K Brown??? where is he?

by **beau_boy04** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:07 pm

Hi! did I miss something? where is Kwane Brown from the Washington Wizards. I went to the Wizards roster but didnt see his name listed. Where is he? does anybody know?

Oh my gawd what a bust he's become. Come to think of it he was drafted one Michael Jordan. Maybe he has talent but never put the hard work to progress. Take a look at lebrom james. That kid is so amazing... if he keep it up he will win the MVP award

Thanks.

by **fgrep15** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:19 pm

He's injured, and what makes him such a bust, he's a very good post defender, and averaged 11 and 7 last year. He just needs to get on the court, and show his stuff, he can be a 15 and 9 guy this season.

by **iKe7in** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:29 pm

I found him!!! Turns out he never left. But yes, so far he's been a bust, much like everyone else from the 2001 lottery draft picks, excluding Gasol, Richardson.

That draft always seemed weird, because most of the better players were taken late 1s round, or even in in the second round, like Zach Randolph, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell.

by **j.23** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:01 pm

I found him!!! Turns out he never left. But yes, so far he's been a bust, much like everyone else from the 2001 lottery draft picks, excluding Gasol, Richardson.

hey hey even though i don't like him that much, richard jefferson isn't a bust :cool:

by **SkipToMy_Lou** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:03 pm

Wish Houston had kept Jefferson instead of trading him along with Jason Collins for Eddie Griffin

by **Fresh8** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:31 pm

hey ppl... do u guys reakon Michael Jordan had an ill-effect on Kwame when they played together.

I know Jordan has been accused off being too tough on Kwame and made him feel so bad that he couldn't do anything with MJ on the court at the same time.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:09 pm

Maybe, but not intentionally. After all, Kwame's failure would in a way be Michael Jordan's failure, so I don't see how there would be motivation for him to break Kwame without rebuilding him. I was reading some excerpts from a new Jordan book at ESPN.com, and while the chapter I read was more concerned with how pig-headed and controlling MJ was supposed to have been upon his return with the Wizards, it also hinted at how soft Kwame was in his first practices.

The whole tough love approach is nothing new in sports. It's often a rite of passage for rookies and the great players have often challenged their teammates to give 100%. Consider MJ himself taking away Horace Grant's meal on a team flight ("You didn't play well enough to eat" he reportedly scolded) or Larry Bird's description of his teammates in the 1984 Finals after the Lakers ran all over them in Game 2 ("played like a bunch of women").

Maybe today's players are too pampered or perhaps it was just the wrong approach for Kwame, but it didn't seem to have the effect that it was meant to. Mind you, we're a couple of seasons removed from the "mistakes of the Jordan regime", so MJ can't keep absorbing blame for any Wizard shortcomings.

by **Fresh8** on Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:19 pm

I remeber reading, last year maybe two years ago when in a game, Kwame took a shot and missed and Jordan called a timeout to scold at him. If I were Kwame I'd be real angry but the kid was just too soft and let MJ control him. I'm not blaming Jordan and I'm not ragging Kwame's 'soft ego' but I think maybe the Wizards could have approached him better.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:36 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page...pt/nothingelse1

I really wanna get this book. But anyway, it talks about the 'deconstruction of Kwame Brown', and I found these two bits really interesting:

Jordan's infatuation with his protégé waned. He thought Brown was cocky and disrespectful sometimes, particularly when the teenager nagged him about playing a one-on-one game, hinting that doom awaited him. Finally, Jordan agreed to the game, Brown grinning on the court, convinced his youth and height would be indefensible weapons against this shorter man twice his age. Early in the game, believing he had a lunging, jabbing Jordan off balance, the kid dared to say, "You reach, I'll teach."

Jordan snapped, "You teach, and I'll knock you on your damn ass."

He proceeded to humiliate Brown, mocking him while scoring at will, declining to help him up when the teenager fell hard to the floor, winning lopsidedly and, at the end, yelling at Brown to acknowledge his superiority in front of the team: "You better call me 'Daddy,' (expletive)."

...

With the criticism mounting and his play getting worse, Brown became maddeningly frustrated, a kid convinced he was being repeatedly fouled in intrasquad scrimmages by two veterans, Christian Laettner and Jahidi White, who weren't quick enough, Brown believed, to stay with him. He would drive toward the basket and feel himself being bumped by a hard hip, sometimes losing the ball, infuriated the referees wouldn't blow a whistle. "That was a foul," he finally groaned.

Play stopped. There was an electric silence. A wide-eyed Jordan was walking toward him. "You (expletive) flaming (expletive)," Jordan exploded. "You don't get a foul call on a (expletive) little touch foul, you (expletive). You don't bring that (expletive) here. Get your (expletive) ass back on the floor and play. I don't want to hear that (expletive) out of you again. Get your ass back and play, you (expletive)."

A stupefied Brown could say nothing. He looked close to tears, thought a witness.

Meh...

by **Full Surface** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:13 am

He will win the most improved player this year.

by **j.23** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:52 am

Jordan snapped, "You teach, and I'll knock you on your damn ass."

He proceeded to humiliate Brown, mocking him while scoring at will, declining to help him up when the teenager fell hard to the floor, winning lopsidedly and, at the end, yelling at Brown to acknowledge his superiority in front of the team: "You better call me 'Daddy,' (expletive)."

good ol MJ, i always get a good kick reading that excerpt

by **Matthew** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:29 am

If Kwame couldn't handle Jordan in practice, how would he have had the mental toughness to be a superstar in the nba?

People should stop trying to make excuses for Kwame and realise (up until this point) he has been one of the biggest busts in NBA history.

by **Gripni** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:45 am

Kwame got better last year. In the later few months, after lighting up an injured C-Webb for 30 points and 19 rebounds, he was good for a consistent 15-18 points and 10-12 rebounds. The rest of his career he did nothing. But he is only 22, and MJ/Doug Collins seem to have broken him his rookie year. It depends on if he believes he is really becoming a good player and gains confidence, or the off-season took his momentum away from him. We'll see.

by **Fresh8** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:01 am

If Kwame is soft they still should have taken a different approach with him...

by **fgrep15** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:17 am

Mmmm...that was 4 years ago when he was an rookie, he's not the same player now.

by **Full Surface** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:20 am

This is the year Kwame has to put up big numbers. I can imagine somewhere around 15 points and 10 rebounds a game.

by **Matthew** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:11 am

15 and 10 arent big numbers.

by **Full Surface** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:52 am

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:15 and 10 arent big numbers.

The Wizards already have 3 starters who can are all averaging close or more than 20 points per game.

Four players who are getting 20 a night is almost unheard of.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:39 pm

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:15 and 10 arent big numbers.

Why not, Arenas and Jamison will be scoring about 20 PPG, and Hughes about 16-18 PPG, their's not enough shots for him to score more than 15 points a game.

He is the teams only real post option though, and EJ wants them to be getting him the ball this year, so when he returns Hughes will get a drop off in shots.

by **Matthew** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:59 pm

15 and 10 are not big numbers though. I used to belive in Kwame Brown also... but the fact remains he should be producing alot more than 15and 10. Don't make excuses for him.

by **Matt** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:34 pm

indeed with Browns talents 15 & 10 isn't that much. I don't see him becoming a #1 option though with Jamison, Arenas and Hughes around.

by **Fresh8** on Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:58 pm

Brown will be thrid option at best... I reakon he will make more of an impavct on the defensive end. Wouldnt be too bad seeing 13-15, 11 and 2 bpg from him

by **fgrep15** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:06 am

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:15 and 10 are not big numbers though. I used to belive in Kwame Brown also... but the fact remains he should be producing alot more than 15and 10. Don't make excuses for him.

Look at the other players on the team and then you'll know why, anyways, hate on him all you want, but the team still misses this:

by **The GOAT** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:49 am

j.23 wrote:
Jordan snapped, "You teach, and I'll knock you on your damn ass."

He proceeded to humiliate Brown, mocking him while scoring at will, declining to help him up when the teenager fell hard to the floor, winning lopsidedly and, at the end, yelling at Brown to acknowledge his superiority in front of the team: "You better call me 'Daddy,' (expletive)."

good ol MJ, i always get a good kick reading that excerpt

Amen!
Kwame Brown was a stuck-up asshole that never lived up to expectations. That's all I have to say.

by **Jackal** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:55 am

Bullshit. Sure, he's MJ, all respect and everything but humiliating the kid can't be seen as a good thing. You're either ignorant or just plain ignorant.

What kind of bullshit is that? Since when is picking on someone a good thing? (Don't anyone bring up Homer in this or I will shoot you.)

K Brown??? where is he?

K Brown??? where is he?

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