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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:25 am

The Undertaker vs. Rusev Casket Match set for Greatest Royal Rumble

Following his triumphant return at WrestleMania, The Undertaker will take on Rusev in a Casket Match at the Greatest Royal Rumble event, which takes place at the King Abdullah Sports City Stadium in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on Friday, April 27, at 7 p.m. AST. The object of a Casket Match is for a WWE Superstar to trap their opponent inside the casket and close the lid.

The Greatest Royal Rumble will stream live on WWE Network on Friday, April 27, at 12 p.m. ET/9 a.m. PT, with a special, one-hour Greatest Royal Rumble Kickoff starting at 11 a.m. ET/8 a.m. PT. It will also be available on pay-per-view outside of the Middle East with regional broadcast information forthcoming.


I would assume Undertaker will go over, and that'll lead to talk of Rusev being buried (quite literally, in this case!), but it's a Network event being held overseas. Basically just a match for the international market, giving them an opportunity to see a legend in action, and have a heel be defeated in a gimmick match (though it's questionable as to whether Rusev really is a heel right now). If this were an extended program on TV or one of the regularly scheduled events, then I'd suggest it'd be problematic in terms of making Rusev look strong, but as a once off? Just fanservice for a market they don't visit all that much.

Also, guess Taker is feeling pretty healthy if he's willing to work a few more dates here and there.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:14 am

Really cool debut for the iconic duo. Haven't seen them at all on nxt for a while.

I could see Charlotte and Miz moving. I could also see the case for Bryan moving to raw as they'd want to bring one of the biggest superstars to the "A Show". Would like to see Ember Moon go to SD so she doesn't get lost on Raw like Sasha and bayley, especially if Charlotte goes back.
balor club to SD would be cool. Would be awesome if they collected all the former indie/Japan guys on SD and they all fought each other.

What's interesting with the nakamura turn is that it shows a lack of main event heels so let's see how they balance out the glut of faces they have on both rosters
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:15 am

Interesting of the WWE to squash American icon John Cena just to make look Taker look formidable for the upcoming GRR event.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:13 am

They could have another main event heel if they turned Reigns, but, well...
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:19 pm

Andrew wrote:They could have another main event heel if they turned Reigns, but, well...

The fans are already there and have been for years.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:31 pm

In an interview, HHH somewhat snarkily said of the situation "Isn't he already a heel?". Well, no. He's getting heel reactions, but angles very much position him as the protagonist in the story, which is a babyface role. He's not booked like a heel. He's not an antagonist in the stories they're trying to tell with him.

I've seen it suggested that turning him would be a waste because he'd end up being a face again. To that, I say fine, good! He wouldn't be the first wrestler they have to turn heel to ultimately turn face. They've been forcing the issue too long, and it blew up in their faces at Wrestlemania 34. The point is, they should be riding the crowd reactions, not fighting them.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:38 am

It's now going to be Undertaker vs Chris Jericho at the Greatest Royal Rumble. There are rumours that Rusev is quitting the company.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:52 am

Andrew wrote:It's now going to be Undertaker vs Chris Jericho at the Greatest Royal Rumble. There are rumours that Rusev is quitting the company.

I imagine it's very frustrating to see how over you are and never really have any direction or angle or push planned that makes any semblance of sense.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:14 pm

No doubt. He's not alone there. Ziggler has suffered from that for years.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:08 pm

Cena and Nikki reportedly break up. Didn't think that was going to last.

Random thought about WrestleMania: what was up with those shitty comupter graphics on screen? On asuka and new day entrances
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:12 pm

Well, that certainly makes last year's "Wrestlemania moment" awkward.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:02 am

So Rusev-Taker is back again for GRR.

Rusev, Jericho, now Rusev again, wtf is going on.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:49 am

They're working you, that's what's going on. They seem to be trying to swerve the internet and the dirt sheets right now.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:49 am

That's weird.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:29 pm

I'm also thinking that the Cena-Bella split is also a work.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:58 pm

I don't know about that. I suppose we can't rule it out, and with kayfabe being long dead, they do have go to some extreme lengths to get reactions sometimes. I'm taking it at face value for the moment, since there's nothing playing out on TV regarding it.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:57 am

I think it's definitely real considering Cena's view on marriage and having a family plus hes becoming a bigger movie star. He doesn't want to be tied down by anything
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:37 am

On the plus side, Dolph Ziggler now has a second chance.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:51 am

Interesting moves to raw. I dunno why, I expected bigger names to be moved over to raw like Charlotte to make it the A show but then again you have to balance the shows. I could see Finn being moved over especially with his blue gear he was wearing lol
With the US title on raw they'll have to move Seth rollins right? Maybe they bring back big cass tonight as well.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:54 am

They do usually balance it out like that when titles switch shows, which makes things kind of predictable as soon as you see the first change.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:42 am

Could also move Jeff since he isn't being a part of the woken stuff right now.

Evidently Braun's tron was new a squished more than normal last night, most likely to fit on the Smackdown angular tron.

I'd like to see AJ, Finn, & the Club all on Smackdown, Bayley, The Bar, and Almas....

...probably getting the returning Cass, and probably Titus Worldwide to balance the fashion police & friends going to Raw.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am

Jeff to SD makes sense. Especially with them wanting to push him as a single star like they did in his last run.

I don't want to see braun on SD. I don't really find him that interesting or entertaining. Although I do like his new get these hands catch phrase
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:21 am

That's true, Jeff to Smacldown would also work. Presumably he'd then retain against Jinder at The Greatest Royal Rumble.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:04 pm

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:44 am

Sanity is also called up to Smackdown, but it seems like Nikki Cross is left behind.

Meanwhile, Bruno Sammartino passed away at age 82.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:21 am

RIP Bruno. I'm glad he and the WWE were able to make amends a few years back, and that he was rightfully inducted into the Hall of Fame.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:23 am

Lean wrote:Sanity is also called up to Smackdown, but it seems like Nikki Cross is left behind.

Nooooo she was one of my favorite parts of sanity. I did like how they started putting her in storylines and matches towards the end though. That hardcore match was one of the best matches of the year. Again, with the usos and new day at the top, the bar coming in, and with the bludgeons pushed to the top for no reason, there doesn't seem to be much room for any tag action there. Gable moved to raw so is he destined for 205 live?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:05 am

Maybe a reunion with Jason Jordan, if/when they end up dropping the angle that he's Kurt Angle's son.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:46 pm

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Lean wrote:Sanity is also called up to Smackdown, but it seems like Nikki Cross is left behind.

Nooooo she was one of my favorite parts of sanity. I did like how they started putting her in storylines and matches towards the end though. That hardcore match was one of the best matches of the year. Again, with the usos and new day at the top, the bar coming in, and with the bludgeons pushed to the top for no reason, there doesn't seem to be much room for any tag action there. Gable moved to raw so is he destined for 205 live?

Looks like Gallows and Anderson were brought over to job in the division as well, which is unfortunate.

Generally, though, I think I like the roster construction a lot better after the Shake Up. Looking at each roster, there's a lot of potential for good feuds and story lines so we'll see if they're able to deliver. The RAW tag division seems sparse and bleh -- I can see AOP just steamrolling everybody to the titles. The only other real teams I see are Breezango and The Revival (and maybe Bray and Matt Hardy? and/or KO and Zayn?), so maybe they put American Alpha back together, or Ziggler and McIntyre tag or something.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:28 pm

I'm guessing WOKEN Matt Hardy and REINCARNATED Bray Wyatt will get a short reign with the tag titles, as part of their angle.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:04 am

Andrew wrote:I'm guessing WOKEN Matt Hardy and REINCARNATED Bray Wyatt will get a short reign with the tag titles, as part of their angle.

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Postby [Q] on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:15 am

Love the Joe move to SD. Now all they need is Finn and it would be a great show with all of the Japan/Indie guys
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Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 am

Seems they did a decent job with the shake-up this year.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:14 am

I wasn't too keen on Shinsuke's turn as I wanted (selfishly) for him to become a top babyface but he is just so damn good at what he does, and he's so funny I can't help but still enjoy his heel run. That new theme song is a certified banger
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:40 am

With Daniel Bryan's return, it was also necessary to balance things out in terms of top babyfaces and heels.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:14 pm

[Q] wrote:I wasn't too keen on Shinsuke's turn as I wanted (selfishly) for him to become a top babyface but he is just so damn good at what he does, and he's so funny I can't help but still enjoy his heel run. That new theme song is a certified banger

Heel Shinsuke is infinitely more interesting and compelling than anything he had done since arriving in the WWE previously. I'm enjoying it. Looking forward to an eventual ref bump, nut shot, kinshasa World Championship victory.
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Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:24 pm

So, predictions for the Greatest Royal Rumble? Is this where Reigns takes the title from Lesnar, or is he holding onto the belt until Summerslam?

I've heard that Lesnar's new contract is a very lucrative pay-per-appearance deal, so with that in mind, Reigns might be taking the title off him. Otherwise, it'll be too expensive for him to show up all that often, and it'll put the belt in an even worse holding pattern than it is right now.
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Postby JaoSming on Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:46 am

Swapping IC & US titles with Jinder and Miz
Roman Wins
Nak wins
Broken wins
BB wins
Cena Wins
Cedric Wins
Taker Wins
Then Angle & Daniel Bryan as the last two in the Rumble with DB winning


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Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:55 am

Solid picks, can't disagree.
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Postby Lean on Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:09 am

Just finished watching it in its entirety. It's like a house show held in a big venue, with pyro and live coverage from the Network.

So many botches in one WWE show, IMO. The Universal title match ended in a made-up rule.

In that 5-hour show, you only need to see Titus O'Neil's entrance in the Rumble match. That alone is worth everything.

EDIT: I don't know how it works there, but there's a big vacant space around the VIP sections and the bleachers. It was distracting when they switch to a wide angle, zoomed out shot.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:08 pm

Apparently that was something to do with the royal family, the extra space.

I thought the show was mostly pretty enjoyable, but the booking of Reigns/Lesnar...ugh. It started off like basically every other Lesnar match has for the past four years, and then that controversial finish that ignores the standard rules, the rules that were reiterated before and during the match? Weak.

Here's the problem: Reigns looks weaker and weaker with each of these losses. He's looking more and more like Lex Luger in the mid 90s, only he's actually had a couple of lacklustre title reigns whereas Lex never even had that. How many times can Roman keep coming up short and look like a top guy who deserves title shots? Why should he get the opportunities? Why should we buy the idea that he should get them, and could possibly win? In a way, it's worse than "Roman Wins LOL", because that's at least building to something and making him look strong.

I guess they want Lesnar to break CM Punk's reign, which admittedly was with the title that matters, but they'd at least be able to call it the longest major title reign in the modern era or something.
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Postby [Q] on Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:18 pm

Well, they're petty enough to stick the divas title on an undeserving Nikki to spite Punk as well, so I wouldn't put it past them.

It's funny that the normal cage match rules is that your feet have to hit the floor and Brock never hits the floor while Roman does pretty quickly so he's not laying on top of him. Even Graves knew the rule but then backtracked when he saw the replay.

Glorified house show is a great way of putting it where nothing really advanced the stories, no title changes despite them all being on the line. Ending to the Shin/AJ match was a huge letdown (but they needed to protect both)

A lot of botches but plenty of mistakes by the commentators as well. Botchamania is going to have a field day on this event alone.
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Postby Lean on Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:58 pm

My favorite ones were Cole calling Sgt. Slaughter "late, great Sgt. Slaughter," Lashley dropping Big Cass for his delayed vertical suplex spot then attempted it again and it turned into a bad-looking brain buster, and Titus O'Neil's Rumble entrance.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:09 pm

The RAW tag titles were decided though, so...yay, I guess? I do like that angle, but it gave them an easy out for a championship to change hands.

As much as I dislike today's commentary, I am kind of intrigued to know whether there's actually real heat between Graves and Saxton. It does sound like they're working themselves into a shoot whenever they go at each other on commentary, which is sort of interesting in its own way but also distracting from the in-ring product.

While I did think it was a decent show, glorified house show/live event is absolutely a fair call.
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Postby shadowgrin on Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:13 pm

Not surprised with the Greatest Botch Rumble, apparently the WWE spent the days there before the event being pampered by the royal family, it's like the massive eating during a holiday but for 2-3 days straight then getting back to work the next day.

Even Taker looks refreshed with that great vacation.

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Talk about a kayfabe shattering photo. :lol:
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Postby Lean on Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:45 am

I fear that my hairline would end up just like Taker's. :(
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Postby [Q] on Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:07 am

I saw one woman in the couple hours that I watched
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That comes with the territory, literally.
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