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Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:30 am

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I looked through the forum, and I was not able to locate a Boston Celtics thread. I live about an hour outside of Boston, and have been to close to 20 Celtics games. I've also been following the Celtics since the late 80's. I even endured the 96-97 Season where the C's only won 15 games (I watched every game that season).

The Celtics are currently 2nd in the Eastern Conference standings, and are coming off of a win against the Blazers last night. They have won 8 of the last 9 games.

My question to start off this thread, do you think the C's should make a major move before the trade deadline?. My thought is, the Celtics should get a Rim Protector, while keeping our top Brooklyn picks. If I were the C's, I would be pushing to get Serge Ibaka, while his block/rebound numbers are down, he is in his prime, and I think he would fit in well with this group. In regards to what I would move for him? Well, it would be more like what I wouldn't want to move. I would like to hang on to Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Avery Bradley, Thomas, Horford, and Rozier (Because he has shown a lot of improvement). I could part with Olynyk (Even though he shows flashes of good play), and I have no attachment to Amir Johnson.

I'm so torn on what the C's should do with the draft picks.

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:43 am

I wouldn't want to part with any of the Brooklyn picks to get the rim protector. Ibaka seems ok. I wonder if he's heading past his prime. He IMO looked slower last year then woke up against the spurs in the playoffs. Also a free agent. No doubt would be a great pickup in a series vs the cavs

You've got defensive some bulldogs there in smart, Crowder, and Avery. Esp that smart. Beast

Touch choice there. James is bound to slow down soon and if Boston stays the course they can be in position to be the top team in the east for many years
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:59 am

I think Ibaka isn't motivated by the situation in Orlando. Just my opinion, I feel like he would elevate his effort on a contender. He's only 27 years old. When I watch him, he doesn't look like hes slowed down athletically, I feel like his effort isn't max. Which, could be a character issue in itself...

Out of the players I have heard the Celtics trying for (Realistically, I'm not counting Butler/Melo etc). I like Ibaka as a fit the most. Vucevic second, but as an intimidation factor I take Ibaka over him. Also, Ibaka is averaging more PPG than Vucevic this season, and .6 more BPG, and they are playing roughly the same minutes. Vucevic is one year younger.

Also, I was not a Marcus Smart fan last year, or even to start this season. But he's grown on me a lot. He impacts the game in so many ways (Like last night vs the Blazers).
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Murat on Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:25 am

I really love to watch Isaiah Thomas highlights from instagram account of NBA. I replay them over and over. He is so entertaining. He does the clutch performances against teams in Eastern Conference, or at the nationally televised games
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:26 am

Murat wrote:I really love to watch Isaiah Thomas highlights from instagram account of NBA. I replay them over and over. He is so entertaining. He does the clutch performances against teams in Eastern Conference, or at the nationally televised games


It's amazing how he scores at the hoop so often. Sometimes 2 or 3 guys converge on him, and he finds a way to use his body to create space to get the shot off. He's awesome.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:56 am

Thomas is also leading the league in fourth quarter points. I saw a graphic during a broadcast the other day that referred to him as King in the Fourth; I'm going to assume it was an intentional Game of Thrones reference, and so I definitely approve. In any event, the guy is clutch, and has turned into a star. I also saw the other day that for his career, he's already outscored all the other final picks in the Draft (lottery era, I believe) combined, which is insane. Proof that you can't hold back talent.

Ibaka would be a great pickup for the Celtics. I guess you could question his attitude if he's slacking off a bit in Orlando, but it could be more a case of him being disheartened than flat out sulking or not trying. He's also not going to look as good when he isn't flanked by Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant, as he was in Oklahoma City. I think you can probably cut him a bit of slack there, and he'd give it his all in a better situation.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby JaoSming on Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:04 am

Dee4Three wrote:My question to start off this thread, do you think the C's should make a major move before the trade deadline?

Only for Butler or any other "superstar" scorer to help IT...except Melo, no thanks. I'd rather the C's keep the high draft pick and either trade it before/during the draft, or draft another future start to develop with Smart & Brown, and the other youngins.

Dee4Three wrote:What are your thoughts on the Boston Celtics this season?

lolNets. I'm in disbelief that the Celtics are at the top of the conference and in the running for the #1 draft pick. I don't see the team (confidently) beating the Cavs/Warriors/Spurs in a 7 game series, but I do think it'd go 7 games.

You said you wanted a rim protector, IMO we're hurting at the 3 for scoring. I think Brown will develop to a nice player, but I'd love to see a scoring forward come over to help IT....I just don't really want to give anyone up....or the picks.

TBH, at least from this year, I'd rather keep Amir than get Ibaka.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:38 pm

there is no way in hell i would trade a brooklyn pick, especially this season. at some point you have to go for a potential superstar hall of fame talent that can carry your franchise for the next 15 years. i would be so pissed if the celtics traded the pick away. there in no player in the entire nba right now that is good enough to win us the championship in the next 2 years so think long term
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:38 am

In the last bunch of games I've seen from the C's, Smart has been terrific on the defensive end. I wonder how many steals/game he averages.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:41 pm

Fab Melo passed away at age 26. He died in his sleep...

Ugh.

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Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:06 pm

Far too young. RIP.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:10 am

JaoSming wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:My question to start off this thread, do you think the C's should make a major move before the trade deadline?

Only for Butler or any other "superstar" scorer to help IT...except Melo, no thanks. I'd rather the C's keep the high draft pick and either trade it before/during the draft, or draft another future start to develop with Smart & Brown, and the other youngins.

Dee4Three wrote:What are your thoughts on the Boston Celtics this season?

lolNets. I'm in disbelief that the Celtics are at the top of the conference and in the running for the #1 draft pick. I don't see the team (confidently) beating the Cavs/Warriors/Spurs in a 7 game series, but I do think it'd go 7 games.

You said you wanted a rim protector, IMO we're hurting at the 3 for scoring. I think Brown will develop to a nice player, but I'd love to see a scoring forward come over to help IT....I just don't really want to give anyone up....or the picks.

TBH, at least from this year, I'd rather keep Amir than get Ibaka.


I know, it's hard not to say "lets keep what we have" when we have won 9 out of our last 10, and are playing well on the road. I think we are seeing that Avery Bradley could be parted with, and I think we could get something really solid in return. This entire stretch has been without him. Yes, I know that there are a lot of AB fans out there, but I've said it for a couple years, I don't think Avery Bradley puts us over the top. My biggest problem with AB is his lack of getting others involved on the offensive end, and the ball kind of sticking to him. His highest APG are just over 2, and he handles the ball quite a bit. When hes out, I feel like we are moving the ball better as a unit. I know that he brings a lot to the defensive end, but I don't think that puts him over the top as a keeper on this team. My thought is: Most every team in the league values AB, we could absolutely get something quality in return.

I may get a "REALLY???!" from a few people about that, but my view on how they play with him and without him is that the Avery Bradley era can come to an end and we don't take a hit in the win column.

As far as Ibaka goes, I think he offers a lot more than Amir Johnson. I like Ibaka's offensive game better (Any shot Amir shoots, he needs like 4 seconds for his wind up and needs to be completely wide open. He also doesn't have as good hands as Ibaka, and he is not the rim protector Ibaka is.

I do want to point out, I LOVE the way Smart/Green/Olynyk have been playing, they have been so solid as of late.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:11 am

big-shot-ROB wrote:In the last bunch of games I've seen from the C's, Smart has been terrific on the defensive end. I wonder how many steals/game he averages.


1.6 SPG.

He has made so many game changing plays lately, and his passing has improved a lot over last year.
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Postby JaoSming on Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:42 am

What do you think is a "quality return" for AB? I may be overvaluing him, but I cannot think of any realistic trade I like for him.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:09 am

JaoSming wrote:What do you think is a "quality return" for AB? I may be overvaluing him, but I cannot think of any realistic trade I like for him.


Well, Serge Ibaka is off the table now. Just was traded to the Raptors.

"The Toronto Raptors have reportedly acquired Serge Ibaka from the Orlando Magic in exchange for Terrance Ross and a 2017 1st round pick. Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical was first to report the deal:"

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/14/report-serge-ibaka-toronto-raptors-trade-orlando-magic-terrence-ross/?rss=true

In regards to what I would take back for AB... I would have taken Ibaka for AB and Amir honestly, because of the teams current need and because Ibaka is in his prime.

Outside of Ibaka, it's tough. Because while I know AB is valued, I don't know HOW valued he is on a team in the middle/low end of the pack in the standings. Does AB and Amir with a late first round draft pick sign a guy like Whiteside? IDK, probably not, do the Celtics try for another play maker at the guard/forward spot to move AB? IDK. You make a valid point about who we can get in return that gives us more value. Because honestly, there are not a lot of players in the NBA at the moment that shout quality or potential in my opinion (Outside of the obvious top players).

I'm just trying to think of a move that would make sense for the C's. Yes we could stay with what we have, we are winning a lot of games. But I think if a move that presents itself makes sense (for say, AB/Amir), I would pull the trigger.

I mean, does Vucevic make sense?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:57 am

what do the celts do with IT on defense when in the playoffs against the stronger teams?? they going to hide him on on Carroll against the Raptors? or how about the Cavs? JR Smith when he's healthy?

IMO you're going to need bradley for those teams otherwise a lot of pressure will be on the rest of the defense because IT can't defend.
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:02 am

air gordon wrote:what do the celts do with IT on defense when in the playoffs against the stronger teams?? they going to hide him on on Carroll against the Raptors? or how about the Cavs? JR Smith when he's healthy?

IMO you're going to need bradley for those teams otherwise a lot of pressure will be on the rest of the defense because IT can't defend.


I don't see him as that big of a liability I guess. I guess you have a point, where the better teams may try to exploit him more. But Thomas will be on the floor for BIG MINUTES anyway in the playoffs, he will be out there know matter what. With Crowder and Smart at the 2 and 3, and with a rim protector (which I was hoping was going to be Ibaka) alongside Horford, I think we would be fine.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:15 am

there's no doubt IT will be playing big minutes and putting up big numbers on offense

its just something to consider... as well as per 82games.com the most successful lineups (and have the most minutes stephens has given) the celts have this year include bradley

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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:18 am

air gordon wrote:there's no doubt IT will be playing big minutes and putting up big numbers on offense

its just something to consider... as well as per 82games.com the most successful lineups (and have the most minutes stephens has given) the celts have this year include bradley

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Makes sense. And I am not saying they are not good with him on the floor. I am saying we don't necessarily need him. Like I said, the W column I think will stay the same, my idea was to use him as a trade chip to feed into a bigger need the team has.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:46 am

point taken. maybe someone like Taj Gibson could be had. probably would just have to give up a late 1st pick. Im sure the interest will be higher from all the NBA teams if the brooklyn pick is included. just saying ;)
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Postby JaoSming on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:20 am

I've just been buying into too much hype with possible "blow it up" trades for the Bulls or Pacers. Celtics getting Butler or PG13 for both Brooklyn picks, Amir, & Jerebko or another 5mill piece.



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Postby NovU on Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:49 pm

I knew Isaiah was gonna become huge given the chance. No wonder Kings and Suns suck today while Celtics are enjoying a serious run.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:10 pm

I'm frustrated that we didn't make a move for Ibaka, look at all the props the Raptors are getting for that move, especially with the perfect time of it (Love going down). Maybe they did and I just don't know it, but I know we could have put a better package together for them. We let the Raptors get better with that move.

Also, I feel you JaoSming, so many possibilities have been going through my head. I can imagine Danny Ainge is just making sure it's 100% right before he does something, considering how solid we have been with what we have. It will certainly be interesting to see what we come up with.

And yeah Thomas is crazy. Huge surprise to me. When we got him, I was excited, but I had no idea he would turn into this.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:09 am

IT has been awesome. one of the local beat guys is saying this single season is the best ever from a scoring output for the celtics (pre bird).

and just to add regarding IT's defense. he ranks last amongst PGs in Nba defensive real plus minus

still some time for boston to make a move.
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:52 am

air gordon wrote:IT has been awesome. one of the local beat guys is saying this single season is the best ever from a scoring output for the celtics (pre bird).

and just to add regarding IT's defense. he ranks last amongst PGs in Nba defensive real plus minus

still some time for boston to make a move.


I didn't know that stat about Thomas. I think it's because when I watch the C's play this year it doesn't seem like he's being exploited. Also, I think he makes up for his shortcomings on defense with his offensive repertoire, so maybe I'm blinded by that.

In regards to Ibaka, I guess Bradley's injury is worse than previously reported. I remember when he first went down, they said he would be out for a few games, but it's been over a month now. I think we didn't make that move for Ibaka because it's known that Bradley's injury Is worse than previously reported. Just my opinion.

Plenty of time to make a move or two still.
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