Game of Thrones Thread (The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers)

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Whose side are you on?

Cersei Lannister
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Daenerys Targaryen
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Re: Game of Thrones Thread (The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers)

Postby Sauru on Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:39 pm

for me its not a matter of "no one dying" as it is "people not dying in situations where they would surely die". for example tormund should be dead. he never should have made it to the season finale. bronn should be dead and jamie too. grey worm? yeah him and the rest of his army should be dead. over all much of what happened was predictable simple because we now have tv writers calling the shots and they are falling back on what has worked in the past.

still this was one of my favorite seasons and i wish it had a full 10- episodes as all these reunions deserved more scene time. i have waited for ever for the stark children to come together and it all felt rushed this season. i expect more reunions next season but with only 6 episodes and a shit ton of content to resolve i expect all the reunions to be very short scenes.
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Re: Game of Thrones Thread (The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers)

Postby jenz on Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:03 pm

I thought season 8 would have 7 episodes? Yeah, I still think season 7 is the best so far.
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Re: Game of Thrones Thread (The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers)

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:45 pm

Sauru wrote:for me its not a matter of "no one dying" as it is "people not dying in situations where they would surely die". for example tormund should be dead. he never should have made it to the season finale. bronn should be dead and jamie too. grey worm? yeah him and the rest of his army should be dead. over all much of what happened was predictable simple because we now have tv writers calling the shots and they are falling back on what has worked in the past.


That's fair. I still say that routinely offing main characters is also predictable in its own way though, and the deaths should be meaningful. To the credit of the show and the books, I think that's mostly been the case.

I would probably agree in regards to Tormund, because he's more or less served his purpose at this point. Killing him would also make it more difficult for Jon to keep unity with the free folk, which would be a good complication for the narrative to have. As far as Grey Worm is concerned though, I disagree there. They had an easy victory because of Jaime's plan with Casterly Rock. After that, they were stuck waiting for new orders and opportunity, which came when Dany roasted the Lannister army. Unlike Tormund, he wasn't put in a situation where it was highly unlikely that an important character wouldn't die.

There's still a story arc with Jaime defecting from Cersei, so I don't mind that he survived. We also got a really good fakeout there. Bronn...I'm not sure, I could go either way on that one. A big part of his character is that he's a survivor, picking his spots and getting out of scrapes. I think it's important that there's a token somewhat good/neutral character on the bad side, as it preserves the "no side is totally good or bad" aspect. I also come back to the deaths of well-established characters needing to be meaningful and handled correctly. The timing has to be right. At the end of the day, give or take a character like Tormund, I think it just comes down to timing. Perhaps it might be different if the season had the regular ten episodes.

The Season 6 finale proved that even when going beyond the books, D&D are willing to make big changes and kill off major characters. They did the same with Shireen, and Stannis for that matter, because they haven't been killed in the books yet. Book fans complained, but killing them off wasn't outside the nature of the books. I think it's just the way it worked out with Season 7, and while there may be some missed opportunities, I think Season 8 is going to change that.
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Postby Lamrock on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:41 am

Lamrock wrote:I could see the Jon Targaryan epiphany being the last scene of the season. Right after Jon beds his aunt for the first time..

I was pretty close, though I wasn't exactly going out on a limb there...

Season finale was pretty good. Really enjoyed all the character reunions, and Viserion taking down the wall was a great way to kick off the long hype cycle. Sad to think that Paul George will be getting ready for his first post-season run with the Lakers by the team next season airs.

I think it's really lazy writing to omit certain parts of conversations. Many of the show's plot twists stem from misleading narration. It's terrible storytelling. If you're going to omit half of a conversation, have it be from the POV from someone who has to leave halfway through it. Otherwise it's just confusing and annoying.

As glad as I am that Sansa didn't try to have Arya killed, it's frustrating to see how stupid Littlefinger was this season, after being arguably the show's best manipulator for so long. As much of a villain as he was, it was kind of lame to see him go down with such a two-bit plot.
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Re: Game of Thrones Thread (The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers)

Postby Andrew on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:15 pm

Apparently there are deleted scenes that fill in the gaps. Another drawback of the abbreviated season; even with longer episodes, stuff is still cut for time.

Not to say the Littlefinger plot couldn't have been done differently or better, but I think it's a tangled web situation. He's played multiple people and sides for too long, and also shown his hand to Sansa, teaching her too well. He's gotten away with a lot at this point, so he's cocky. He feels untouchable, and that's caught up to him, as has loyalty when you think about it. He taught Sansa the game, but whereas he has no loyalty except to himself, she obviously does still feel familial loyalty. He finally came up against someone who'd learned his tricks and how to employ those tricks themselves, but still had a strong sense of loyalty in a way that wasn't honour before reason. He's not used to that, and it did him in.
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Postby shadowgrin on Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:20 pm

Sauru wrote:i expect more reunions next season but with only 6 episodes and a shit ton of content to resolve i expect all the reunions to be very short scenes.

iirc the final season's episodes will be longer than an hour, similar to the just concluded season finale.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:07 pm

That's what I've heard as well.
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Postby Sauru on Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:50 pm

there was a rumor that they would be between 80 and 90 minutes in length which is really nice but they have so much to cover still. 2019 cant come soon enough
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