NLSC Basketball '15

[NovU]

No thx formyhorny. Good luck with your league tho.

This league is for NLSC members to partake in fantasy league fun with bragging rights and smack talk on the side without wasting their time more than it is needed.

Hey, I don't see how the new system will save you time. It's actually more management now. If you're Akinfenwa FC, you will still be Akinfenwa FC.

Only thing that it will really changes is that now it will take more time adding/removing pieces to your roster. Hey you were looking for a PG, then outbid everyone and it could take couple days, if fail, open up a new bidding process on other, and so on. Less FA movement will happen and Limo and I probably couldn't have made as many roster movement as this year.

On the contrary, it will make good scouting a premium since people must evaluate and determine if the current free agent on the auction block is worthy to blow their waiver budget on or keep their budget to use on another potential signing.

Not only that it also means you're kinda even more screwed if drafted badly and was looking forward to FA list as a source. People like Nick a good drafter can rape your waiver pick ups when real deal arises. Riches get richer.

Also for instance, you could trick people into thinking random shitty player is some kinda hot deal and let people outbid you, make people spend money on some shitty parts, putting themselves in bad position going forward. Tactical element adds to the game, kinda sounds more competitiveness.

Bidding system actually is a game changer. I am all for it as I said. I don't necessarily believe it's any kind of improvement but more of going another direction for a change of scenery. (But some could find it tedious and boring as you do with current system.) Sure, having vast knowledge in players still would help but now take their money value and league/team salary also into a consideration, I can definitely see how this could work. You still need to evaluate players' value extremely well and weigh their relative value to teams money situation. You probably won't see as many add/drops as in today's league but makes add/drop system somewhat of a nice mini game.

[air gordon]

Yeah you drive, shadow. This is nauseating for me

I agree this is just for fun. We're all just members in a video game forum partaking in long time running fantasy league. The trash talking is indeed fun. I enjoy having that distinction as the dickhead. The trash talking came from a sincere place.... or at least it was legit... none of this garbage of you just won because it was fluke

I think some are making the league bigger than what it really is.

Danny green for trade. I think he's been highlighted in a bunch of fantasy articles this week for those scoring at home

[shadowgrin]

I don't see how the new system will save you time. It's actually more management now.

It saves people the time of having....

to watch basketball or analyze the box scores of every game during the week

...just to find a player on waivers that they can realistically acquire because they're at the bottom of the waiver priority in 14+ team league.

Only thing that it will really changes is that now it will take more time adding/removing pieces to your roster. Hey you were looking for a PG, then outbid everyone and it could take couple days, if fail, open up a new bidding process on other, and so on.

Nope. The waiver priority will just be put to the back by a bidding process.
Currently, you have to wait for waivers to clear on a particular day before you get that player in demand so even now there is still waiting involved. The waiver period is the same as the duration of the bidding process.

Less FA movement will happen

How sure are you that would be the case? If it were why would it be a bad thing?
It's not like a good team can hoard all the good players in waivers since the player slots are limited for everyone same with the budget. By the time one team blows their budget one team will still have some left for him to spend and the FA movement can still continue.

means you're kinda even more screwed if drafted badly and was looking forward to FA list as a source.

Unless teams know how to manage their budget, when to bid high or bid low or sit it out. Not everyone is salivating to bid for Hassan Whiteside you know.

It adds a risk-reward aspect to waivers now just like in the draft.
Want competition while having fun? Well, here's risk-reward!

Also for instance, you could trick people into thinking random shitty player is some kinda hot deal and let people outbid you, make people spend money on some shitty parts, putting themselves in bad position going forward. Tactical element adds to the game, kinda sounds more competitiveness.

lol nope. It's a blind bidding process, you don't know who is bidding or the amount of the bid he placed and a player bid only shows up if two people are after the same player.
That is why Nick can't steal Rodney Hood, Jerome Jordan, or Hassan Whiteside from you.


To quote Yahoo:

The FAAB does not apply to free-agent pickups. All free agents can be picked up on a first-come, first-serve basis, without bids.

Bids are hidden to other managers until a player clears waivers. The winning bid will display in the Transaction log.

If only one owner bid on a player, that transaction will not display under "FAAB Bids."

The default FAAB budget for teams is $100. The commissioner of a custom league may change this amount at any time throughout the season by using the Acquisition Budgets tool, found in the "Team Management" section of the Commish Tools page.

You can submit $0 bids, and if no one else bids more, you will be able to claim that player.

Oh noes less FA movement! is not a problem since you can save your waiver budget by placing $0 bids in hidden gems no one knows about like Hassan Whiteside and Qballer can be like Obama and give everyone bailout money if they complain enough to stimulate FA movement if all the teams have ran out of dosh.

You can still pick players that aren't on waivers asap, so if no one wants Rodney Hood you're free to get him on the spot without bidding.

[NovU]

Like I said I'm not against proposed idea. It changes the strategy, that's pretty much it. You work with what you have, no problem. What is with Hassan Whiteside issues? This evil NovU must be stopped. LoL


The thing you got from YaHoo, what is the point when you can get FAs without bidding process. How that gonna stop me from getting Hassan?

It saves people the time of having....

to watch basketball or analyze the box scores of every game during the week

...just to find a player on waivers that they can realistically acquire because they're at the bottom of the waiver priority in 14+ team league.

LoL btw who does this shit. I hardly catch 1 or 2 games a week but mostly follow rotoworld/espn, good enuf to win me 2 seasons. If anyone's actually doing it, deserves commendation and probably wins a lot anyway. Why should anyone have problem with this is actually beyond me. But sure, let's go ahead and make this league more friendly and casual for busy folks with crap working hours and those with less passion/knowledge. And let's hope that puts whinny excuses to sleep.



That said, three of us agree that it should happen so what happens next? That's what matters now anyway.

[shadowgrin]

The thing you got from YaHoo, what is the point when you can get FAs without bidding process. How that gonna stop me from getting Hassan?

You won the NLSC League for two consecutive years plus Doobie's League and you don't know the difference between a player available during the waiver period a player readily available in free agency?

Go spend time and effort to passionately know the difference between the two. Google is your friend.

let's go ahead and make this league more friendly and casual for busy folks with crap working hours and those with less passion/knowledge.

Huh, that's the point? You want people like Jao to join in and still be able to participate and be active because it doesn't take a lot from their time and important passions in real life even though they don't have a PhD in Basketology like you?

[NovU]

Last time I checked this whining was entirely about balancing number of add/drop moves made by teams. Why you even bringing this waviers topic into this is beyond me, nobody's whining about it.

[shadowgrin]

Learn about the meaning of waivers and waiver period in fantasy leagues, please.

[NovU]

Perhaps you being a fantasy ball scientist yourself, be kind enough to explain how that effects our topic, which I am actually careless about.

I already gave you my vote, stop with this whining.

[shadowgrin]

Because you asked about it?

The thing you got from YaHoo, what is the point when you can get FAs without bidding process. How that gonna stop me from getting Hassan?

Which I replied...

...know the difference between a player available during the waiver period a player readily available in free agency...Google is your friend.

If you don't understand how waivers fits rightly and is really the topic all this time of this discussion and if you don't have the passion and effort, that you're so happy to harp about, to even know what it is then this entire discussion is indeed beyond you.

So you already gave your of approval, good for you then.

Don't understand what is really about, then don't agree to it, instead of going on a rant of replies on the pretense that you know what this whole discussion is about.


afaik air gordon only gave a suggestion, to give it a thought.
If people agree, fine, if not the league still continues like it always has thanks to the effort (seriously) of the commissioner Adolf Qballer Hitler.

You were obviously butthurt enough by that simple suggestion to rant like this for no apparent reason..

airgord and his excuses how he can't pick up decent talent off the waivers yet he has bargnani/derrick occupying his roster for ages. Hey, Cousins sat out 10 games, has Derrick done anything? Maybe drop that shit? It's all hunch and gamble. How many people make their moves based on daily boxscore only. Look at the past moves that were made. It's less about number of moves but still about evaluations of players and situations. I made 14 waiver moves but none of them turned out to be anything. Ronnie Price, Shabazz, Covington were the latest steals off the waivers btw. Look who got them and how they got them. Luckers that took gamble not entirely because those players played well on that day. Signs and possibility were already there.

Just because you suck at spotting talent or too lazy to do so, sure let's go change the entire system so others can spot talents for you. Play video games 5 less minutes everyday and skim through rotoworld, even that allergic to win teams like Akinfenwa FC probably could turn things around.

And you wonder why you are referred to as a dunce.

[formx]

If people agree, fine, if not the league still continues like it always has thanks to the effort (seriously) of the commissioner Adolf Qballer Hitler.

It is clear this league isn't suitable for Qballer's right wing fascist views. Needs more communism

[NovU]

All free agents can be picked up on a first-come, first-serve basis, without bids.

dr brawn shadley, can you not read my dear, nothing about waivers should be our topic. Someone was crying why there's so many FA movement by some teams and we should level the playing field whatever it means. There already is a system restricting players on waivers, who gives a shit about them, it's FA market dominance and its daily stat checkers he was complaining about. But now you want to do something about waiver system while you do absolutely nothing for core of the problem, FA?

Some critical thinker you are, I hope you guys eventually find your ways to prevent me from picking up Hassan Whiteside or Jerome Jordan. And thanks again dr shadley for your fantasy ball science 101 lecture for dunce! This is gold.

[shadowgrin]

This is like driving straight to a brick wall.


Read about Waiver Mode, Waiver Time, Waiver Type, and whatever Yahoo calls its bidding process Fab or something.


Once you understand that then come back to the discussion because discussing this with you any further considering that you don't understand it, as you said yourself, is no different than banging your head to the keyboard to form a response.

[NovU]

Sorry but I'm no fantasy ball expert like yourself. But I'm really asking you a simple question.

For 3rd time, your very own YaHoo quote states

All free agents can be picked up on a first-come, first-serve basis, without bids.

How does knowing all Fantasy Wiki stuff prevent me from freely accessing Whiteside or Jerome from FA, help me with your ball science PHD.

[shadowgrin]

Assuming bidding is applied:

If the waiver type is standard, teams are given an equal chance to sign players in waivers and get some team's sloppy seconds instead of mainly relying on waiver priority. If no one bids on that player during the waiver time set by the league setting (2 days in current league), then that player becomes a free agent and a free for all signing. The signing of free agents is still the same as in the current league. That type does not restrict free agent movement but it will limit teams from passing around waived players like a used condom, still achieving the goal of preventing no risk repeat add-drops by different teams.
If you think no one cares about waived players then just look at the repeat adds/drops of players in the current league or you being giddy like a little girl in getting Anthony Bennett for example.


If the waiver type is continuous (which is probably air gordon's preference) all free agents are in the waiver list. Player movement is strictly down to the bidding rules (which I quoted from Yahoo above) and trades. This is the type you're probably ranting against before.



That yahoo quote you desperately want to know addresses the first type which is standard. Hope that explains it for you. If you only have the passion to spend time and effort on reading then it wouldn't be that hard not to get confused.

[air gordon]

the passion and the fire! only in the nlsc league does Hassan whiteside get this much pub!

what the discussion should be really about is creating a league next year w/o the kid in the dunce cap

[NovU]

This is gold. Two fantasy ball scientists, one troubled by non existent FA issues, the other shows up with entirely irrelevant yet again non-existent issue and calls for waivers system reform.

Madness! If I dropped both Jerome and Bennett, would you wankers stop wanking? Thanks for making my day, professors.

[shadowgrin]

What an idiot.
The bidding process being discussed about affects both waivers and free agency that's why I listed the two types there.

I'm out. No hope in that person. Can't get through that dunce cap.
Even Badger with his understanding of English has more comprehension than NovU.

[NovU]

Waivers is already regulated so it was a non topic. Try presenting a better evidence of this mode/type however you wanna call it. It doesn't take Fantasy Scientists to know that such system exists for Waivers. It's not entirely a sure deal for Free Agency though. Perhaps try leading to a right evidence next time. This shouldn't be much of work for Fantasy League Professor like yourself.

[shadowgrin]

If you apply a bidding process to league it will only turn out into two things, two things I have listed above.

If free agency movement is to be given an equal chance for all teams, which this entire discussion is all about in the beginning, then the league becomes the second type above.

Evidence? What evidence? We haven't even implemented it in the league yet. The discussion was all about weighing if a bidding system would benefit the league, which you even agreed to at some point.

I don't get how a grown man with such passion to spend the time and effort in his life on fantasy leagues can be so daft to get a simple concept...

Don't understand what is really about, then don't agree to it, instead of going on a rant of replies on the pretense that you know what this whole discussion is about.

[formx]

what the discussion should be really about is creating a league next year w/o the kid in the dunce cap

I think the communist league might be for you.

[NovU]

shadowgrin, I told you and your fuck buddy this from the very beginning. No such a bidding system exists for FA. You can't stop people from adding/dropping the way your husband described.

This is just silly, you fighting airgord's fight, only to lose. It's almost sad you fall this low.

[shadowgrin]

Let me guide you through this but I won't hold your hand.

Say I'm the commissioner Qballer, I look like Bruce Lee but bald so make that Jason Scott Lee in Soldier, at least that's what I think Q looks like.

I see that dick air gordon wants a bidding system for free agents, I decide to do it in the middle of the season just to shut him up.

The way to do it is to change the league settings (which you can check on the NLSC league's Yahoo page).
I change the Waiver Type to Continuous, don't mind the name but rather what it does.

What it does is it changes all the free agents to be only picked up based on waiver priority, the entire free agent list becomes one big giant waiver list for the entire season.

NovU wants to claim Jordan Crawford but he can't because NovU's waiver priority is lower than air gordon who also claimed Jordan Crawford. This is where the bidding comes in.

Instead of letting the waiver priority dictate who will get who in free agency because of the changed league settings, I decide to apply Yahoo's bidding system so instead of NovU waiting weeks for his turn to have a high waiver priority just to sign first a free agent he desires he can now compete with air gordon and the rest of the league on that player by bidding.


That's as simple as I can make it without the use of crayons and stick figure drawings.

tl;dr
Comish changes Waiver Type in League Setting to Continuous.
Comish applies bidding system by Yahoo.
All free agents can now only be signed through bidding.
Done, bidding system now exists for FAs.

[NovU]

That's more like dr fantasy ball scientist.

So bidding still remains hidden that you still don't know which player is getting the bid(s)? At least I guess it solves first come first serve issue as there will be a delay.

I'm all in for this.

[shadowgrin]

Yes.
Only time bid players are revealed during the bidding period is when two teams have placed bids on the same player but even then the teams who placed bids are not revealed and the amount of the placed bids aren't also revealed, that way teams assign their own perceived value on players so a team can end up overpaying a free agent just like the Knicks.

[NovU]

I guess this means all FAs and players waiting to clear waivers are all treated equal so in our case whoever has the highest waiver claim can obtain the player first.

Interesting how far this league customization can go, especially that all FAs can go on waivers. I must admit this will work smoothly as long as commissioner is not some sort of a communist and mess it up, as history tells us something. This probably won't keep away people from making 50 add/drops or picking up Whiteside, but at least it will get rid of Daily Prompt Stat checkers advantage. Despite the tardiness in process of add/drop, I could see how this could improve the league as I said.

Now that dr fantasy ball scientist proved that it can be done rather swiftly and easily and provided step by step instruction, I guess it's up to Qball to take that next step and be democratic about this. 3 votes tallied Yes, 17 forfeit, motion passed.