T-mac and KG

[Fresh8]

Who is better... and would you classify KG as a three?

I know that KG plays more PF for the T-wolves but he ahs the versitility to play 3 permanently... same goes for T-mac- he will prob play 2 this year but I see him as a SF...

So- if both are SF's who is the better individual player?

[j.23]

KG, they've pretty much put everyone on him.. wallace, o'neal, duncan, whoever.. but it doesn't matter, he still puts up those crazy stats on the board.. he'll find ways to get those 20-13-5 numbers

t-mac is good too, but he can be harassed into a terrible shooting night.. defense is not as good as he's capable of playing.

[twolvezfanfoever]

seriously,KG is better because of his all around game.And KG has the body of a 3,but the height of a 2 and 1

[Riot]

KG is underreated defensively, he never gets a case for DPOY when in reality, he should be considered and one of the top 5.

[j.23]

KG is underreated defensively, he never gets a case for DPOY when in reality, he should be considered and one of the top 5.

took the words out of my mouth, the guy can be a straight up bitch when he plays defense

[Jackal]

The following players got votes last season:

Ron Artest, Indiana
Ben Wallace, Detroit
Theo Ratliff, Portland
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah

This would be my list:

Ron Artest, Indiana
Ben Wallace, Detroit
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio (No matter how dirty he plays)

[Matthew]

seriously,KG is better because of his all around game.And KG has the body of a 3,but the height of a 2 and 1

lol, the height of a shooting and point guard?

[NNpF]

The following players got votes last season:

Ron Artest, Indiana
Ben Wallace, Detroit
Theo Ratliff, Portland
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah

This would be my list:

Ron Artest, Indiana
Ben Wallace, Detroit
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio (No matter how dirty he plays)

How can you not have Kirilenko on there? But ya, Ratliff is only on there because he is such a great blocker.

seriously,KG is better because of his all around game.And KG has the body of a 3,but the height of a 2 and 1

I think you mean a 4 and a 5...

[Wormy10]

I agree with KG, for the same exact reasons as everyone else on here

[Jackal]

How can you not have Kirilenko on there? But ya, Ratliff is only on there because he is such a great blocker.

When I think of good defense, I think of annoying person on defense. Andrei is good, but he's nowhere as annoying as Bowen is.

[NNpF]

How can you not have Kirilenko on there? But ya, Ratliff is only on there because he is such a great blocker.

When I think of good defense, I think of annoying person on defense. Andrei is good, but he's nowhere as annoying as Bowen is.

Anyone can be annoying on defense, the question is can they actually shut down their man. I'm not saying Bowen is bad, Bowen certainly deserves a spot. But Duncan?

Seeing as we are on the topic of KG Kirilenko shut down KG in two games the T'wolves played the Jazz, I mean literally shut down. Duncan got outscored and outrebounded by Garnett in all the games the T'Wolves played the Spurs. I know Duncan is a good defender but Kirilenko should be after Bown for the 4th spot.

1) Artest
2) Wallace
3) Bowen
4) Kirilenko
5) Garnett

[J@3]

seriously,KG is better because of his all around game.And KG has the body of a 3,but the height of a 2 and 1

lol, the height of a shooting and point guard?

It's his natural position

[Riot]

Seeing as we are on the topic of KG Kirilenko shut down KG in two games the T'wolves played the Jazz, I mean literally shut down.

Are you kidding?

http://www.nba.com/games/20031103/MINUTA/boxscore.html
10 points, 6 rebounds but that is the game where KG got ejected in the 2nd quarter. That couldn't be the game you're talking about.

http://www.nba.com/games/20031114/UTAMIN/boxscore.html
23, 14 and 7 assists? I don't think that is shutting down.

http://www.nba.com/games/20040211/MINUTA/boxscore.html
17 and 12 if you call that shutting down ok.

http://www.nba.com/games/20040412/UTAMIN/boxscore.html
21 and 17...once again I fail to see you're reasoning to "shut down".

[air gordon]

But ya, Ratliff is only on there because he is such a great blocker.

in other words a game changer. definitely DOPY material imo. if you watched portland's games, especially down the stretch, you'd see how he pretty much shut down any shots coming in the paint. [/quote]

[NNpF]

Seeing as we are on the topic of KG Kirilenko shut down KG in two games the T'wolves played the Jazz, I mean literally shut down.

Are you kidding?

http://www.nba.com/games/20031103/MINUTA/boxscore.html
10 points, 6 rebounds but that is the game where KG got ejected in the 2nd quarter. That couldn't be the game you're talking about.

http://www.nba.com/games/20031114/UTAMIN/boxscore.html
23, 14 and 7 assists? I don't think that is shutting down.

http://www.nba.com/games/20040211/MINUTA/boxscore.html
17 and 12 if you call that shutting down ok.

http://www.nba.com/games/20040412/UTAMIN/boxscore.html
21 and 17...once again I fail to see you're reasoning to "shut down".

If you compare Garnett's stats against Utah to his stats against San Antonio you will obviously see the comparison to when Duncan is guarding him and to when Kirilenko is guarding him. Kirilenko no doubt in my mind is a better defender than Duncan.

in other words a game changer. definitely DOPY material imo. if you watched portland's games, especially down the stretch, you'd see how he pretty much shut down any shots coming in the paint.

I never said he was a bad defender but I think in order to win Defensive Player of the Year you have to shut people down. Ratliff doesn't do that, he blocks players coming in for lay-ups, dunks etc. But he is not a good one-on-one defender.

[Riot]

Duncan never guards KG and KG never guards Duncan. They don't want them getting into foul trouble. KG guards Rasho and Duncan guards Olowokandi.

So those stats aren't correct. They really only guard eachother near the end of the game.