Cleveland Now Frontrunner for LeBron

[NovU]

That overrated allstar of yours led his team to 33 wins in historically weak ass Eastern Conference. That's with Luol Deng, Varejao, Waiters, and etc. Note that nearly all Cavs roster has already peaked or are shitty prospect. It's entirely a gamble. Ideally you want developed players around LBJ as you don't want to waste any more years of his prime. And rookies take 3-4 years to shape up right. It's even harder alongside players like LBJ if position overlaps.

Cavs are a definite shit team right.

[zz21]

Nah lets keep it 100. you want LeBron. I want LeBron. I'm sure people in Europe want LeBron. Only thing is he want a max deal. Only 2 teams can realistically put a team around him with a max deal, one of which is a young potential gifted team, the other is an aging team of superstar vets. LeBron will think long term on this decision.

[NovU]

Cavs aren't that gifted unless Irving finally decides to develop his junk game positively. Rest of Cavs are piles of diarrhea potential. They already peaked or are shit prospect (Bennett is nobody, Waiter is a minus player, Thompson is average at best, Wiggins is Canadien). There is no long term.

The max contract Heat can offer is Max-max and is superior than the max which the Cavs can offer unless s&t is done which is unlikely.

Only reason LBJ going back to the Cavs would be for sentimental reasons, not for winning.

[Sauru]

I wouldn't be too surprised. You always hated the Heat on a unseen level. Sauru

lebron going back to cleveland is the best possible thing imo. i think it makes a far better story.

Why? Better story? LoL at you young grasshopper, life isn't a fairy tale. He's going to a shit team with shitty history of building it right to contend. I'd rather have him go somewhere else for basketball sake like Houston, Mavericks, or Bulls. Fuck little story that princesses would read before bedtime.

so you are saying you want him to be nothing but a ring chaser? sounds about right.

[NovU]

It's about positioning yourself in more competitive situation within reasons. You just want LBJ back in CLE just for the sake of princess story. Man up Saurucess.

[zz21]

Cavs aren't that gifted unless Irving finally decides to develop his junk game positively.

Rest of Cavs are piles of diarrhea potential. They already peaked or are shit prospect (Bennett is nobody, Waiter is a minus player, Thompson is average at best, Wiggins is Canadien). There is no long term.

The max contract Heat can offer is Max-max and is superior than the max which the Cavs can offer unless s&t is done which is unlikely.

Only reason LBJ going back to the Cavs would be for sentimental reasons, not for winning.

Yea cause its not like LeBron ever put a team on his back and carried them all the way to the finals...

[NovU]

1) Irving never made any improvement since his rookie season. Wall and Lillard meanwhile surpassed Irving.

2) Stromile Swift was a great athlete too.

3) LBJ won it all because he had superior teammates to what current Cavs can offer. Is stupid comparison, you need a lot to win and Cavs are shit atm.

[Sauru]

It's about positioning yourself in more competitive situation within reasons. You just want LBJ back in CLE just for the sake of princess story. Man up Saurucess.

sometimes i think to myself "this guy cannot be that fucking stupid" but you insist on proving me wrong. you want this guy to hop from team to team trying to win a ring when the only place he can go besides miami without taking a big fat shit all over his legacy is cleveland. if you even the slightest bit of a sports fan than you know that stories are why people watch the game. everyone wants to say "i was there when...."

[zz21]

I was there when LeBron didn't shit all over the Cleveland community and the surrounding areas. Cant wait to tell my kids that

[NovU]

It's about positioning yourself in more competitive situation within reasons. You just want LBJ back in CLE just for the sake of princess story. Man up Saurucess.

sometimes i think to myself "this guy cannot be that fucking stupid" but you insist on proving me wrong. you want this guy to hop from team to team trying to win a ring when the only place he can go besides miami without taking a big fat shit all over his legacy is cleveland. if you even the slightest bit of a sports fan than you know that stories are why people watch the game. everyone wants to say "i was there when...."

Except that some fans find your story stupid and boring. I made myself clear that I am basketball first princess story second guy.

Find me fucking stupid, I find you cute.

[zz21]

Fuck you. You made cuteness spill out of my nose . Nah but the fact is the Heat have made 0 moves to even make LeBron consider going. The Cavs and Heat are in the same boat, just 1 has younger players. Also, I'm sure sentimental reasons will have a role in the decision.

[NovU]

Somebody shoot me. Never ever have I expected to say this but LBJ bandwagoners are gonna annoy me to death.

[zz21]

*Cleveland sports bandwagoner

Edit: and dont be mad that my sarcasm makes your sarcasm look like D Wades Crippling knees.

[Mandich]

NovU I've never seen you like this. You look like a teenage girl who's just going to be dumped by her girlfriend. Chill, YOU are being the hater now bashing on Cleveland. And to say that Miami with a washed-up Wade and Bosh-spice is better that loads of talent and possibility in Cleveland is irrational.

Go Cavs I want Miami to burn.

[_Steve_]

NovU has a good point: The Heat made it to the finals for 4 consecutive years. Even if Wade is declining, the Heat, with the big 3, would be a surefire playoff team.
The Cavs on the other hand will have to deal with all kind of chemistry issues (new coach, new Players, Dion & Kyrie) next season, no matter if they are able to sign LeBron or miss on him.

[Mandich]

NovU has a good point: The Heat made it to the finals for 4 consecutive years. Even if Wade is declining, the Heat, with the big 3, would be a surefire playoff team.
The Cavs on the other hand will have to deal with all kind of chemistry issues (new coach, new Players, Dion & Kyrie) next season, no matter if they are able to sign LeBron or miss on him.

I've never said they wouldn't be a playoff team. What team with LeBron wouldn't ?

That's all true, but that teams (if LeBron sings with them) has loaaaads of potential and possibility. LeBron has won it all. I would find Cleveland awfully tempting.

[Sauru]

It's about positioning yourself in more competitive situation within reasons. You just want LBJ back in CLE just for the sake of princess story. Man up Saurucess.

sometimes i think to myself "this guy cannot be that fucking stupid" but you insist on proving me wrong. you want this guy to hop from team to team trying to win a ring when the only place he can go besides miami without taking a big fat shit all over his legacy is cleveland. if you even the slightest bit of a sports fan than you know that stories are why people watch the game. everyone wants to say "i was there when...."

Except that some fans find your story stupid and boring. I made myself clear that I am basketball first princess story second guy.

Find me fucking stupid, I find you cute.

you are not a basketball guy though not even close. you are nothing more than a front runner. for some reason you keep saying princess in each post now do you think all story are only related to a princess? do you think by saying it over and over you will insult me? instead of talking about things all you do is flip out and cry like a little bitch, a person like you will never be able to insult me

[Mandich]

Did I just see Sauru insult someone ? What the....

[Kevin]

Daaamn, this thread is heatin' up!

[NovU]

YOU are being the hater now bashing on Cleveland. And to say that Miami with a washed-up Wade and Bosh-spice is better that loads of talent and possibility in Cleveland is irrational.

That's YOU being deluded, again. I simply don't see why I should like CLE so much when no evidence supports so.

Tell me last time when the team won it all with second best player like Irving on a team? He has little over PER 20 on 29% usage, .126 ws48. His defense stinks. His improvement has been non existent from his rookie season to this year. Why are you so sure he'd be a better sidekick than Bosh or Wade ever was. There absolutely is no evidence that supports that narrative.

Rookie Irving: 109 ORtg : 21.4 PER : .566 TS% shooting
Sophomore Irving: 108 ORtg : 21.4 PER : .553 TS% shooting
3rd Irving: 109 ORtg : 20.1 PER : .533 TS% shooting

Now, somebody please tell me where exactly I could find those loads of talent and possibility from the Cavs? Waiters? Gee? Thompson? Varejao? Bennett? Wiggins?

Truth is none of these players are better than Bosh as of right now and that's including Irving. There was a reason why this team won only 33 games despite being in the ruins of East. Sure the Cavs could make some moves but room for error is much stricter that other teams. LBJ would entirely have to depend on making them better on lone effort and hope for the young talents to develop in a positive direction. That's where the Cavs stand today.

you are not a basketball guy though not even close. you are nothing more than a front runner.

No, you are wrong. On this particular issue, I am a basketball guy and you are a little girl wishing only for a heart warming story.

You stated you'd root for a guy for once in your life when he returns to his hometown (silly if u ask me). I am saying it's a bad basketball decision. You want a bedtime story which the Cavs offer better. I want a basketball superteam which the other teams offer better.




That said, I am not going to criticize LBJ's decision even if he ends up in Cleveland. It's his hometown, his family and friends are there. It's a cool story indeed. But it's clear he's going to a less competitive team with shit history/record and where there's much work cut out to do roster wise. LBJ just hit 30 in age. His time is closing in. I'd hate to see his talent being wasted and watered down because of incompetent teammates and management much like with Kevin Love in Wolves.

[Mandich]

That's YOU being deluded, again. I simply don't see why I should like CLE so much when no evidence supports so.

Where did I said you should like it? You're a so caleld Heat fan, you should hate it.

Now, somebody please tell me where exactly I could find those loads of talent and possibility from the Cavs?

Waiters? Gee? Thompson? Varejao? Bennett? Wiggins?

Sure the Cavs could make some moves but room for error is much stricter that other teams.

That's with or without LeBron? Either case they are in a much better position compared to Miami.

LBJ would entirely have to depend on making them better on lone effort and hope for the young talents to develop in a positive direction.

That's why it's caleld potential.

That said, I am not going to criticize LBJ's decision

You're doing it now and he ain't even made one.

But it's clear he's going to a less competitive team with shit history/record

First of, fucking history doesn't win championships.... why do people keep talking about it. History belongs in the history, not the present.

Oh yes a crippled Wade with Granger and McRoberts are way more competitive. Irving, Thompson, Varejao, Wiggins and Waiters are all bitches and leBron should hate them.

and where there's much work cut out to do roster wise.

Compared to whom? Miami? lol.

My point is wherever LeBron goes, he's going to be in a position to win something, but as of right now, the Cavs look much better.

[NovU]

Why are you doing this again? Just saying it so doesn't make your argument valid especially without no real ground to back it up. Your use of quote is just awful as they serve no real purpose.

My point is wherever LeBron goes, he's going to be in a position to win something, but as of right now, the Cavs look much better.

So... the post above contains your back up on why it is so? Then I disagree as it is weak and baseless and stupid. I will leave it at that.

[Andrew]

At this point, LeBron should just go to Phoenix instead. M. Night Shyamalan himself couldn't devise a better twist than that.

[Mandich]

LOL at Miami's official website still showing LeBron as a part of their roster.

Why are you doing this again? J

Doing what again?

Your use of quote is just awful as they serve no real purpose.

They serve as they divide certain aspects of a posts from each other, in return making them easier to read. If you don't a purpose in them it's your problem, not mine.

My point is wherever LeBron goes, he's going to be in a position to win something, but as of right now, the Cavs look much better.

So... the post above contains your back up on why it is so? Then I disagree as it is weak and baseless and stupid. I will leave it at that.

Well for starters, the Cavs are much deeper W/LeBron compared to the Heat. You have a point guard that is a proven shooter, ball-handler and scorer who can take some offensive load off of LeBron. His defense is shaky, but he brings a LOT to the table. Then you have Wiggins who IS a proven scorer. When you play him alongside LeBron and Irving, the pressure of him to score 30 a night which was thought when he just went to college dissappears and he can play his natural game. There's also Dion Waiters, who if not a part of the team could easily be traded somewhere else. I see him as an ideal 6th man because of his scoring ability. Then there's the much improved Tristan Thompson who is likely to come of the bench as well because LeBron would probably play the 4. Tristan Thompson AND Dion Waiters of the bench. Awesome. Oh yeah and then there's the crazy guy named Varejao. Rebounding, defense, all the other things Bosh couldn't do in Miami, he can. And he doesn't even need to score given the fact Cleveland would have so many offensive weapons, but is still liekly to score 10 a night. Gee and Miles would be veeery useful as the 15-20 minute role players, and even Bennett could contribute in a way if he gets his shit together.

Let's go to Miami.

Wade is certain to come back, but is declining and bailing more and more because of his body. Even if Bosh does come back you are right, LeBron is 30. It was clear this year he needs some more help rather then being an one man show. Bosh still brings no defense and rebounding, which in return demands LeBron to play every aspect of the game to the max, sucking his energy up every play to the max. Beasley is an idiot, Cole and Chalmers are nowhere near the level Irving is, Allen is inhuman but is 50, who do you haveleft? Oden? Granger? mcRoberts?

And you still can't see which team is the better fit? And yet I'm Delusional and my posts are stupid ?

You should've had left it at that.

NovU please.

[NovU]

LoL, I told you this. Because you say so with confidence, it doesn't make it true. See how you are throwing out big lines yet it's so wrong? I am not going to go deep because it's stupid and meaningless but here's a sample how I can destroy you and your big folly claims.

You have a point guard that is a proven shooter, ball-handler and scorer who can take some offensive load off of LeBron.

Let's see how your proven shooter fares. Using latest 2014 stats,
Irving: .533 TS%
Wade: .588 TS%
Bosh: .597 TS%

Proven ball handler, how does he compare?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... noverRatio
34th in AST/TO
29th in AP48M
14th in APG
21st in AST%
Nothing special.

Scoring? It's easier to score more by taking more shots yourself.