fight in the palace of auburn hills

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:06 pm

Kevin_93 wrote:I think its a mandatory thing by the league, I know neither actually got involved.

Fair enough. If it's mandatory that the coaches be suspended then I agree, no more than one game.

by **Colin** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:15 pm

50 replies in just over an hour. :shock:

I just saw the clip of the chair being thrown into the middle of the crowd. WTF!!!

by **Doug** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:28 pm

My god i can clearly say those fans in detroit who did that are fucked up in the head litterly there frigging retarded, as for ben wallace he did overreact like a little baby does when he doesnt get his own way if he could of took the foul like a big men none of this shit would happen but no he has to provoke this whole thing and start it. not that i never liked detroit pistons anyways but this right here makes it more reason for most people to hate them. And about the guy who said if it could be the raps who could play the pacers in the next game agianst the suspended pacers i bet the pacers would still win the raptors plain suck ass agian this year sure there my fav team but they just cant play good at all they always end up sucking and it's sad.

by **Matt** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:35 pm

cant wait for Dec 25th

Artest and O'Neal are some dumb mofo's for punching fans....potentially they'll get fined, supended, sued and get slapped with assault charges....hope it was worth it

by **HonorGlow** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:45 pm

hahaa we have to remember that this is NOTHING in comparison to Global Soccer(Football) competition. Global football fans are probably thinking that this looked like a Pop-Warner Dad melee. :wink:

You guys pretty much covered it all...All I can say that I can't wait to see how the Indiana fans react when Detroit rolls into town.

by **WinKy** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:05 pm

Does anyone have a video of the fight or the alteraction between ONeal and the fan that confronted Artest?

by **emadhn15** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:05 pm

WinKy wrote:Does anyone have a video of the fight or the alteraction between ONeal and the fan that confronted Artest?

Im uppin the Video.. just wait.. here's a small one while ur waiting - http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv

Im uploading the full one now..

by **kaydigi** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:10 pm

Matt wrote:cant wait for Dec 25th

Artest and O'Neal are some dumb mofo's for punching fans....potentially they'll get fined, supended, sued and get slapped with assault charges....hope it was worth it

Artest was wrong for going into the stands, that's about it. So if a fan came to you with a clenched fist what would you do? Bitch up??? It's called defending yourself. O'neal was defending his teamate. Fred Jones got punched in his head 3 times in a row, he deserves to be sued also right? :roll:

This whole situation was crazy but open your eyes man. Don't F with a New Yorker!!!!!!!!!

by **LouisvilleLip** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:18 pm

www.pacersdigest.com/pacerspistonsfight.wmv

As a pacer fan i feel sick to my stomach. If ben didnt react like an idiot over a nothing foul this would have never happened. The game was long over there was just no need for Ben to start that.

I do think that nobody has the right to throw shit at the players but its not the greatest idea to go running into the stands when your 3x the size of all the fans regardless if you get hit in the face. But your instincts tell you to react if you get hit in the face with a beer like that unfortunetly. I dont agree with what Jax and Ron did but I can see how in the moment that could easily happen.

As for the dumbass with front row seats who got in rons face after the stand's fighting deserved to get clocked. Anyone who comes on the floor lookin for a fight should get beat up its self defense.

7-2, im seeing my Pacers play amazing beating the Champions. Im feeling great about the season and then this has too happen. I feel sick....

As for suspensions, Ron and Jax deserve to get suspended just for the fact they attacked people but none of that would have happened if Ben and the fans didnt cause it. Ron and Jax shouldnt recieve anymore than 10 games imo. Ben should get the worst that any pacer recieves since the majority of it was his fault. As for coaches and bench players being suspended I say no because its a full out brawl. You have to do something or else your leaving 2 players in the stands in the masses of pistons fans. Who knows what could happen if Harrison etc didnt get up there.

I feel the worst for Freddie Jones. Hes a small guy, after the fight in the stands was nearly over he went up to get ron and the guys out and some fat 300 pounder nails Freddie from behind for no reason at all.

Just a sad day for basketball and Pacer fans because of the outcome this could have on our season since all of this should have never happened.

by **emadhn15** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:22 pm

Get the Video before the fight started till the end, but without audio http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=B8D7A0A2018FED936D2E4C81E3F4E063

by **Ataraxia** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:00 pm

this is a sad sad day for the NBA, the year before Lebron came it was getting to be known as a league for drug addicts and hoe lovers...then came Lebron and well looked to save the league...and he kinda did it...but then Artest wanted to go ghetto and started rapping and now he gets involved in a fight......hmmm not a perfect start to promote a really shit album....

the NBA is just gonna have shit load of issues after this....I mean if it was a push between Ben W and Ron it would have been ok but then the crowd n the punches...that just ruined it.

Theres gonna be alotta suspensions n money being thrown around...

Image Ruiner for the NBA, I think Artest should retire now cause I dunno even though its the fans fault.....he really isnt behaving like a pro sports player should be...I mean Rasheed Wallace "Biggest Bad Boy" was trying to break it up....

Artest Retire, NBA acquire Men In Black red blinking memory erasers n erase all memories of this incident :wink:

by **Sauru** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:04 pm

ok time for me to throw my opinion into the mix. for starts i think the fans who started this and thres punches need to be arrested. thats number 1. secondly, i think oneal deserves the worst penelty of the players. he just flat out sucker punched that fat dude. the guy was standing up after his friend and artest tangled and then got his ass flattened. i would then give jackson the second worst penelty as he really had no buisness in the stands throwing punches at fans. he clearly got 1 shot in and if his teammates did not pull him back he would have laid one hell of a beatin on that guy. everyone who entered the stands deserves to be suspended. thats just something a pro athlete should never do no matter wtf a stupud fan does. wallace deserves a pretty good suspension as he basicly started this(though it was really the fans fault wallace was at the heart of it).

this is just a few of my feelings. like andrew i got to watch this entire thing unfold and i have seen it from about a million angles 5000 times each lol. i think the white guy in the blue shirt and the black guy who hit jones both need to be put into jail. i hope they find out who threw the chair as that person also needs to be behind bars.

i also noticed that a cop was getting really close to spraying artest but didnt. gotta say that no matter how much of a ass i think artest his he didnt deserve a spray. the problem with this display is it will lead to changes to the way we watch games and these changes will only be bad for us the normal fans. its really too bad.

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:05 pm

j.23 wrote:
i thought i saw tinsley but im not too sure

Yea Tinsley was going into the stands, at first he was held back by a guy in a red shirt (coaching staff/trainer from pistons? or pacers?), but he shoved him away a couple of times and then jumped into the stands, then I can't remember what else he did.

Najira wrote:I mean Rasheed Wallace "Biggest Bad Boy" was trying to break it up....

actually... from what I saw, when sheed was in the stands, he was running around trying to get a better view of what was going on

by **LouisvilleLip** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:08 pm

That was a really stupid post. You ever think about all the shit Ron has to listen and athletes in general. Racist remarks, u name it they have said it. Ron shouldnt have gone into the stands but after seeing how bad the security was i can understand why someone might feel threatened because of the lack of security. Hell the only security i seen was the guy who blind sided Freddie Jones for no reason.

Rasheed wasnt tryn to break it up either, after watchin the video u can see he throws a towel in Rons face not oo longer after ron was sittin down calmly.

Please watch the video and consider everything before u make a dumbass comment like the one above.

EDIT: that was directed to najira.

by **Sauru** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:09 pm

edit: i dont know how i did that double post

by **LouisvilleLip** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:12 pm

As for throwing all the players who left the bench or went in the stands. When ron and jax went into the stands of 1000's of people and your the team mates of those players its kind of your obligation to get up there and get those guys out or else something really dangerous could happen. I wouldnt just stand there during a riot and watch two guys go into a mix of possibly 100's-1000's.

by **Arcane** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:14 pm

artest was trying not to be involved but because of that 1 guy he lost it because it was uncalled for and as the commentators say the players do have a right to defend themselves if someone tries something....artest didn't really get a punch or a serious enough 1 on that guy who threw the bottle at him, he was held back and people swinging at him and yeah he punched a guy in a blue shirt because he was dragging him back, plus he took about 3 punches at artest before artest took 1 swing at him. Artest did get that big detroit fan before jackson came sliiding/slipping in with that knock out punch. I did like the detroit coach chucking the shits at the bench when he threw the mic down/at the bench after trying to calm the crowd down.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:22 pm

On a sidenote, so far the only word from the NBA offices is "The NBA is withholding comment until it can review the incident." (Tim Frank, NBA.com)

by **Sauru** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:26 pm

the pacers only had to defend artest cause he was dumb enough to go into the stands. also stephan jackson was not defending artest he went into the stands and clearly went after someone else.

by **air gordon** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm

wow we got a bunch of comedians here

the pacers, who were not 100%, kicked detroit's ass in detroit. that's gotta hit hard for detroit.

wallace shoving artest, pussy move. artest shows he's the bigger man and doesn't retaliate, even after he throws the towel at him.

everyone involved needs to be held accountable

i commend the players for running into the stands to try and break up the fight, but not for hitting the fans. i could see why o'neal and jax went off, trying to defend their teammate. imagine being in a brawl like that yourself. you could just be hurt trying to get away.

sure there will lawsuits and suspensions, but you can be sure the players union will be filing grievances and take whatever else kind of measures to make sure the players aren't the ones getting screwed here

honestly, no offense to entire city of detroit, but to put it nicely they have more then their fair share of bad people. and this type of behavior was quite typical when i was living in detroit. chicago may have their drunks at wrigley field or honkeys attacking 1st base coaches at comiskey, but nothing like this incident at detroit. i'm glad i moved out of detroit.

by **cklitsie** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:15 pm

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE (even the Pistons fans on this forum, if there are any real ones) would've done the same thing in Ron Artest's situation. He wasn't looking for a fight, you can see that when he backs off when Ben Wallace wants to start one.
But when fans start to throw things from a couple of meters away, where they think they are safe... I mean I would punch the punks that threw beer and chairs and whatever too, who wouldn't? If someone starts throwing stuff at you, it's just self-defence to go and punch him.
I would say no suspension for Artest, but death penalty for all Pistons fans and players and ban them from the NBA...
...if the NBA suspends like 3 or 4 Pacers, I will be soooo mad.
ARTEST FAN 4 LIFE

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:24 pm

As Nick (limp) said, "wallace shoving artest, pussy move. artest shows he's the bigger man and doesn't retaliate, even after he throws the towel at him."

If Ron Artest gets suspended for defending himself, or any of the pacers get suspended for helping their teamate, then the NBA should have a good long hard look at themselves. This wasn't charles barkley spitting on a 10 year old girl. the fans got exactly what they deserved.

Kudos must be given to rasheed wallace though. He went into the stands trying to break it up even tho no other piston player did.

It's a pity these teams are destined to meet in the 2nd round thanks to the new playoff seedings. Anything less than a conference finals isnt justice.

This is the best rivarly since detroit/boston.

by **J@3** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:34 pm

Whoa... to everyone saying it's all Ben Wallace's fault... people have to be responsible for their own actions. The fact is, JO, Artest, Fred Jones, Indiana etc are millionaire PROFESSIONAL basketball players. It's like any sport, you go to an opposition arena expecting the worst from the fans. England played Spain in soccer recently, and everytime one of the English teams black players touched the ball the entire Spanish crowd made monkey noises and various other racial taunts. Did the English players run into the crowd and start bashing people? No. And why? Because as professional sports people they have a responsibility to set some form of example, or at least show some restraint.

Before anyone says it, soccer players also get pelted with bottles (and alot worse) when they play so the fact that the Detroit fans threw things at the players again can't be used to excuse their actions.

Ben Wallace acted like a dickhead, granted. This happens in other games too though, so you can't blame him for everything that happened. Lets face it, Ron Artest is a headcase. We all know that, we've all stated that at some point so I wasn't at all surprised to see him charging into the crowd and bashing up some guy half his height/size. As far as Jermaine O'Neal goes, I didn't see it but by the looks of things he belted someone who wasn't necessarily doing anything at the time.

If the Indiana players go into the judiciary or whatever it's called and their argument is "It's all Ben Wallace's fault" people will just laugh at them. How old are they? 12? These aren't only professional athletes with responsibilities and expectations, they're also grown adults. Everyone needs to be accountable, and if needed punished. The fans should be banned from ever attending another NBA game, the players should be suspended. Anyone who was involved that is.

But when fans start to throw things from a couple of meters away, where they think they are safe... I mean I would punch the punks that threw beer and chairs and whatever too, who wouldn't? If someone starts throwing stuff at you, it's just self-defence to go and punch him.

You would go punch them? Congratulations, one minor difference. Those are people being paid ridiculous amounts of money to represent that organisation... you're a teenage kid posting on an internet message board. And no it's not just self defence, some people have restraint/brains.

I would say no suspension for Artest, but death penalty for all Pistons fans and players and ban them from the NBA...

No suspension? So the next time an NBA player runs into the crowd and flattens a fan they should get off with a pat on the back for their "self defence"?

everyone involved needs to be held accountable

Exactly. These aren't teenage kids, these are grown men who need to be held responsible for their actions. Fans especially.

This wasn't charles barkley spitting on a 10 year old girl. the fans got exactly what they deserved.

I agree, but the fact remains that it really wasn't the right thing to do. Especially seeing asthough the NBA is so content on setting a good example (i.e not allowing fighting to be in NBA video games) this isn't going to help their cause at all. They can't treat this as some bar room brawl, unfortunately as retarded as some fans are you can't just charge into the stands and beat them up.

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:49 pm

I'm not blaming Ben Wallace, in fact, i sorta understand his emotions after matt reminded me about his passing of his brother. However, the FANS are the ones that totally fucked this situation. I dont care if they are paid a dollar or 10 million to play, they shouldnt be in a situation where they are subject to beer bottles being thrown at them. It's wrong, theres no justification for it and the fans who were punched got exactly what they deserved.

Because as professional sports people they have a responsibility to set some form of example, or at least show some restraint.

Ron did show restraint, but there is a line. I understand EXACTLY why the pacers retaliated. I would have done the exact same thing if i was in that situation.

Lets face it, Ron Artest is a headcase. We all know that, we've all stated that at some point so I wasn't at all surprised to see him charging into the crowd and bashing up some guy half his height/size. As far as Jermaine O'Neal goes, I didn't see it but by the looks of things he belted someone who wasn't necessarily doing anything at the time.

Ron showed alot of restraint with ben wallace, but like i said, the fans crossed the line. Jermaine had chairs thrown at him before that and ron artest was in another altercation on the floor with about 20 fans when jermaine came over. O'neal showed alot of guts to stand up for his teamates. They arent the villans here, the "fans" are.

I agree, but the fact remains that it really wasn't the right thing to do. Especially seeing asthough the NBA is so content on setting a good example (i.e not allowing fighting to be in NBA video games) this isn't going to help their cause at all. They can't treat this as some bar room brawl, unfortunately as retarded as some fans are you can't just charge into the stands and beat them up.

I disagree.. if a fan attacks you physically, then by all means players should be entitled to defend themselves. If some motherfucker threw a beer at me, for no reason or not, i'd start throwing punches. I dont care how big or small he is, how much i earn and how much he earns. You cant expect athletes to turn the other cheek every single time. sometimes athletes are in the wrong, but not this time. The fucking idiot piston fans have let the game down. Those cunts..

by **air gordon** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:09 pm

jae:

a person buying a ticket to a professional event is no more above the law then the professional athelete himself. i don't know what the laws are in england or spain, but in the u.s. throwing a bottle at someone is considered assault and is punishable by law. i know firsthand.

who cares how big or small the person is that's attacking you? if someone's stupid enough to throw beer at someone, they are responsible for their own actions and the repurcussions. it's obvious the fans that threw the beer/bottles/etc would never do that if they were face to face w/any of the 3 pacers that punched the fans

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