Tracking Lebron James

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Is Lebron already the best swingman in the NBA?

Poll ended at Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:10 am

Yes, and he could be the best player, period.
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No way, numbers are good but Kobe and others are still better.
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It's too early to call, but if he keeps it up, yes.
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Tracking Lebron James

Postby EGarrett on Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:10 am

I don't know if anyone has acknowledged yet that, early in the season, Lebron's numbers are better than any other swingman in the NBA.

Through 6 games, he's averaging 27.8, 8 boards, 6 assists and 2.5 steals.

He's significantly outperforming Tracy McGrady (his numbers this season and last season), Vince Carter, Paul Pierce and yes, even Kobe Bryant.

It'll be interesting to see if he keeps this up. If he does, could he already be an All-NBA First Teamer?
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:15 am

those are some scary numbers shooting about 46% ( 30% from downtown, guess he isn't a outside guy)

I guess this is the time we seperate LeBron from Carmelo whos getting 19.5pts, 7.3rebounds, 2.8ast, 2 steals

Oh did I mention LeBron's team is actually winning? (3-3 in comparison to 2-4 for the nuggets!)
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Postby j.23 on Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:41 am

his numbers are kinda similar to mike's when he was a rookie :shock:
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Postby fgrep15 on Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:49 am

Their's also that guy called Dwyane Wade who has also been tearing it up and shooting 50% + from the field.
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:00 am

fgrep15 wrote:Their's also that guy called Dwyane Wade who has also been tearing it up and shooting 50% + from the field.


lol, i was just going to say theses a guy name Shaq that makes a big difference, but I just saw Wade's career FG % and its 47% and considering it's early, Shaq has no impact on this kid who takes good shots and knocks almost 1 out of every 2 :)
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Postby EGarrett on Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:33 am

Yeah, I just noticed that Wade is averaging 25, 6 boards and 7 assists (!).

Crazy. These guys are taking over.

Except for Darko.
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Postby Jackal on Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:34 am

I don't think he's the best swing man in the league, yet. Kobe Bryant is the best swing man in the league. Followed by Tracy McGrady. LeBron is good, no doubt, but the best? Far from it. You become the best with experience, we still have to see if LeBronny can perform well under pressure, we still have to see if he's got the ability to make that game winning three pointer to put your team into the next round, until he can do alot more then he's doing at the moment, no, he's not the best.

Is he good? Hell yeah. The best? Far from it.

Edit: Can't blame Darko though, we all know he wasn't brought in to make an impact right away.
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Postby Bill Russell on Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:58 am

I 2nd Jackall... He's not the best... yet.

I think Kobe and McGrady are better, maybe Pierce and Allen too. But I think he'll get at least All-NBA 3rd team this year, and his stats are wicked, yeah (Y)
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Postby NNpF on Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:32 pm

Jackal wrote:I don't think he's the best swing man in the league, yet. Kobe Bryant is the best swing man in the league. Followed by Tracy McGrady. LeBron is good, no doubt, but the best? Far from it. You become the best with experience, we still have to see if LeBronny can perform well under pressure, we still have to see if he's got the ability to make that game winning three pointer to put your team into the next round, until he can do alot more then he's doing at the moment, no, he's not the best.

Is he good? Hell yeah. The best? Far from it.

Edit: Can't blame Darko though, we all know he wasn't brought in to make an impact right away.


Oh we've all seen he can play under pressure. The game against Indiana where he sent it into OT with that three with Ron Artest right in his face. The comeback against Phoenix.

But I see what you mean though, he has to take his team to the playoffs and see if he can play under that type of pressure.
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:43 pm

Has McGrady ever seen the 2nd round??
Kobe is pretty contraversal since in all 3 championship runs the big fellow was the MVP.
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Postby Jackal on Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:59 pm

Amphatoast wrote:Kobe is pretty contraversal since in all 3 championship runs the big fellow was the MVP.


O'Neal was the MVP but that doesn't take away from Kobe's ability to play. That's just wrong.
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Postby NNpF on Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:00 pm

Amphatoast wrote:Has McGrady ever seen the 2nd round??
Kobe is pretty contraversal since in all 3 championship runs the big fellow was the MVP.


Well if you put it that way, LeBron has never even been to the playoffs.

And Ilgauskas is playing so well right now, to this point he is arguably playing the best at the center position than even Shaq and Yao.
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:48 pm

its his 2nd year, last year he was robbed of a playoff birth

O'Neal was the MVP but that doesn't take away from Kobe's ability to play. That's just wrong.

i know but i am not sure if they would of won them without shaq. But then again Kobe is on a mission to prove everyone wrong so who knows
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Postby Fresh8 on Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:06 pm

Lebron is awesome and everyone knows that when he entered the league he just didnt have a shot... but now that he is developing one it shows that he is improving so its good...

I would still say Kobe is the best swingman in the league, Bron and T-mac would be close. In a few years... even though i dont like James... I'll have to say he'll will pretty damn good.

And with Wade, cant remmeber who i read this about but some guy said Wade has always been good without the Big fella... so saying Shaq is making Wade average those numbers doesnt really do justice to his game. But it's ur opion of course!
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Postby Riot on Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:21 pm

I think Lebron is the 2nd best swingman in the game. Personally, I think McGrady is massively overrated.
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Postby Matt on Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:08 pm

Kobe is #1 atm but Lebron will be #1 in a few years, i have no doubt in my mind. His jumpshot will only continue to improve as will his overall game.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:27 pm

My thoughts are basically the same as everyone else's. Kobe is still the best swingman in the league but I think LeBron is catching up in terms of his game. However, Kobe's leadership and championship experience (Big Aristotle aside) place him at another level, but LeBron should get there in time.
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Postby Matt on Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:06 pm

yeah until LB starts hitting clutch shots like Kobe does then he'll be #2 at best
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Postby . on Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:27 pm

What the fuck Jackal, at first I thought you were Old School Fool, and I agreed with it....what the hell? That cant be right can it, but now I found it it was you. I knew something was wrong here :lol:
i know but i am not sure if they would of won them without shaq. But then again Kobe is on a mission to prove everyone wrong so who knows

There is no doubt on my mind that Shaq was the biggest puzzle during the championships run for the Lakers, but the question is would they won without Kobe? He was HUGE troughout the playoffs, specially in 2001.
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Postby VCFAN on Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:03 am

I love Dwyne Wade and think he is a far more efficient than Lebron or Melo. He also doesnt carry an ego like some big players in the league. He shoots 50% which is what a good power forward in this league often shoots. How could you not love Wade.

When Lebron entered the league he had superstar written all over him and was expected to get tons of points because his team was gonna give him the shots.
Wade already had Jones, Odom, Butler, Grant on his team to shoot the ball. Wade had to prove himself before getting the opportunity to shine.
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:18 am

K0be4mvp wrote:What the fuck Jackal, at first I thought you were Old School Fool, and I agreed with it....what the hell? That cant be right can it, but now I found it it was you. I knew something was wrong here :lol:


Hehe, why'd you think I was OSF? Am I that annoying? :P

The new color/signature/avatar seem not to be going down well. Anyways, hopefully that'll be solved soon enough.

To whoever said would Kobe be in the Finals had it not been for Shaq, would Shaq be in the Finals had it not been for Kobe? It works both ways. Sure, Shaq was more important but they complimented eachother. Don't forget that much.
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Postby Sauru on Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:29 am

i got 3 things to add here.

1. lebron is not the best yet but has potential. hell maybe he will deserve the all nba first team spot at seasons end but i still wont call him the best til atleast mid way next season.

2. wade playing with shaq does help him but not in the way others have mentioned. right now with out odom,butler, and grant wade only really has to share shots with shaq who started the season on limited minutes. this is what is helping wades average. he is still hitting his shot, infact hitting it a bit better. thats just my opinion on it though.

3. you still cant really judge darko. if he was on another team that needed him right away he would be progressing better. i am not gonna sit here and say he would be doing great or be an all star but i will say he would be getting progressivly better, right now there is just to many good big men for detroit for him to warrent minutes.
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Postby fgrep15 on Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:45 am

2. wade playing with shaq does help him but not in the way others have mentioned. right now with out odom,butler, and grant wade only really has to share shots with shaq who started the season on limited minutes. this is what is helping wades average. he is still hitting his shot, infact hitting it a bit better. thats just my opinion on it though.

Wade will be getting a little less shots with Shaq back at full strength, but he shooting a real high percentage so 1-2 less shots won't affect him much. For anyone that followed him last year you'd know he had the streak of 50%+ shooting for a long time then got injured, so last year he was capable of shooting 48-50% from the field if he didn't keep getting injured.

Anyways, all the shooters Miami got because of Shaq is helping spread the floor for Wade who is a beast at slashing, and that's helping him a lot, and with him also improving his shot, it's just free drives to the basket for him. Go Wade!
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:18 am

Heh, the driving, slashing & improving shot remind me of another player who used to play along side Shaq. He's quite a good slasher/driver himself.
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