2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

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What's gonna happen?

Warriors in 4 (16-0)
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Warriors in 5
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Warriors in 6
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Warriors in 7
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Cavs in 4
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Cavs in 5
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Cavs in 6
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Cavs in 7 (3-0 lead blown this time?)
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Kyrie discusses flat earth, vaccines and frogs on the Alex Jones podcast
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Refs you suck!
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The NBA is a sad joke
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FUCK KD
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FUCK LEBRON - he's not even top 20 tbh
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FUCK THE CELTICS
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FUCK KOBE
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FUCK
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby NovU on Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:33 pm

16-0 inevitable now. :oops:

Jackal wrote:They might just finish it in four but I would like the Lakers 16-1 record to stay intact.

It's 15-1 for the Lakers as first round at the time was best out of 5. Consider Lakers' record already broken unless Cavs miraculously wins 2 straight.

Let's talk some hard fact.

2017 Warriors easily could demoralize the 2001 Lakers.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Sauru on Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:07 pm

shaq might average 50
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:12 pm

I've been reading on Facebook and some were saying that where was this Durant last year. I somewhat agree with them.
benji wrote:LeBron is such a choker. And people were talking about him as an all-time great. As having possibly surpassed Kobe. What a joke.

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Andrew wrote:He who flops and flails to the Finals and a title, flops and flails best.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:19 pm

A fair comment. He was a bit quiet down the stretch of the Warriors three straight wins in last year's Western Conference Finals. If he'd closed out just one of those games like he did Game 3, he'd have been in the NBA Finals last year.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Jeffx on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:55 pm

Stress Fracture wrote:I've been reading on Facebook and some were saying that where was this Durant last year. I somewhat agree with them.


Well, he is playing with a better supporting cast that preaches unselfishness ball.

Cavs had their chances but were undone by horrible execution down the stretch. See what happens when you go for threes instead of taking it to the basket? And I don't know what Kyrie was thinking on that fadeaway.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby I Hate Mondays on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:08 pm

Kyrie got a little bit hyped up for his own good. Amazing performance, bad finish down the stretch
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:04 am

Jeffx wrote:
Cavs had their chances but were undone by horrible execution down the stretch. See what happens when you go for threes instead of taking it to the basket? And I don't know what Kyrie was thinking on that fadeaway.


Lebron was back to his old self, giving up the ball in clutch moments.

Can't blame people on why he isn't the GOAT.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:32 am

LeBron was being guarded by Curry for a good chunk of the second half, couldn't get anything going. Any other star his size goes into the high post, low post, or ISO's on a player that much smaller (in fact, not just any other star, any other player, Kelly Oubre went 7-7 on Thomas in the Celtics series because of his size advantage). LeBron dwarfs Curry. LeBron takes a couple fadeaways, misses them (Because he's a sometimes shooter, and he can't rely on his jumper), LeBron gets right in the middle of the lane several times, and kicks it out to contested shooters instead of finishing at the rim. Draymond Green had 5 fouls with 10 minutes to go in the game, and continuously LeBron wouldn't go up when he was around, he would kick (not the Draymond type of kick, either). That is not smart basketball.

If it's not free throws or bully ball, or a combination of both, LeBron doesn't have consistency.

I said before this series to a bunch of people I work with, Kyrie is what makes this team go in the big moments. I said he would have to average 35+ a game in order to give Cleveland a chance, because he is the best one on one player they have. And, Kyrie did give them a chance (Including 16 in the 3rd quarter, LeBron had 12 on 4-12 shooting the entire second half).

I hope the Warriors just get this series over with in 4, and I hope it's a blowout.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Sauru on Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:49 am

the only realistic chance Cleveland had at winning this series was through injuries on the warriors team. otherwise the best they could hope for was winning a single game. i am just waiting for next off season to see where lebron runs off to next
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Axel on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:00 am

Sauru wrote:the only realistic chance Cleveland had at winning this series was through injuries on the warriors team. otherwise the best they could hope for was winning a single game. i am just waiting for next off season to see where lebron runs off to next


The Warriors could lose an MVP player and still win the series. Cleveland couldn't win at home with Kyrie and LeBron having monster games. Game 4 will be a 20+ point blow out by halftime.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Jackal on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:30 am

It's odd the Spurs were matching up better against the Warriors till Kawhi went down.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Axel on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:54 am

Jackal wrote:It's odd the Spurs were matching up better against the Warriors till Kawhi went down.


The sample size isn't large enough to draw any conclusions.

I'm not fans of the Warriors or Cavs. Unlike the early 2000s Lakers, which I loved to hate, these guys are such pansies its not even fun rooting against them. I'm glad I didn't skip out on making myself a PB&J sandwich to watch Durant's go-ahead 3 point shot.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby [Q] on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:49 am

Sauru wrote:shaq might average 50

Warriors are soft in the middle shaq would wreck them on the boards plus dunks inside and oh man the fun he would have demolishing javale mcgee lol
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Jeffx on Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:35 am

Dee4Three wrote:LeBron was being guarded by Curry for a good chunk of the second half, couldn't get anything going. Any other star his size goes into the high post, low post, or ISO's on a player that much smaller (in fact, not just any other star, any other player, Kelly Oubre went 7-7 on Thomas in the Celtics series because of his size advantage). LeBron dwarfs Curry. LeBron takes a couple fadeaways, misses them (Because he's a sometimes shooter, and he can't rely on his jumper), LeBron gets right in the middle of the lane several times, and kicks it out to contested shooters instead of finishing at the rim. Draymond Green had 5 fouls with 10 minutes to go in the game, and continuously LeBron wouldn't go up when he was around, he would kick (not the Draymond type of kick, either). That is not smart basketball.

If it's not free throws or bully ball, or a combination of both, LeBron doesn't have consistency.

I said before this series to a bunch of people I work with, Kyrie is what makes this team go in the big moments. I said he would have to average 35+ a game in order to give Cleveland a chance, because he is the best one on one player they have. And, Kyrie did give them a chance (Including 16 in the 3rd quarter, LeBron had 12 on 4-12 shooting the entire second half).

I hope the Warriors just get this series over with in 4, and I hope it's a blowout.



Yeah, at that point late in the 4th quarter, LeBron needs to be more selfish. But he doesn't have that Jordan/ Bird/ Isiah/ Kobe take-your-heart mentality.

Still, some of his teammates have to take the blame too. Jordan's guys (Paxson, BJ, Kukoc, Kerr) hit their shots when Jordan got them open looks. LeBron & Kyrie had little help.

I was actually upset when the Knicks got rid of Shumpert. I missed his hustle & energy. But man, his game has not progressed at all. Dude has no outside shot.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:51 am

Axel wrote:
Jackal wrote:It's odd the Spurs were matching up better against the Warriors till Kawhi went down.


The sample size isn't large enough to draw any conclusions.

I'm not fans of the Warriors or Cavs.

Same but Yes but it's rather evident the cavs transition defense is their demise

Wow tough crowd on James. A bunch of open 3's the cavs missed. James made some great reads.. Esp the one Smith missed late
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Jeffx on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:32 am

air gordon wrote:
Axel wrote:
Jackal wrote:It's odd the Spurs were matching up better against the Warriors till Kawhi went down.


The sample size isn't large enough to draw any conclusions.

I'm not fans of the Warriors or Cavs.

Same but Yes but it's rather evident the cavs transition defense is their demise

Wow tough crowd on James. A bunch of open 3's the cavs missed. James made some great reads.. Esp the one Smith missed late


The hate makes no sense...weren't these cats brought here to make shots? If LeBron makes the smart basketball decision, his guys have to finish. Love missed a layup, Korver a wide-open three. What's LeBron supposed to do?
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:07 pm

The fadeaway late in the 4th is fair game for criticism. The other stuff is silly. He made 4 3pters last game and averaging a near triple double.

Too bad Lue doesn't Put him in the post more often
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:50 pm

air gordon wrote:The fadeaway late in the 4th is fair game for criticism. The other stuff is silly. He made 4 3pters last game and averaging a near triple double.

Too bad Lue doesn't Put him in the post more often


Actually, LeBron should have put himself in the post on Curry, or attacked Curry himself. The stars on teams do that when the game is on the line, do you think those shots hit by T-MAC in the last minute of the Rockets game were called by the coach? You think Reggie Millers threes back to back were called by the coach? You think Kobe and Jordan attacked when the coach told them to? Christ, Dion Waiters was calling his own number during the regular season. Your comment is only to support your argument, it has no relevance whatsoever. If LeBron at his size decided to take Curry, or go into the post on Curry, you think Lue would have said "What the hell are you doing!!!??", give me a break. All of my statements are what happened in the game, lets review.


Fact.

LeBron was being guarded by Curry for a good chunk of the second half, couldn't get anything going. Any other star his size goes into the high post, low post, or ISO's on a player that much smaller (in fact, not just any other star, any other player, Kelly Oubre went 7-7 on Thomas in the Celtics series because of his size advantage). LeBron dwarfs Curry.


Fact.

LeBron takes a couple fadeaways, misses them (Because he's a sometimes shooter, and he can't rely on his jumper)



Fact.

LeBron gets right in the middle of the lane several times, and kicks it out to contested shooters instead of finishing at the rim. Draymond Green had 5 fouls with 10 minutes to go in the game, and continuously LeBron wouldn't go up when he was around, he would kick (not the Draymond type of kick, either).



Fact

That is not smart basketball.



You are cherry picking stats again to support your argument. Here are a couple for you:


LeBron's 4th quarter in Game 1: 1-for-4, 2 points

LeBron's 4th quarter in Game 2: 1-for-1, 2 points

LeBron's 4th quarter of Game 3: 2-for-6, 7 points

LeBron's second half of Game 3: 4-for-12, 12 points


My comments are not "silly", its what actually happened in the game. When you cherry pick like you do, and show uncontrollable bias, it discredits you in a big way.

LeBron James does not have the offensive tools to do anything down the stretch in this series, furthermore, he doesn't have the mental edge either (Clearly not taking advantage of his HUGE size advantage over little Curry).

But, I suppose you will say "He's gassed by the 4th quarter" or something, because it will be an excuse, even though many stars have logged the minutes he does in big games and make better decisions in the 4th quarter. The only reason they didn't get blown out by 20 was because Kyrie went off (Like I predicted, the only way they would be able to even keep it close, the only way they could compete).
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby koberulz on Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:33 pm

Andrew wrote:
Sauru wrote:so if lebron gets swept again in the finals can we start bringing it up in the greatest of all the times?
The strength of the Warriors will probably be brought up in his defense, but it's not like he doesn't have help himself.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby NovU on Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:41 pm

LBJ has been more than holding his own against the star studded Warriors which actually to me is bit surprising. I was kinda expecting 2011 LBJ to show up for a game or 2 but in all 3 games, he's been solid.

Needless to say, he's gonna hated because he loses again in the Finals. Yep, losing in the preliminary rounds is better because it doesn't affect Finals record. Right right.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby [Q] on Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:24 pm

Jeffx wrote:
air gordon wrote:
Axel wrote:
Jackal wrote:It's odd the Spurs were matching up better against the Warriors till Kawhi went down.


The sample size isn't large enough to draw any conclusions.

I'm not fans of the Warriors or Cavs.

Same but Yes but it's rather evident the cavs transition defense is their demise

Wow tough crowd on James. A bunch of open 3's the cavs missed. James made some great reads.. Esp the one Smith missed late


The hate makes no sense...weren't these cats brought here to make shots? If LeBron makes the smart basketball decision, his guys have to finish. Love missed a layup, Korver a wide-open three. What's LeBron supposed to do?

I love it how there's a double standard when it comes to Lebron. He's unselfish involving other teammates, so he's a pussy or tired or scared, etc according to most. He takes the shot, then he's selfish and a ballhog or he sucks if he misses. He can't single-handedly beat teams in the Finals? Join other superstars and get roasted for it. Durant joins the best team ever and gets widely applauded for it. Sorry Lebron couldn't get Paul George & Kyle Lowry to sign with them after they beat them in the playoffs.

Averaging 32 points, 10.3 assists and 12.3 rebounds there's literally nothing more that he can do other than hope Anthony Davis, Harden, or Westbrook sign with Cleveland for the minimum.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby koberulz on Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:51 pm

Durant joins the best team ever and gets widely applauded for it.
I've not seen a single person applaud him, here or anywhere else. I've seen plenty of people say he's single-handedly ruined the league.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:19 pm

When you're being called the GOAT by some and one of the greatest by most, you brand yourself as "The King", and you're unquestionably a once-in-a-generation talent, the bar is going to be set extremely high. That's just the way it is. LeBron doesn't get to bask in the glory with people singing his praises and kissing his feet when he succeeds, while at the same time being shielded from all criticism when he comes up short. Of course LeBron is held to a high standard; all the greats are. As much as they're compared and contrasted with each other, they also establish the expectations for their own excellence.

There are double standards, but they also go both ways. The cries of "hater!" are really getting played out at this point. You want a double standard? How about all the talk of how LeBron "makes his teammates better" and can carry any team, but when he and his team comes up short, he suddenly "needs better teammates" and "his team's overmatched"? He can't have it both ways, especially when he has a pretty talented team around him right now. I'm not saying there aren't haters and double standards, but it definitely goes both ways, and no one is immune to criticism. If you're the leader of the team and one of the best players of all-time, you're going to be held accountable. Again, you don't get to take all the credit and avoid all the blame.

LeBron has put up some fantastic numbers in this series. He's also scored just 11 points on 36% shooting in the fourth quarter through the first three games in the series. Compare that to Kevin Durant's 31 fourth quarter points on 67% shooting. If anyone in this series has stepped up and delivered when his team has needed it, it's Durant. Given how LeBron was carving up the Warriors' defense and finishing at the rim with ease, it's fair to say that if he'd continued that barrage in the fourth, they could've put the game away. Even a couple more buckets late would've gone a long way as the Warriors made that 11-0 run.

That brings us to the passes he made. In all fairness, those weren't terrible basketball plays, as he's hitting the open men who should be able to knock down those looks. At the same time, it's LeBron-frickin'-James. When he's that deep in the paint, he's going to score or get the foul and go to the line. A lot of greats have demonstrated the knowledge of when to take over themselves, and when to defer. Being passive at the wrong time, given his ability to dominate, has been one of the knocks on LeBron at various points of his career. It hasn't really been the case since the 2011 Finals against the Mavericks, but we're kind of seeing that trait rear its head again in this series. Kevin Love absolutely stunk shooting the ball in Game 3; LeBron trying to finish at the rim when he's that deep in the paint would've been a better option. Again, it doesn't make the kickout completely illogical or a bad play - at least in theory - but it was one of those "you've gotta take that" situations. When you're "The King" and as good as LeBron James is, it's not unfair to criticise or second-guess certain plays and decisions.

Obviously, he's been playing great basketball in the series, and in Game 3 at least, things could've been different if but for the bounce of a couple of balls, or Kevin Love not stinking it up with his shooting. Still, LeBron's fourth quarter passiveness and lacklustre shooting stand out; not only compared to great crunch time performances of the past, but what Kevin Durant is doing in this very series. If people expect LeBron to do better, it's because he's getting billed as the GOAT (or one of them) and he's proven himself to be that damn good. Sure, there are the "haters". There's also valid criticism, too.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:27 pm

On the subject of Game 4...does anyone have the Warriors picking up the sweep?

Game 3 had to be heartbreaking for the Cavs and very encouraging for the Warriors, seeing as how it wasn't the latter's best performance yet they still eked it out with that final spirited run. LeBron is obviously going to come out with a head of steam though, and if players like Love are actually making their shots, it's a very winnable game for Cleveland...especially if Golden State can't curb those turnovers. Given the psychological edge and sheer amount of firepower they possess, I'm leaning towards the Warriors completing the sweep, but given another close game, I could see LeBron being more assertive in the fourth and willing the Cavs to victory with the 50+ point performance I was expecting in Game 3, when he was pushing 40 by the end of the third. I'll pick the Warriors to get the job done and make history in the process, but it's hardly a lock after such a competitive Game 3.
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Re: 2017 NBA Finals: Warriors vs. Cavs part 3

Postby Jackal on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:54 pm

I think Green and Thompson are going to be in a lot of foul trouble. Yet I hope they finish the Cavs off.
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