thing, so Kwame just needs to cool down, I think he's too excited to play, but he looked lost on defense out on the floor, he needs to work himself back slowly.
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Postby Fresh8 on Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:05 pm

Well.. i'm sure many here and around the world will be hoping Brown does well. I've been saying for three years, Brown will break out. I know it isnt easy but i am hoping its this year. I mean, we've already seen glimpses of it!
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