NLSC Live '16 (Fantasy Basketball)

[[Q]]

I cut it from 15 to 13 this year. We are currently stuck at 18 teams with 2 still waiting to renew (dei & homicide) which would make 20. Unless if anyone else wants to join... pm me with your email if you want in.

[Nick]

Not deep enough!! Where are the UTL's on the rosters?

[shadowgrin]

That's what she said.

[Nick]

Also, i just looked at our scoring settings. Are we keeping these? I know i'm a year or two late in saying this, but why do we have FGM and 3P% in this league? Don't you think that favours shooters and players who avoid the freethrow line way too much? (i.e. Korver, Redick, Covington, McCollum, etc) And disadvantages star slashes (Westbrook, John Wall, Derozan, Bledsoe).

It means that 3p% is included twice (since it's already included within FG%), and 3PM is included twice (since FGM takes encompasses threes aswell). That's really misbalanced, and it's not an accurate reflection of NBA talent, because when you crunch the numbers it makes Korver and Redick more valuable than Russell Westbrook and John Wall. It creates a misbalance of elevating perimeter players and downgrading bigs.

Some drafters aren't going to clue on to these silly settings, and draft really talented teams, and wonder why teams that are full of pussy ass spot up shooters are leading the league. I don't want to have to take Kyle Korver in round 3 just to take advantage of the scoring. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I understand the appeal in experimenting around and trying something different, it makes things interesting if done right, but we shouldn't be settling on the current scoring settings.
If you wanna incorporate shooting accuracy, then go back to standard 9-cat, but change FG% to Adjusted FG% (or TS% if it's available).
Or consider adding FTM to current settings.
Or remove REB from current settings and bring it back as 2 separate categories (O and D).
Or just use standard 9-cat. If it aint broke...

[NovU]

Q once said he wants this league to be bit different from standard 8-9 cat league iirc. I am all for it. Addition of FGM and 3PT% was done through voting, major supported it mostly because it's one mass category and one efficiency cat added in contrast previous 2 cats which included OReb instead of 3pt%. I suggest we vote on it every couple or few years to choose which cat we'd like to add, remove, or do both. What it does is simply changing the tactics and offers different ways to build your team. It's fun. If anyone finds the cats/setting redundant or boring, we can always have Q to have us vote on it again (or just decide it himself).

3pt% and 3ptm are two different cats. Kobe can help you in one cat and kill you in the other. It also ends up helping or hurting some players but we can still draft accordingly. It's still an even playing ground for everyone. (I chose Klay and Lillard as my first two round picks today in alt NLSC league because both give good FGM and 3pt% on top of 3ptm and pts, though I am not sure if I made a right call it's just my own tactic adjusting to league setting. I am sure you all do same.)

That said if Q wants a change to give this league a fresh look, I kinda like what Nick suggested, separation of reb for Oreb and Dreb. But if you think about it, it's still similar to what we had 2 seasons ago which was OReb + Reb. That again makes the bigs that grab rebounds pretty good bet to go with.




As for roster size, this year it looks like we will have 18 people x 13 roster deep which is 234 players making the roster. Last year it was insane at 20 x 15 for 300 players. LoL. We were insanely deep league last year and we are still a very deep league with just 66 more players on waivers from last year (40 if dei & formx renew by time). Not too bad imho.



What do you guys think?

[[Q]]

because when you crunch the numbers it makes Korver and Redick more valuable than Russell Westbrook and John Wall.

sure, a bit of sarcasm, but c'mon man, you've won this league multiple times so you should know that this statement (and your point) doesn't really hold. Value is also dependent on a person's strategy or viewpoint and their opinion of the player overall, so not everyone's gonna agree on a specific player's value especially in different scoring settings
In defense of 3P%, that was put in to counter teams winning with 3 point jackers like Nick young who shoot with no consequence. FGM was added to counter the fears of "Pussy ass spot up shooters" who shoot low volume and high percentages. This was done in favor of the addition of the OReb category which many people felt duplicated the rebounding category and gave bigs more of an advantage. At the end of the day, a few players get small boosts but it's not like Matt Bonner will be better than Anthony Davis. Any differences between this format and the standard format is pretty negligible. Good players will still be good. Redick's not going to be a superstar overnight. As NovU said, it's a bit different and adds a different challenge in addition to the deeper rosters

[air gordon]

Adjusted fg or ts? Now that would be awesome. Change would be nice like less starting positions but whatever. I'll let you sophisticates decide

is this Q's league or the nlsc's league anyway? Lol

[Nick]

because when you crunch the numbers it makes Korver and Redick more valuable than Russell Westbrook and John Wall.

sure, a bit of sarcasm, but c'mon man, you've won this league multiple times so you should know that this statement (and your point) doesn't really hold. Value is also dependent on a person's strategy or viewpoint and their opinion of the player overall, so not everyone's gonna agree on a specific player's value especially in different scoring settings

I wasn't being sarcastic. I literally crunched the numbers Korver/Redick were valued over those 2 players.



Sure these are just based on projections, but Korver has no business being a 1st rounder. Even if you allow for statistical variation, it's ridiculous that Redick and Korver are even in the conversation as top 20 guys, above Westbrook and John Wall.
Also note that Klay is ranked #4, and guys like Danny Green and Beal are in the top 30. DeMarre Carroll with the same value as John Wall.

In defense of 3P%, that was put in to counter teams winning with 3 point jackers like Nick young who shoot with no consequence.

But FG% already accounts for chuckers? Also, Nick Young barely had any value anyway because he doesn't contribute in many categories. There was never a need to phase him out.

FGM was added to counter the fears of "Pussy ass spot up shooters" who shoot low volume and high percentages.

But spot up shooters are already good in the FGM department because that's where they score their points, because they don't get to the line.

I would suggest adding FTM to balance out the shooter vs slasher thing, but then we probably have too many scoring categories. Honestly the standard 9-cat is the best balance.

Any differences between this format and the standard format is pretty negligible.

But it's not. It's really not. It's about balance.

Please reconsider.

[NovU]

Nick, it's why you remain a contender each year. You do your homework. Use it to your advantage.

One thing that 2 additional categories do is that it makes 'playing field' little more unpredictable and complex. Value between first rounders is quite huge. Top 3 picks are usually significantly advantageous(perhaps top 5 this year) to rest of the first rounders. Especially with so many people in the league, your first rounder could be Anthony Davis or Stephen Curry while the other person is pondering which to pick between Gobert and Millsap. It's why so many leagues had teams with top picks Curry or Durant winning it all in past couple years. Some argue snake draft system scratches any advantage but the stats do show top pickers have better chance at winning. Our current system does not entirely eliminates this issue but it does offer unique ways to make up for deficiency even if you missed out on having a high draft position. It's how I was able to stay contentious despite having bottom picks each and every year.

I would suggest adding FTM to balance out the shooter vs slasher thing, but then we probably have too many scoring categories. Honestly the standard 9-cat is the best balance.

FTM further promotes scorers though. We already have 2 cats that favor them in FGM and PTS. But I will admit it'd be a fun experiment though. I'd actually draft Howard, Drummond, or DeAndre if that happens. Even if they can't hit efficiently from the line, at least they will hit many due to excessive chances they get.




How about replacing 3pt% with Steals to Turnover ratio category? It's a skill of Protecting Possession and Creating Possession category.

[I Hate Mondays]

Do people actually prefer "X to Y" categories ? I thought that was a myth, lol.

[Moz]

I'm opposed on excluding the accuracy categories since they are a big help to those who's buried already on other cats (sometimes even the deciding factor on match-ups). Fine with any roster cuts just keep 3 BNs for players stashing.

[air gordon]

So + 2 for less starters. Excellent

[Nick]

I don't think more categories evens the playing field. If you've got a low pick, just draft a better team than everyone else! The league isn't won by having Steph and Durant (though yes it certainly helps), it's won by drafting unexpected studs in the 6th, 7th rounds. Your Jimmy Butlers, your Draymond Greens. Last season, Draymond Green was the 3rd most common piece on championship teams in yahoo last year. And it's won by being active and claiming waivers who put up big value (i.e. Whiteside last year).

But NovU for the record i'm not necessarily in favour of having less categories, i am in favour of having balance. There's a distinct difference. Misbalance between categories creates a problem where some people exploit the system while others have no idea that the scoring settings favour shooters so much. I should know, I've been exploiting it for years. But enough's enough. Parity & good competition is always better.
I personally think 9-cat is the best balance, but if we can find a way to add more categories but still keep it balanced then that's all good.

And for the record i am not in favour of cutting roster spots. If anything i'd prefer it deeper! Drafting Rudy Gobert at #274 or whatever it was last season is too fun.

[Nick]

P.s. it's interesting looking back on this...

*shrug* 2012 is a great draft, and that's that.

I may not have articulated a solid argument, But at least my gut was right. Some of the top guys in fantasy are from that class: Anthony Davis, Lillard, Drummond, Draymond. Some solid starters too: Middleton, Terrence Jones, MKG, Crowder, Barnes, Beal.
Plus a few other role players who could still become something imo: Henson, Sullinger, Meyers, Ezeli, Zeller, Fournier, Jenkins, Harkless, Barton, O'Quinn, Wroten.
I'll even take credit for calling it on Rivers and T-Rob becoming disappointments too while i'm here.

I will admit i was totally wrong about Dion Waiters though. I thought he was destined for stardom, lel.

[Moz]

Yeah forget about those teams who didn't renew, make it a 3 division league, and let's have 15 roster spots...

[air gordon]

Mr nick
Depends how you define "great". And we're not talking in regards to fantasy relevance lol

Davis is on a level of his own. Lillard all star... then some decent players. Draymond green and drummond are nice too.

I suppose the kool aid tasted great at the time

[buzzy]

Are we going with the draft time that's currently set?

[I Hate Mondays]

Please don't set it two hours later, please don't set it two hours later *fingers crossed*.

[NovU]

LoL. 5PM PDT would have been better for me again. Not sure if I can make it but I will definitely try to free up the schedule. BTW I Hate Mondays, isn't that 2 AM for u? I guess it's an improvement from 3 AM.

[airBerlin]

random note thing on saw on yahoo: "Injuries are inevitable, but now they're manageable with our added roster spot for inactive or injured players"

Do we want this setting turned on? I don't think I care either way, but figured I'd throw it out there.

[buzzy]

Am I missing something? I thought there always were IR spots?

[shadowgrin]

I think they just added an extra BN in the default league settings.

[[Q]]

6-10 years ago it was a thing but they got rid of it when the nba changed to the "inactive list"

I don't think it's a setting, it should already be implemented

[I Hate Mondays]

LoL. 5PM PDT would have been better for me again. Not sure if I can make it but I will definitely try to free up the schedule. BTW I Hate Mondays, isn't that 2 AM for u? I guess it's an improvement from 3 AM.

1 AM for me ( current time) it's the best improvement I can get. It's perfect

[[Q]]

look at this dominant team.

anyone need blocks? I kinda went overboard in that category. Willing to trade Wright, Smith, Henson, maybe Bogut