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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:58 am

top 3 for PG's and 4th overall for offensive rpm. that is pretty darn good.

seems like boston's had a key player injured all year. silver lining is Smart and Brown have gotten some good minutes/development. how many games have they had a full roster?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:05 am

Honestly, not sure. I just tried to find that info. Jaylen Brown has been down off and on, we had a few players out due to illness (I think Smart and Johnson), Crowder/Bradley/Horford have been out off and on. Not sure.

Smart has really taken advantage of his elevated minutes, same with Brown. Honestly, Brown did a great job stepping into the starting lineup and playing solid. His defense is already at a veteran NBA level, and he can guard 3 positions. I watch off the ball a lot, and he always seems to be doing the right thing. Offensively, minus some bonehead "Get up in the air and not know what to do" plays, he does a decent job. His shot is way better than advertised, I don't consider his jump shot a weak part of his game. It looks smooth, I like when he shoots it.

And I have really warmed up to Olynyk this year, he brings us exactly what we need coming off the bench. He can flat out score, and he's picking his spots better this year. With him and Green off the bench, we have a good scoring punch. Green's stats this year are almost identical to his rookie season with the C's, with a lower FG%. But, it's the way he is playing that is so much smarter. Which proves that sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Green is used now as a go to when he is in the game with the second unit, he's trusted. In his rookie season with the C's, he was known as a knucklehead who couldn't figure out any of the teams plays, and was sporadic. He's grown up a lot.

If any trade happens, I'd like to hold on to Gerald Green. I love what he brings to the second unit.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:30 am

Also, we were in play for Ibaka and were in discussions with the Magic. I guess they wanted Rozier, Amir Johnson and a future first round pick.

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"But the team many expected to contend with the Cavs this season, fourth-place Toronto, has traded Terrence Ross and a first-round pick to Orlando for Serge Ibaka, which addresses their greatest need. In doing so, they automatically get back in the hunt for the top spot in the East.

There was a report the Celtics shunned an Ibaka deal because they didn’t want to trade Terry Rozier. While a league source indicated that the Magic did, in fact, have internal discussions about a potential deal with Boston that would have included Rozier, multiple sources contacted on Tuesday said that Orlando’s preferred deal for Ibaka for the last several weeks has been to acquire Ross and a first-round pick.

And from the Celtics’ perspective, giving up Rozier, Amir Johnson (most likely) and one of their two upcoming picks from Brooklyn just didn’t make a lot of sense since Ibaka who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

So where does this leave the Celtics?

While they are playing great basketball right now, they could benefit from having one more rebounding/defensive frontcourt specialist to the mix.

But adding such a player likely means trading away a couple of players from the current roster, which has been successful despite an assortment of key players being out with injuries and illnesses all season."
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:37 am

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby JaoSming on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:07 am

I'd give up the pick(s) for him.....I don't know if we have enough pieces to give up to eat his salary though.

Without a 3rd team, it'd have to be Amir + AB/Zeller + Smart/Olynyk

And I'm sure a pick would be in there too.......not enough Ainge magic in this for me to go for it.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:53 pm

i personally dont give up both picks for im based simply on the fact that we still are not good enough to beat the warriors and probably not even the cavs. as happy i am to see the celtics do well i know that we cannot win the championship this season so i would hate to see us throw away a potential 10+year superstar just to come in second in the east. there is not a single player in the nba right now thats not already playing for the cavs or warriors that makes the celtics nba champs this season. so i personally want to play a longer game
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby NovU on Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:09 pm

Ibaka's been on downhill steadily for past 4 seasons. Worries are legit. Risk is great.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:14 pm

I have already expressed my opinion: Not even in the best case scenario, which would be the Cs work a way to trade for Demarcus Cousins does assure they get past the ECF.

The second worst team in the NBA has double the wins Brooklyn has. That nearly garantees the 1/2 pick. We could get Fultz, which seems is the second coming of a defensive Damian Lillard. That would allow us to pack Rozier along with others to trade for a big, and we would still hold the 2018 BKN pick to draft one.

Fultz-Smart-Brown is not a bad outside lineup for the future.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:03 am

So you don't think Paul George or Andre Drummond can push us passed Cleveland? I think it could potentially get us passed them, but I'd still be terrified of the Warriors
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:22 am

JaoSming wrote:I'd give up the pick(s) for him.....I don't know if we have enough pieces to give up to eat his salary though.

Without a 3rd team, it'd have to be Amir + AB/Zeller + Smart/Olynyk

And I'm sure a pick would be in there too.......not enough Ainge magic in this for me to go for it.


I'm not sure Drummond gets us over the hump in close games. I have an issue with his inability to be on the floor in tight games due to his FT shooting. Yes, he would have a much higher impact during regulation than Amir Johnson, and would absolutely fill the rebound void, but what happens when we need a big board or stop down the stretch?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:22 am

NovU wrote:Ibaka's been on downhill steadily for past 4 seasons. Worries are legit. Risk is great.

Yep. Block rate especially. While we applaud ujiri for cockblocking boston, makes you wonder why Orlando gave up ibaka.. Especially when u consider they traded dipo and rights to sabonis for him
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:54 pm

Dee4Three wrote:So you don't think Paul George or Andre Drummond can push us passed Cleveland? I think it could potentially get us passed them, but I'd still be terrified of the Warriors



i dont think there is anyone in the nba who brings the celtics to the next level. i want to see them go for a potential 10+ year elite level player. as well as thomas as played for us i am not sold on him as far as a deep playoff run is concerned. if durant would have signed with us i would have begged them to trade the picks and get us another player and in that case i actually would consider the celtics the favorite however KD took the easy out so now the celtics need to plan more long term imo
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:22 pm

I don't know if you guys are watching the Celtics play the Bulls right now, but that foul call on Marcus Smart might be the worst call I've ever seen.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:21 pm

that "foul" was fucking bullshit
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:07 pm

I was watching it live here in Spain. Punched the TV so hard I might have to purchase a new one. The """foul""" was called after Butler missed the shot. Why does not the NBA implement fines and techs to refs? Because this season they have been horrendous.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:52 pm

Smart pretty clearly caught Butler's elbow with his block attempt. Is the elbow a part of the ball too, now? I absolutely think fouls should be called on the "snake bite"; if you hit someone on the elbow while they're shooting, it's going to throw off the shot.

That being said, I do agree that late whistles that seem to depend on whether the shot goes in or not are a bad look for the league. On one hand, it would've looked bad if Smart got away with a snake bite on a potential gamewinning shot, and the Bulls would be rightly upset about it. At the same time, a delayed whistle also looks bad and seems like a cheap bailout, even if you could reasonably call it a foul. If you're going to call the foul - whether that call is fair, obvious, questionable, or whatever - call it right away, and don't wait for the result. You don't want to see a game decided like that.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby mp3 on Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:16 pm

It looks like Smart may of just grazed the elbow slightly with his finger but yeah that late whistle screams "bailout". Did the ref have money on the game I wonder?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

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I originally saw the replay on Instagram. Watching it again there, yeah, there's some contact but not a lot. Even if it's enough for a foul, the late whistle still looks bad. Snake bites should be foul calls, but watching it again, probably not quite enough force and contact there.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:17 am

Yeah, the whistle blew after the ball already hit the rim.

Ruined my night. So bummed.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:37 am

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I originally saw the replay on Instagram. Watching it again there, yeah, there's some contact but not a lot. Even if it's enough for a foul, the late whistle still looks bad. Snake bites should be foul calls, but watching it again, probably not quite enough force and contact there.


I have trouble seeing ANY contact to be honest with you. On that front view where you see Smart stretching as much as he possibly can to contest, I see his fingers completely stretched out and I am not convinced he's making contact. If he's touching his arm hair, it shouldn't be a foul. Not only that, calling it after the ball has already hit the rim is a HUGE no-no. I hope the ref gets reprimanded, but probably not.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:49 am

It looks like there's some contact, and Butler does short arm the shot, which a snake bite will force you to do. Still, if there's enough contact for there to be a foul, blow the whistle straight away. No disagreement there.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:51 am

And I look at this Joel Anthony double dribble, that they didn't call... so you don't see Joel Anthony with the blatant double dribble, but you see Marcus Smart clip Butlers arm hair?

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:40 am

Welcome to NBA stardom, Jimmy Buckets

His reaction of being hit on the elbow after the release sounded legit

Wouldn't want to be on the other side of that call. Good game
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:06 am

I just hope the Nets do also terribly bad in 2018 so we can draft Luka Doncic with any of the top-3 overall pick.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:40 am

i would be satisfied to say the least if the celtics could land a top 3 pick 2 years in a row
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