Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:24 am
NovU wrote:Yes, it matters in hypothetical debates.Dee4Three wrote:with less babying.
I do not welcome this kind of wild claims. Jordan was a poster boy for league's favoritism.
This is my last post for the thread, too tired too old. Wish benji was here.
Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:28 am
Dee4Three wrote:The fact that you said "What is the purpose of the skillset" is a little alarming to me.....
NovU wrote:It is to create a shot opportunity......
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zzcoolj21 wrote:Going back to the first page, did that person confuse jump shooting with 3pt shooting?
Not sure how you can call someone with a career 56.9% True Shooting percentage (especially when they aren't an athletic big that only dunks and ruins fg% stats *Cough* DeAndre) a bad shooter in any sense.
Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:56 am
air gordon wrote:
just thinking out loud- isn't korver the all time best % 3pt shooter?
are you basing your judgement of james career on this season/finals (past his prime) or just criticizing his play in these finals? the lines seemed blurred.
you were earlier comparing how mj could guard perimeter players better than james, who you said could better guard pf/c. did you forget that james in his prime was able to shut down derrick rose in his athletic prime (much to my dismay) in the playoffs? in jordan's athletic prime, it was scottie pippen, not MJ, guarding magic johnson
Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:02 am
Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:09 am
air gordon wrote:jordan could have easily pulled up on a lot of those kickouts to paxson, bj, kerr, etc, no? were those paxson jump shots in the 4th in game 6 of the finals vs lakers bad shots and jordan instead should have contorted to the basket or pull up?
i don't know what this lovers quarrel is with you, novu, and skillset. lo siento.
too bad james doesn't have a failure commerical
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zzcoolj21 wrote:If you put Jordan's mind in LeBron's body you'd get the perfect player.
Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:34 pm
Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:05 pm
Sauru wrote:i would argue that lebrons body with birds mind would be the most unstoppable player imaginable
Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:15 am
NovU wrote:LoL, skillset don't matter. Is that what my posts really implied here?
This is why I have little to no faith in the younger crowd....
suiting title to the thread indeed
NovU wrote:Why the hell is it important? What is the purpose of the skillset?
Postby zzcoolj21 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:20 pm
LeBron forgets sometimes not only is he one of the fastest players in the league, he also outweighs everyone by 30 pounds. If you gave him Jordan's post talent, mid range ability, and supreme confidence, that would be ridiculous.
Postby Sauru on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:21 pm
i honestly feel like walker would excel in todays nba. i mean he would at least be good enough to come in second place to the warriors
Postby air gordon on Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:40 pm
dee,
look above your post. it is answered.
jordan!
jordan!
jordan!
are you trying to convince a bulls fan to pick jordan or shall we do more cartwheels?
by Sauru on Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:34 am
i would argue that lebrons body with birds mind would be the most unstoppable player imaginable
Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:25 am
Dee4Three wrote:NovU wrote:Why the hell is it important? What is the purpose of the skillset?
The purpose of the skillset is that it gives players more options to attack with, just like if you have great hands and great timing, those are two skillsets.
Dee4Three wrote:For example, the purpose of having more sets of skills: Your team needs to rely on you to get baskets, and you have 7 or 8 different ways to get those baskets, instead of 2 or 3. Its the reason why you see certain players not attack, or vanish, because they can't get the job done because they don't have enough skill to rely on, especially in the big moments when defense is truly locked in. And clearly the mental aspect plays a big part.
Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:11 am
NovU wrote:Dee4Three wrote:NovU wrote:Why the hell is it important? What is the purpose of the skillset?
The purpose of the skillset is that it gives players more options to attack with, just like if you have great hands and great timing, those are two skillsets.
This all basically leads "TO CREATE A SHOT ATTEMPT". Your coherency skill seems to have a problem if you in any way thought what I said implied skillset don't matter. Player 'A' can have only 1 skill but can be much more valuable than a player 'B' with 100 mediocre skills if the team can play to strength of player 'A'. It is not the quantity of skillset but quality at the end of the day. Even with limited number of skillset, teams were able to use LBJ to generate shit load of points at exceptional points per possession rate. Your so called better players even with much better skillset, they sucked much more than LBJ big time. Many of them as you claim had more options to create shot attempts but teams couldn't even have them take more shots than LBJ with limited skillset. This is where eye test and brain fails altogether.Dee4Three wrote:For example, the purpose of having more sets of skills: Your team needs to rely on you to get baskets, and you have 7 or 8 different ways to get those baskets, instead of 2 or 3. Its the reason why you see certain players not attack, or vanish, because they can't get the job done because they don't have enough skill to rely on, especially in the big moments when defense is truly locked in. And clearly the mental aspect plays a big part.
I will give you that your criticism is valid just not to extent where you can justify your LBJ hate you've been spewing here. I'd say this really displays your lack of understanding in game of basketball. You just don't see the bigger picture.
Basketball game is played for 48 minutes. Every minute counts not only the final few minutes. It's about positioning your team in a better position to win a game. If one player can play exceptionally well through first 3 quarters, your team is in better position to win a game. It's not for some unexplainable reasons why LBJ's team won shit tons of games even to compare to other greats and constantly get to the big stage.
I will also show you how you like to throw big words around, pretending to know anything about its meaning just like Skip Clueless and his peers. Your definition of "BIG MOMENTS" means nothing in good constructive discussions because it's extremely subjective and selective to your memory and wants. It's just not a concrete and good argument. That is why your argument convinces hardly anyone. There are 12 games to be won before getting to the Finals. Each game, each series, each performance matters. Without that, there is no Finals. How many greats you listed better than LBJ couldn't step up in those moments/games/series and lost before the Finals for how many fucking seasons? LBJ has been a great playoffs performer. LBJ in fact has been a stellar 4th quarter performer. LBJ in fact has been a great elimination game performer. LBJ in fact has been a great final minutes performer. Could you explain LeBron James single-handedly beating the superior Pistons team and why that wasn't the "BIG MOMENT"? Finals is only a few games(not to discount valid LBJ criticism on that stage). Due to your narrow vision, your thinking's already done and fail to draw the big picture. All your greats failed to step up in big moments, LBJ overcame many more hence the more showings at big stage.
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Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:12 am
Sauru wrote:i would argue that lebrons body with birds mind would be the most unstoppable player imaginable