Carter Always Being Shafted

[VCFAN]

Is it just me or is it ever since Carter entered the NBA bad luck had plagued him. As a young player in the league his agent illegally invested and lost 100000 dollars of his money. Second of all after being paired up with his cousin in Toronto everything started off great, but then suddenly Tracey decided to head off to Orlando and destroy a combination which would be unstoppable now. Then his graduation falls on the biggest game of his career, which could have ARGUABLY affected his game play in game 7 of the eastern conference semi-finals. Don't blame him for actually going to his graduation because it's something to be proud of. A lot of players in the league didn't even go to college. Then a few years later of being injury plagued he miraculously get voted for the starting line up in the all- star game, the year of Michael Jordan's last season. Obviously people wanted him there and yet he gets pressured into forfeiting his spot for a player who was not even wanted in that spot as much, cause obvioulsly if he was he would have been voted for it. I understand Carters plea to not give up his spot because it would be rude to the people who actually voted for him.

The following all-star game he gets voted as number one again. For some reason he plays very limited minutes again, which goes against basically the whole principal of the voting system of the all-star game which is to see players you vote for get good playing time.

This now brings me to the present situation of him asking to be traded. It seems to me any other player just has to snap their finger and they are magically traded like T-Mac, and Shaq. Carter asks for a trade and the tables turn. WHY? Carter has never been a selfish player and gets critisized for almost every little mistake he makes. Kobe once shot 48 field goals in one game with a player like shaq on his team but yet it's not really made a big deal.

Its not like he has done anything bad to deserve this. He is a very good guy, good role model in society, never gets in trouble, has Charity games, doesn't get techinals and doesn't get in legal trouble. His attitude is far better than Iversons or Kobe's or Shaq's but yet it seems like other players get by much easier.

Can I hear some other people's views on this topic and feel free to contradict me if you want.

[Andrew]

Then a few years later of being injury plagued he miraculously get voted for the starting line up in the all- star game, the year of Michael Jordan's last season. Obviously people wanted him there and yet he gets pressured into forfeiting his spot for a player who was not even wanted in that spot as much, cause obvioulsly if he was he would have been voted for it. I understand Carters plea to not give up his spot because it would be rude to the people who actually voted for him.

Even though the pressure wasn't warranted and he certainly didn't have to give up his spot, it was a very noble move on his part and certainly wasn't unprecedented. Doug Collins gave up his starting spot for John Havlicek in 1978, his final season (and that's a Sixer giving up his spot for a Celtic, which was significant back in the day) and Tim Hardaway stepped aside for Magic in 1992 (even though Magic was on the IR and had declared himself retired).

I think most of the pressure was because of Iverson and T-Mac's willingness to give up their spot, which Michael Jordan politely declined. He also supported Carter's stand, but when Carter insisted on stepping aside when the game began, MJ did (somewhat reluctantly, by his expression) accept Carter's offer. Basically, I think it's a great example of how he's a good guy.

The following all-star game he gets voted as number one again. For some reason he plays very limited minutes again, which goes against basically the whole principal of the voting system of the all-star game which is to see players you vote for get good playing time.

That was very weird indeed. I didn't agree with that, and I'm sure plenty of other people would have wanted/expected him to play much more than he did.

This now brings me to the present situation of him asking to be traded. It seems to me any other player just has to snap their finger and they are magically traded like T-Mac, and Shaq. Carter asks for a trade and the tables turn. WHY? Carter has never been a selfish player and gets critisized for almost every little mistake he makes. Kobe once shot 48 field goals in one game with a player like shaq on his team but yet it's not really made a big deal.

I see where you're coming from, but refusing to trade Carter does show a certain respect for him. The Raptors acknowledge that he is an important player, their franchise player, and they don't want to get rid of him. They want to build a team around him and aren't keen on dealing him away for a lesser player. That suggests to me that they certainly value him.

You have to remember that T-Mac can opt out of his contract in the near future, which placed a lot of pressure on the Magic to meet his demands. It's a similar situation with Shaq - the Lakers were also more keen on keeping Kobe. As far as I know, Vince can't opt out of his contract just yet (if he does have an opt-out clause at all) and the Raptors want him on their team. They don't have as much incentive to trade him, and would rather build around him.

[Riot]

I think Vince is overrated but I still like him. I wish he would get heathly and a good team around him so we can see how good he really is. He's got skills.

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[j.23]

even though im not a big fan of carter i do agree with you, he did get screwed over in this years all star game.. not only was he a starter but he was the leading vote getter yet somehow he got the least minutes amongst all starters.. wtf was that.. i don't think carlisle likes him that much.

[Rens]

How is Carter overrated, when he's being called injury prone and that he sucks?

1. He missed 9 games last season, a lot less than several other star players (who aren't called injury prone).

2. He averaged 22.5, 4.8 and 4.8 last season... pretty damn good all round stats if you ask me, if McGrady averaged that he'd be the next Magic.

[Riot]

hes overrated because he gets voted into the all-star game when he doesnt even play most of the first half.

[Rens]

And then plays some of the best basketball of his career in the second half.
Do you want the best players in the All-Star game or the players that have played the most?

[Riot]

I think the all-star game should be for players who earned it that year. People who have worked hard and deserve some kind of respect. Same people over and over again isn't going to help the sport generate new stars.

The Elton Brand's. Michael Redd's. Anderi Kirilenko's.

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[Rens]

Carter's last season was his best yet!! When will you people who don't know anything about the Raptors ever acknowledge this? Stop looking at stats only! Gah...

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[Rens]

Please explain where you think I contradict myself so I can explain why I didn't?

If you mean that I said stop looking at stats AND Carter had his best year:
Statistically Carter didn't have his best year, yet he did play-wise. He took over games, defended, rebounded, passed. Most games the Raptors lost was because of the style they had to play. It just didn't suit the players. You can't be a defensive team when you have only two players who can defend well.

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[Rens]

Allen would suit Toronto, but not more than a motivated Carter.

Carter has had better statistical seasons, he's averaged over 27PPG before, also near 6 RPG. Only his assists were his best ever. Carter had to do quite abit of ball handling, because Palacio sucks, Williams is always injured and Rose likes to play some SG as well. Hence, more turnovers.

It was his best year play-wise because he's never been more all-round or more of a team player.

[J@3]

2. He averaged 22.5, 4.8 and 4.8 last season... pretty damn good all round stats if you ask me, if McGrady averaged that he'd be the next Magic.

McGrady averaged 28.0ppg, 6.0rpg and 5.5apg

Edit: I can't believe I just stuck up for McGrady

[Rens]

And what was McGrady called when he was breaking out?

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[J@3]

And what was McGrady called when he was breaking out?

Tracy?

[Rens]

Tracy?

lol He was compared to Magic (like so many others ok..)

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[Matthew]

One of 'em is Livingston

well.. any player has the potential to be the next larry bird or hakeem olajuwon. Levingston won't be the next magic... he plays on the clippers for one, and for two, he wont be an all star for a long time. Lebron, well at least he is closer than livingston.

[VCFAN]

Its true Carters stats don't indicate how good he was this season. He wasn't as good as T-Mac or Kobe in 2002/03 but Carter really did step it up i the clutch. He hit many hard shots. His assit average would be higher if he had some good scorers on the team also. His defense improves a little as well.

Also Carter is on a team with a player (Rose) who makes two million a year more than him and does about half the work on the team. How would you feel about that?

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[Wall St. Peon]

it doesnt matter.Rose is overrated.

uh....it does matter because Rose is overrated and making 2 mil more than Carter....Carter knows that Rose is overrated, and he also knows he makes 2 mil more than him. If you found out that someone who didn't try as hard as you and wasn't as good as you was getting paid more, would you be miffed?