Payton Traded to Celtics

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:26 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1853576

I liked banks, good trade for celtics though. Thoughts?

by **-BHZMAFIA-** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:33 am

Yea I think it's pretty good the Celtics because I think GP will be himself when he was with the Bucks and Sonics in his late days. He will do better for them than he did with the Lakers. The Celtics didn't really need Atkins and Banks because Delonte West was brought in. I remember during summer league play Delonte was playing better than Banks and they didn't need both. So the Celtics have a pretty solid team now.

by **XianeX** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:05 am

Bad move by Danny Ainge (then again a lot of his moves are). Marcus Banks was the Celtics' future point guard (who could actually play good defense) and now Payton and Pierce will both want the ball in their hand making them clash, not to mention good-ol' Ricky Davis.

by **j.23** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:07 am

*pukes* i agree it was a good trade for both, but i liked the backcourt of kobe and gary even tho he wasn't as productive this year

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:10 am

Well, now now let's be fair. Gary Payton has gotten along with other players before. If Gary Payton could surive a season with Kobe and Shaq, I'm sure he can survive with Pierce and Ricky Davis.

by **GloveGuy** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:15 am

I'm a bit disappointed that the Lakers gave up on Payton. I thought that he could've done really well running the point out of the triangle.

But on the other hand, I'm pretty psyched since I live in Boston and I get to watch Payton play every game now. He's still got a few years left in him, but it sucks to see him going from team to team now.

by **Sauru** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:15 am

this is a great deal for the celts imo. first of all if payton can revert to his outself outside of the triangle then we could have one hell of a back court. the other part of the trade i like is rick fox. i have always liked this guys but have watched his minutes dwindle down to nothing in LA. i will be glad to have him back off the bench.

now if payton dont return to old(maybe even if he does), we get to clear his salary off the books at seasons end. thats always a good thing. not sure how much longer fox has but if its also 1 year then this deal is really nice for the celts. getting a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick is always a bonus aswell.

good move

by **thaKEAF** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:15 am

Celtics aren't working on the future when you look at this trade, Banks was their PG of the future but instead they take GP who will give them maybe one okay season.

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:17 am

Cap relief and a lottery pick (Y)

by **Andre** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:17 am

Uhm..I'm not sure about Banks' future in this league...I see him more as a backup rather than a starting PG.

For now the Lakers got very little out of this trade. Maybe they know Malone will not return.

Another reason is that they feared the would have lost GP for nothing at the end of the season.

Beside these 2 reasons, I don't see other explanation.

I think the Celtics got the most out of it.

by **Alcoholic** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:34 am

No damnit! GP goes back to Lakers, and they trade him! They probably based his ability from last season, well this season will be different, no more triangle, different players! I feel sorry for GP if he doesn't bounce back. He went from Sonics hall of fame franchise player to jumping from team to team, kind of like what's happening to Malone.

by **TheTruth#34** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:38 am

i'm a celtics fan from italy and i'm not sure the celtics did the right thing...
they gave up 2 young players for 2 old players, also i'm a diehard Pierce's fan and i hope that paytond will not want the ball in his hands too much. the good thing in this trade (for the cs i mean) is that they got a first pick in exchange for a second round pick and cash.

i hope this trade will work for the celts and i hope that Pula will have a great year now that he has some decent teammates

by **Sauru** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:39 am

The Answer 3 wrote:Celtics aren't working on the future when you look at this trade, Banks was their PG of the future but instead they take GP who will give them maybe one okay season.

actually i see this trade solely as a future move. payton will be gone at seasons end and they will have money and a draft pick to play with. what about fox? does his contract also expire? btw i feel banks was gonna play back up pg this season with the celts anyway. in LA he can probably start.

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:41 am

Payton-Pierce-Davis-Blount-LaFrentz?

With Jiri Welsch off the bench. Not bad?

by **Micchy_boy** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:56 am

SbHZmAFiA wrote:Yea I think it's pretty good the Celtics because I think GP will be himself when he was with the Bucks and Sonics in his late days. He will do better for them than he did with the Lakers. The Celtics didn't really need Atkins and Banks because Delonte West was brought in. I remember during summer league play Delonte was playing better than Banks and they didn't need both. So the Celtics have a pretty solid team now.

yap i alos think GP fits the run and gun of lakers next year. well lakers got 2 PG and a big man which what lakers really need. Atkins might start or banks or even vujacic.

now i was wondering what the sudden departure of GP. well i guess the lakers management knew all along that GP wants out even tough he said we will stay. also we trade fox.

thats 8 players from last year rosters were gone (including mailman)
Oneal
Malone
Fox
Payton
Fisher
H.Grant
Russell
Sampson

by **FanOfAll** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:09 am

It's an ok trade for both parties. You want a run and gun PG Laker fans? Man, that is exactly what Marcus Banks is. He shoots up the floor in the speed of light, although he usually turns it over or makes a bad decision (forces a shot, doesn't wait for trailer, etc). The reason Ainge took Banks was to run and gun (and defense). Speaking of which, Banks is already a very good defender at his position. Mihm...good depth. Lots of potential, very nice post moves, but he has such slow lateral movement it makes him a liability on defense. He's also very foul prone.

I honestly don't think Fox will play. He was traded away from Beantown because he didn't want to play there when he was drafted. I think he's going to retire, which I believe he was leaning towards in the first place. Payton + PP for the ball...it'll be interesting how Doc does this. Mihm was likely to be gone, Atkins wanted out after he was exposed, and Banks was not the only PG of the future. They drafted a player from St. Joe's by the name of Delonte West and he was their other PG of the future. He's already drawn raves for his superior (compared to Banks) decision making, ball handling, court vision, and ability to lead a team. He's not the same defender or athlete Banks is, but he is a better shooter.

Lineups (chose the IR yourself :wink:

):
Divac/Mihm
Grant/Odom (10-15 min)/Slava (:?)/Cook
Odom/Butler/George/Walton
Kobe/Butler/Rush/Vujacic
Atkins/Banks/Vujacic

Blount/Perkins/Yogi
Raef/Jefferson/Waltah (:?)
PP/Jiri/Jones/Waltah (hopefully he's last at both positions)
Davis/Jiri/Allen
Payton/West/Jiri

Or Jiri might start and Davis backs up both the 2 and 3. Either way, both look pretty good right now.

by **TheTruth#34** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:19 am

FanOfAll wrote:It's an ok trade for both parties. You want a run and gun PG Laker fans? Man, that is exactly what Marcus Banks is. He shoots up the floor in the speed of light, although he usually turns it over or makes a bad decision (forces a shot, doesn't wait for trailer, etc). The reason Ainge took Banks was to run and gun (and defense). Speaking of which, Banks is already a very good defender at his position. Mihm...good depth. Lots of potential, very nice post moves, but he has such slow lateral movement it makes him a liability on defense. He's also very foul prone.

I honestly don't think Fox will play. He was traded away from Beantown because he didn't want to play there when he was drafted. I think he's going to retire, which I believe he was leaning towards in the first place. Payton + PP for the ball...it'll be interesting how Doc does this. Mihm was likely to be gone, Atkins wanted out after he was exposed, and Banks was not the only PG of the future. They drafted a player from St. Joe's by the name of Delonte West and he was their other PG of the future. He's already drawn raves for his superior (compared to Banks) decision making, ball handling, court vision, and ability to lead a team. He's not the same defender or athlete Banks is, but he is a better shooter.

Lineups (chose the IR yourself ):
Divac/Mihm
Grant/Odom (10-15 min)/Slava (:?)/Cook
Odom/Butler/George/Walton
Kobe/Butler/Rush/Vujacic
Atkins/Banks/Vujacic

Blount/Perkins/Yogi
Raef/Jefferson/Waltah (:?)
PP/Jiri/Jones/Waltah (hopefully he's last at both positions)
Davis/Jiri/Allen
Payton/West/Jiri

Or Jiri might start and Davis backs up both the 2 and 3. Either way, both look pretty good right now.

as a celtics fa i love waltah!!
every bostonian loves waltah
he and PP are the only playes that were in the celtics rosters 4 years ago
waltah plays with hart and he is able to make big plays both on offense and D#

by **GloveGuy** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:24 am

Great article on Page 2 about this trade. Sounds like Payton's ready to come back with avengence next year.

by **FanOfAll** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:32 am

TheTruth#34 wrote:as a celtics fa i love waltah!!
every bostonian loves waltah
he and PP are the only playes that were in the celtics rosters 4 years ago
waltah plays with hart and he is able to make big plays both on offense and D#

A ton of Celtic fans on boards don't like Walter. I used to love Waltah as well, those 3's he hits, but man, when he played the 4, that was flat out embarassing. He has no idea how to rebound the ball at all. The reason I put him behind Jones? I think Jones is a better fit in the motion offense Doc wants to run, but we'll see.

by **TheTruth#34** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:35 am

he may not be a good reabounder, but he still has quick feets to defend and he shots those big 3's... those bombs...
we will see

by **FanOfAll** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:41 am

TheTruth#34 wrote:he may not be a good reabounder, but he still has quick feets to defend and he shots those big 3's... those bombs...
we will see

He's fine at the 3 as long as he never creates. However, he's too weak to guard 4's for 20 minutes and he isn't a "not a good rebounder", he's a terrible, terrible, terrilb rebounder. Sorry, just messing with you :wink:

.

by **RedTorro** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:56 am

Compared to some of the deals have gone down this offseason this is about a good of a deal as we have seen with both parties benefitting. G.P. and Kobe wasn't going to get the Lakers to the playoffs so you might as well get some young talent for him while he's still tradeable.

by **Repole** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:04 am

whats next, a yankees red sox trade?

Danny Ainge, you've made a deal with the devil. what happened to "we're building for 3-4 years down the road"????? he musta realized pierce would find a way out by then. ugh, celtics are retarded... we now have no depth, who the hell is our backup center, point guard?? walter mccarty? delonte west?? grrrrrrrrrrrreat...

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:10 am

uh, im ammusing Gary Payton would be your point guard....just a hunch :cool:

by **Repole** on Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:15 am

i mean backup pg...

i'm sure the celts will have a year or two where they win the atlantic, get taken out in the east finals or 2nd round, and go right back into the tank. its useless, its a deal to sell more tickets while ainge can.

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