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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:06 pm

wow. I enjoyed, lucky to not have any issues with the WWE Network either.

Only got 2 of my predictions right, lol. Time for spoilers

Tag match was fun
HHH DB was fine, especially to kick off
Shield was, a squash? HHH DB musta run over time or something
ARMBAR was surprising, but great for Cesaro, that was impressive, props to Kofi yet again
Cena vs Wyatt was amazing, loved all of that, the entrances, the crowd singing and swaying, Cena winning =/= riot, it was well done. That freakout during the 5 knuckle was brilliant
Taker losing to Brock is only OK with me if Brock becomes full time....because yea, that almost felt like it was a mistake
Divas, well, they at least showed some good moves in the last part of the match, yay for AJ
DB winning, done wellish, couple great spots, but pretty sloppy in the beginning, but yay overall


I heard a lot of backstage/non-Kayfabe talk during the network stream, same with convos in the ring. I mean I know it happens, I am a fan of Botchamania, but I never really heard it before. I'd say it was the best Wrestlemania overall that I've seen since I started watching again (25+). Other than that, it was a damn good PPV and well worth $10 :)


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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:17 pm

Hogan opening by welcoming all the WWF fans to the Silverdome was gold. The next half an hour of nothing happening was decidedly less so.

Bryan won, and that'll be Taker's last match ever, but outside of that it was very meh. Nothing over *** and only one match made it that far, IMO (and the wrong guy went over). Tag title match may have been MOTN, but nobody without the Network got to see it, which is 99% of the world's population. And it'll likely be edited for time on the Blu-Ray.

HHH-Bryan **½
Shield-Kane/Outlaws *
Battle Royal **
Cena-Wyatt ***
Taker-Brock **
Divas ½*
Triple Threat **½

Whose job was it to get rid of the TV monitor Orton landed on? That looked nasty.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:22 pm

:lol: at this:

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:18 am

Ok, so WM XXX was the first wrestling show I've watched in literally 10+ years. I've maybe caught 5 - 10 minutes of a half-dozen RAWs, if that, over the last decade, so I'm entirely out of the loop. I missed the entirety of Batista's career. When I stopped watching, he was like a bodyguard, from what I remember. However, I read a primer and thought that WM XXX seemed pretty interesting, so I got the WWE Network for $9.99 and figured it would be a fun way to spend a Sunday evening while my fiance is in Florida visiting family...

I am pretty much entirely disappointed in the whole show. It was boring. The story-lines weren't compelling. The action wasn't great, with few exceptions. There's no more Evening Gown Matches, and I actually have to watch women try and wrestle. My teenage self is rolling over in his non-literal grave after that. Really aside from the Wyatt v. Cena match, which had some moments, and was at least entertaining, the rest was pretty bleh. Even the crowd wasn't into most of what went on.

I enjoyed the pre-show tag match. Was cool being introduced to these characters. Immediately liked Cesaro cause he rocks the same haircut that I do, but his thigh things are super-weird and he should just wear knee pads instead. Looks like, after that match and the subsequent Battle Royal, like he may get some sort of mid-card singles push.

I was hoping for some vintage Triple H. Some flying knees off of an Irish whip, or the pause and face-buster knee off the ropes that he always used to do. Instead I got 20 minutes of kicking and punching, and no real solid spots. Bryan took some solid bumps, but I think the extent of Triple H's was the sunset flip powerbomb off the turnbuckle. It was underwhelming, which was the feel of the night as a whole. At least the crowd was into this one, rallying behind Daniel Bryan.

The Six-Man Tag should've been an opening match on Sunday Night HeAT (remember that show?). I had heard a lot of good things about how cool Shield was, but I didn't get to really see anything cause it was a major squash. I also didn't get to tease my nostalgia by having Road Dogg and Billy Gunn to their old mic intro, which I was hoping for.

I think I knew a total of six guys who were actually in the Battle Royal. Again, I haven't watched wrestling in ten years. I recognized Big Show, Mark Henry, Rey Mysterio Jr., and a few others. Match was pretty boring, aside from my big bald boss man Cesaro, who might be my new favorite wrestler.

If you told me that Bray Wyatt was the Yellow King, I'd believe you immediately. He looks like he likes to make flowers quite a bit. The red-head with the goat mask will haunt my nightmares for the immediate future, and I think I'd like to see this group as the primary Heel stable in the WWE. Like a less-campy Ministry. Just doing bizarre stuff that people in the Northeast are terrified of. I don't know how the other two guys wrestle, but if they're good workers, I'm all in on them. Bray's sweatpants looked like they were covered in the tears of all the children he's abducted and molested. I know Cena is the guy who wrestling people love to hate, similarly to how Steve Austin was after he got 'too popular'. Then everyone was uber-critical of his limited move set, work rate, etc. Cena was fine in this match. His schtick is unbelievable and lame to everyone over age 13, though. I'd like to see a heel turn if they ever want to push him to the Main Event again, to see if he can handle it the way The Rock did. I'm probably grasping at straws. That being said, it's really unfortunate that this was literally the match of the night. It was enjoyable, but certainly not the caliber of being 'the best match at Wrestle Mania'.

Undertaker v. Brock was the most boring thing of my entire life. Painfully slow, and not in a 'cerebral, feeling each other out' way. They're just not good workers. Taker cause he's like 60, and Brock cause he's just a roided mass of trash. I didn't really feel upset about the result, because I was so pre-occupied with how bad the match I just saw was. Oooooh, a third F-5? They each kicked out of each other's finishers the same way that every single other wrestler did in every single other match? If I was going to watch Taker wrestle his last match, I would've liked it to be enjoyable, win, lose, or draw.

Divas -- I yearn for the days of Evening Gown Matches and Mud Wrestling Matches, and the horrible objectifying and sexualization of females in the WWE. I don't care about this match for the same reason I don't care about the WNBA. If I'm going to watch wrestling, I want to watch the best do it well. If you're going to throw scantly clad women out there, let them be 95% naked and spanking each other like they did when I was 16 and I actually looked forward to seeing Sable and Torrie Wilson et al. Otherwise, "get off my damn lawn."/seniormoment

Main Event -- Batista looks like he's 50 and works like he's 60. I thought he was older than the Undertaker. Was he ever good? As I said earlier, I missed his entire era of wrestling in my absence. Orton is pretty lame, too. Only good spot was the table one, which I practically begged for 60 seconds before it happened (I said to Jon, in my Attitude Era of the WWF, the Spanish announce table wouldn't have made it through the first match, nevermind 3 and a half hours of WrestleMania.) Despite the enjoyability of seeing Bryan win, it was still an underwhelming match and an underwhelming finish. I was saying to Jon that, I prefer Main Eventers who have a versatile, high impact finisher. Orton's finisher is pretty much the antithesis of this (I might not have used the word antithesis right there). I'd like to, along with the submissions and flying kicks/knees, see Bryan add a high impact grapple finisher to his arsenal.

For the guys who have been watching consistently, am I way off-base here? Are the shows generally more enjoyable than that??
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:48 am

bigh0rt wrote:For the guys who have been watching consistently, am I way off-base here? Are the shows generally more enjoyable than that??

Not at all, you have a great outside/lapsed view on the PPV. Me personally, probably one of the best PPVs I've seen, but only because of storylines and backstage stuff, and not so much in the ring. It kinda feels like Stockholm Syndrome, but yea, I really enjoyed it.
In the past few years, the crowd got behind many different wrestlers, only to have creative shut them down because Vince didn't build them up himself. Ryder and Ziggler are the two best examples, next to DB. DB won the title at Summerslam only to have it taken away by Orton with MiTB. Then it was month after month of him winning, but having the title taken away, or getting screwed over. The difference being that the crowds were so into him winning, that they took over the Royal Rumble this year. DB was taken out of the title picture for a quick feud with Wyatt, and was then open to entering the Rumble. When he didn't enter the rumble, the crowd lost their collective shit, booing Mysterio, and the eventual winner Batista into the ground. Think of it more of the audience taking over and saying the show and booking is shit, instead of reacting to the booking.
The build to WM owned up to a lot of this, and they've been dropping this "Reality Era" name lately, breaking the 4th wall a bit more and blurring good/bad guys and real/kayfabe. But yes, simply saying "I wish to be entertained, here is $10 and 4 hours of my time" didn't get you far last night, but for me watching regularly, damn, it was good. Going forward, it looks like E will be more around better storylines and some decent in ring stuff, about a year ago it was 100% story and crappy in ring.

Now, for you, here are some recommended recent stuff from WWE Network.
Punk vs Cena on RAW - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31319249/ ... e/31348055
Nominee for match of the year. This qualifies as MoTY honors nowadays.
Shield vs Hell No and Ryback - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31288929/ ... e/31348023
TLC pin/submission match. Should be more of what you are looking for in a match. This was the Shield's debut match.
Shield vs Wyatts - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31678253 (55:00 markish)
Great 3v3 between these two teams at the last PPV.
Ya boi Cesaro vs Sami - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31397473 (highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTqHH0NFKu4 )
The third of their NXT matches. Their second one was better, but this was good too.
HBK vs Taker I & II - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31305869/milestone/ - http://network.wwe.com/video/v31294203/ ... e/31340911
Will ruin HBK for you probably, but still, some good Undi matches.

Other guys should weigh in on other great recent stuff.

TNA is the shitty underdog promotion. They are in a perpetual state of "going out of business" according to everyone on the Internet, but they put on great matches with really crappy storylines. They have Bubba Ray Dudley (had Devon, he's gone though), Bobby Lashley, Jeff Hardy (Matt is in the indies), Kurt Angle, and Tazz on commentary. They got some hot women too, like, attitude era definition of hot.

Gail Kim vs Taryn Terrell - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x122wk ... atch_sport
I know you prefer your oily men wrasslin to the ladies doing it, but this was a hell of a match.

and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_TKf9vkJ8
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but other than that, I don't really know what to recommend. TNA does such good work then terrible work that its tough to remember which matches were really good. A lot of their stuff is available on YouTube and Dailymotion though, so a search of TNA and wrestler name will bring up plenty....but nothing I can directly recommend, especially since WWE recently got their shit together. TNA does do more head shots and crazy shit in the ring compared to E though.

For crazier stuff with wicked bumps and spots, you need to look at the independents. Pro Wrestling Guerrilla has the spots, Chikara is crazy (like comic book meets wrestling crazy, its all in fun), and CZW still runs ultra-deathmatches with barbwire, cage of death, light bulbs, etc.
Chikara insanity - viewtopic.php?f=22&t=33327&p=1696136#p1696136
PWG so wrong to omgwtfwow (watch to end) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU8F_vLDwDA
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Also holy fuck - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYNV9t-JjTw
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oh, and here is Cesaro vs one of the Wyatts in the indies years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpldHZfMlI
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So yea, this thread is pretty damn good for our impressions of the last few years. I guess I'm "the" TNA guy, Andrew WWE, Lean is a Punk guy, and koberulez is a smark with high standards :P You'll fit right in
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:41 am

Also, Jarrett just announced his promotion, GFW, Global Force Wrestling. Press release claimed 400 wrestlers could be involved and it will take advantage of the clued in fan and fan interaction. #
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby formx on Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:14 am

JaoSming wrote:but other than that, I don't really know what to recommend.


I'd recommend NJPW, but I'm probably the only one on the forum who watches that. :lol:

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby PepsiWithCoke on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:53 am

"WWE.com can confirm that, following last's night historic match with Brock Lesnar, The Undertaker was immediately taken to Ochsner Medical Center. After a CT scan and other medical testing, he was diagnosed with a severe concussion and was kept overnight for further evaluation. He was discharged early Monday afternoon."
Read more at http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE ... t9YGXB5.99


So that's why he was completely out of it.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:58 am

HHH vs Bryan
HHH in rasslemania is not complete without a cheesy entrance from him, he did not disappoint.
This joke was more entertaining than the match...
Daniel Bryan lost to Triple H via interference from Sting


New Age Outlaws & Kane vs The Shield
WTF was that :!: :?:
As much as I hate the NAO that match was pathetic. Only reason that match would make sense is if WWE gave The Shield a massive dick slapping the crowd monstrous push than they ever had before.

Battle Royal
This match reminded me of the WWE wasting Alberto del Rio's wrestling talent and by the looks of it the same will happen to Cesaro.

Cena vs Bray Wyatt
I want a match with less 'mind games' from Wyatt and him just going full on insane during the match, we know he's capable of the work, would be fun. It was definitely better than the succeeding match...

Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker
Only entertaining part of the match was the crowd reactions.
I want a gif of that, the collective reaction from the crowd after the match, it's like the crowd saw a puppy/kitten/rabbit being kicked in the face.

Divas
I agree with this fine gentleman's opinion...
bigh0rt wrote:I yearn for the days of......the horrible objectifying and sexualization of females in the WWE. I don't care about this match for the same reason I don't care about the WNBA. If I'm going to watch wrestling, I want to watch the best do it well. If you're going to throw scantly clad women out there, let them be 95% naked and spanking each other...
female wrestlers that can wrestle < females wrestlers that can wrestle AND display ass and tittays
It's rasslemania the audience deserves the latter!

Bootista vs Randy Orton vs Daniel Bryan
Batista's clueless more so when Bryan and Orton went down, he didn't know what to do next. Doesn't help either when JBL was spewing logic that made perfect sense ruining the 'story' of the match.
Hard to appreciate the match compared to the triple threat match between HBK, HHH, and the suicide murderer because it's the current standard for me when it comes to triple threat matches in rasslemania.
Also can't enjoy the match because the result is expected and just a correction of the WWE for the huge flustercuck that they did.

Overall I should have left the house and did shite I was supposed to do instead of waiting and watching WMXXX.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:12 am

bigh0rt wrote:For the guys who have been watching consistently, am I way off-base here? Are the shows generally more enjoyable than that??


I'd say yes and no. It's certainly not a golden era for the WWE but you might have enjoyed the show a little more if you were more familiar with the current storylines and wrestlers. I imagine the amount of "Who the hell is that?" and "OK, so what's the history to this feud?" you were probably thinking through most of the show would have been distracting. Also, for what it's worth, Taker's last few matches at Wrestlemania have been show stealers despite the fact he's pushing 50 and pretty beaten up at this point, so his bout with Lesnar turning out to be so bad was out of the norm and certainly disappointing.

I was actually really enjoying the show up until that point. It's not as though every match was a five star affair, but I felt most of them were good enough, had a couple of cool moments and told a decent enough story. However, Undertaker/Lesnar was such a disappointment for a number of reasons that it brought the whole show down for me. But I'll get to that.

The opening segment was great. Normally, you wouldn't want to take up too much time on a major PPV with a promo, especially involving three guys who aren't going to wrestle, but it was a cool moment to have Hogan, Rock and Austin in the ring at the same time. It was fun and the crowd got into it, despite Hogan's "Silverdome" slip up. As far as "Wrestlemania moments" are concerned, that was a fine one to have for the big three-oh.

Daniel Bryan vs HHH being the first match made sense and was a very good one, in my opinion. Fast paced, Bryan's high risk stuff was entertaining, and he was booked as an underdog that still had a legitimate chance and belonged in the same ring as Hunter. I liked the story they told with him being injured further, as I figured it would make the pay-off much bigger.

The six-man tag match wasn't anything special, but The Shield were made to look strong and the double-triple powerbomb was something a little different for a cool finish. Kinda forgettable, but a couple of good spots made it fun enough to watch for me.

The 30-man Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal was kind of messy as one would expect, but again I thought a few good spots (those uppercuts by Cesaro!) as the ring was cleared made it a little more enjoyable and I liked what they did with the finish. Kofi Kingston's spot where he avoided being eliminated was creative and a clever continuation of his habit of avoiding elimination on a technicality after he's thrown from the ring. Cesaro clearly has a bright future though and as the match entered its final stages, it did a decent job of helping him with his push by making him look dominant and ultimately getting the win.

Cena vs Wyatt wasn't spectacular as far as ring work is concerned, but I thought it was solid and I actually liked the story they were telling, with Wyatt getting in Cena's head and him almost losing it. You can certainly argue that Wyatt should have gone over and I think that would've helped in extending the feud, but he was still made to look pretty good in defeat. It's one of the more interesting things they've done with Cena in a while and keeps him out of the title picture for the moment, which is refreshing. Bray popping up and freaking Cena out when he was going for that first 5 Knuckle Shuffle was awesome, a very creepy visual and well-executed spot as far as the story of the match went.

So yeah, at this point, I'm enjoying the show for what it is. The in-ring action has been enjoyable enough as far as I'm concerned, some good spots (a couple of really good and awesome ones), the storytelling has been solid...time for the Undertaker's match.

Now, when Taker came out in the hat and the coat instead of the gothic hood and cloak, it honestly did cross my mind that this could be a farewell match and the end of The Streak. It would've been even more obvious if he came out wearing the mortician's gloves. Of course I dismissed that thought after a moment, as there's no way they'd end The Streak, especially with Brock Lesnar...right? Anyway, I thought the hat and coat were pretty badass, and the entrance was great as usual.

Sadly, the match was not a good one. It was too slow-paced and their styles just didn't mesh well. The crowd wasn't in to it and as much as I wanted to be, I couldn't get into it either. The fact that Taker suffered a concussion obviously didn't help and in retrospect might have made it a little more forgivable, but given the importance of the match and Brock's recklessness as a worker, it also goes to show that the whole thing just wasn't a good idea from the start.

And then, we get to the finish. Brock Lesnar wins and ends The Streak. It certainly was shocking and unexpected, but then so was a lot of stuff that Vince Russo did and we're not giving him any credit for that. It completely killed the crowd and when it happened, it looked like a mistake.

I'm admittedly an Undertaker fan, so I'm biased here, but I felt that he had earned the right to retire with The Streak intact. However, if you were going to end it, the honour should've gone to someone who was going to benefit from it long-term, not a guy who's a part-timer who has very little love of the business. Such a big moment deserved a worthier opponent and a better match, especially it also appears to be Undertaker's retirement bout. I was very disappointed in the way that it went down and it certainly affected my enjoyment of the rest of the show.

I understand that it was Undertaker's call, and that Lesnar was his choice. So in that regard, I respect his decision and the fact that he wanted to do the honours on his way out. However, the execution was bad, the result was poor and I think that it was a huge mistake. Just terrible.

AJ Lee went over in the Vickie Guerrero Invitational. I'm kinda glad because she's my favourite Diva and I think she's been misused despite the long title reign (and on the wrong side of the face/heel alignment as far as feuds with the Total Divas are concerned), but immediately following Taker/Lesnar, I just didn't care. Apparently Vickie might be finishing up with the company and her reaction after the match could be setting that up. I really wouldn't mind that; there was a time when she was a really good heel but at this point, her screeching is annoying in a bad way. There was a time when I felt it made her a good heel authority figure but it's become too much. Anyway, yeah, typical Divas fare, probably a good idea to use it as a buffer after Taker/Lesnar, and I just didn't care or pay much attention to it.

I was still feeling that hangover in the main event, but they did get the crowd back into it. The spot with the tables was brutal with Orton getting his back sliced up. The match kind of dragged when it was just Orton and Batista, but they weren't horrible and whenever Bryan was in there, things were going pretty well. I enjoyed seeing The Authority receive some payback, though I just hope it doesn't result in him being stripped of the title on RAW. In any case, it was great to see Bryan get his Wrestlemania moment and win the title. Hopefully he'll have a good run, I think winning two matches at Wrestlemania and going over three main eventers in the process is an encouraging sign that they have faith in him and they're going to try and ride his momentum for a while. But we'll see.

At the end of the day, I feel it wasn't a completely awful show because there was some entertaining stuff, but the debacle that was Taker/Lesnar does cast a shadow over the event, especially for me as an Undertaker fan. These two videos basically sum up my opinion of the whole situation:

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But, having said that, I can appreciate the better matches on the card and the fun moments here and there. I'd say it's easily my least favourite Wrestlemania, but I didn't hate every single moment of it.

I guess I'll just choose to reflect on Taker's great career and its highlights, since he's obviously calling it a day. #ThankYouTaker indeed.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:54 am

RAW is off to its normal crazy post-WM stuff. Completely behind Wyatts and against Cena (btw, Cena was still acting scared of Bray, so that is going to continue past WM). Also DB vs HHH for the titles and Evolution vs Usos.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:31 am

Now the counting starts on how many months Bryan retains either belt before he loses one to HHH since Trips is in wrestling shape again. Yes, fans need another HHH title reign like they need the New Age Outlaws back, damn WWE.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:57 am

I kinda wished they'd just put the Shield vs. Wyatts match at WrestleMania instead of the Chamber PPV. The Hell-NAO vs Shield match was kind of a drag and the storyline is kinda rushed too.

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Still hoping for a Punk comeback and feud with Bryan for the title!

EDIT: Paige now the new Divas champ.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:36 pm

I'm hoping they'll end the Corporate Kane angle soon. I do believe that everything needs to be given a chance as some ideas that may seem silly on paper can work out ("An undead zombie Western undertaker? Yeah, like that's a gimmick that'll last!"), but it's done nothing for a character that has had a long and successful run beginning in the Attitude Era.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Lean wrote:I kinda wished they'd just put the Shield vs. Wyatts match at WrestleMania instead of the Chamber PPV. The Hell-NAO vs Shield match was kind of a drag and the storyline is kinda rushed too.

well, they are doing it again for Main Event on the Network tomorrow
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Yea but Kane as a monster goes up and down putting people over. Granted this isn't much better than Hell No since he talked then and now, but IMO Glenn Jacobs fits this role very well, even if Kane doesn't.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:45 pm

True, Kane's probably one of the more inconsistently booked characters after they had him talk for the first time, but I feel this is probably the worst incarnation. That said, you do have a good point there. As much as I think it's bad for the Kane character, I'd agree that Glenn Jacobs is doing his best with it.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:58 pm

Glad to see Cesaro go over. I had no idea who this guy was when i started watching again and he was already in the US championship picture. I watched one match and I was hooked from there. Love his work in the ring. Very solid, old-school type. I really liked the "We The People" gimmick but hopefully he can steal that

WMXXX was mostly predictable. I had the Taker match spoiled by yahoo front page during the same evening :lol: and i gotta say was a little surprised, but as I mentioned in my predictions, he is friends with Brock and could have (and probably did) use that as his "retirement match" as all great legends finally go down. Not sure if it was the concussion or what, but Take just seemed really old. His strength is just not there anymore and he had a very hard time lifting and keeping Brock up. Yes, he is not a spring chicken anymore and Brock is almost 300 pounds, but it's just sad to see the Undertaker who I grew up seeing as indestructible, the Phenom, being reduced to a shell of himself... not being able to even do the Tombstone correctly.

Jesus, the whole Bryan thing was so overdone, so predictable, it just made for bad programming for anyone that's in tune with the whole Rumble backlash thing. So it was a given he was going to win and HHH looked pretty average especially since he doesn't wrestle anymore. obviously less steroids now too. I honestly haven't been a fan of his after his DX days (with Chyna, XPac, NAO) and marrying into the company has turned him into one of the lamest wrestlers ever.

Championship match had a few cool spots. OUCH at Orton landing back first onto that TV monitor. I didn't think we'd see HHH try to interfere but I really didn't expect him to bring in another referee so I loled at that. props to the suicide dive into HHH, Armstrong & Stephanie. Also, great false finish towards the end. Made me think twice about what was gonna happen. But my god whatever new cameraman they have or new style was pissing me off. They kept zooming way in to "surprise" people with the next spot with Daniel Bryan seemingly coming out of nowhere but it would piss me off because I would have to rewind to watch it again or wait for a replay to see wtf happened. made it a lot less enjoyable to watch. and :lol: @ Batista having a full on conversation with Orton after the table spot on what to do next.

Was a little surprised they didn't turn Roman Reigns, they turned the whole shield. I think that was a better move to build them all up (especially Reigns) before turning him into a main eventer.

seemed like they didn't have a whole lot of star power for this WM. no big-name celebrities other than Hogan "hosting" and messing up on his promo, and they had to wheel out HHH & Taker and pay Batista & Brock to bring some big names in. Loved the bit w/ Austin & Rock.

and in response to Jao's suggestions:
some of the little TNA stuff I've seen in a long time include Tara/Victoria & Mickie James in a Steel cage match, AWESOME KONG (damn, I wish she had a good run in WWE like she was supposed to), and Jay Lethal's gimmick overall and his feud with Ric Flair was fucking hilarious.

some WWE stuff: anything with Cesaro, (N) R (N) V (N) D ladder matches (i am really happy to see him come back), the whole Golddust comeback angle or at least some of the later tag matches after the comeback, some of the Money in the bank Ladder matches & TLC matches have been pretty good for the spots.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:24 pm

Raw was way better than Mania.

They had the right structure with AJ, but they did it completely wrong. Firstly, they shouldn't have taken five minutes to mention Paige's name for the live crowd. Apart from that...why was Paige even there? She either needed to side with AJ on the whole Total Divas thing, and make a bit more of a deal about that, or she needed to come in with AJ saying she'd beat everyone there was and point out that AJ hadn't beat her. And having her win in a fluke was just ridiculous.
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Postby Lean on Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:50 pm

Probably a set up for the next PPV where they could put up a decent match. I've seen matches with Paige and for sure I'm missing on a lot but that match with Emma on Arrival was awesome.

I prefer her Britany Knight ring name though.

Qballer wrote:(N) R (N) V (N) D


Nice. :lol:
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Postby JaoSming on Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:27 am

damn, another great match, Shield vs Wyatts III? on main event
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:49 am

koberulz wrote:They had the right structure with AJ, but they did it completely wrong. Firstly, they shouldn't have taken five minutes to mention Paige's name for the live crowd. Apart from that...why was Paige even there? She either needed to side with AJ on the whole Total Divas thing, and make a bit more of a deal about that, or she needed to come in with AJ saying she'd beat everyone there was and point out that AJ hadn't beat her. And having her win in a fluke was just ridiculous.

Agreed. There was no build up and if I've never watched NXT, I'd be completely lost. SHould've at least had her come out with her belt and have her congratulate her "from one champ to another" and have her carry both around.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:16 pm

That was my issue when Seth was NXT champ and was part of the SHIELD (or was he still champion when he debuted with the SHIELD) and when Big E was NXT champ while working as Dolph's bodyguard.

But I think Paige is gonna carry both belts on NXT though.

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Postby PepsiWithCoke on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:50 pm

https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/453739508266057728

Saddened to announce the passing of the Ultimate Warrior. Icon and friend. My sympathy to his wife Dana and his daughters


What in the name of fuck?

Did Triple H get hacked?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby PepsiWithCoke on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Holy shit, It's real, Warrior is dead http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warr ... y-26223975

RIP.
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Postby JaoSming on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:57 pm

WHAT THA FUCK??!?! dude....how.
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