Kidd wants out?

by **Amphatoast** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:10 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1849330

looks like as many expected, Kidd wants to be traded. I don't blame the guy, cuz the Nets are jus have one of the worst offseasons I could think of going from championship contenders ( at least close to) to scratch..similar to the post-jordan bulls[/quote]

Website · by **Carlos Boozer** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:38 am

You are scarface

by **Jay-Peso** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:40 am

It's sad to see this happen.

They were a really good team for a little while. I don't know why they even thought about getting rid of K-mart but that's their decision and NOW Kidd wants out? It looks like they are not going to be making any noise this year what so ever.

by **Full Surface** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:47 am

Possibilities:

Houston
Dallas
San Antonio

I'm not sure if SA still wants him because Parker is doing a fine job.

by **Amphatoast** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:13 am

haha can i say Knicks #3 Seed being division champions?

time for all the nets bandwagon people to jump off now

by **j.23** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:36 am

man whoever is running the nets management is fucking stupid, i still cant believe they dismantled a team that made it to the nba finals 2 of the last 3 seasons.. hopefully kidd can find the right team to play with, i'd love to see him play with denver or the clips..

by **PiksS** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:46 am

refuze wrote:Possibilities:

Houston
Dallas
San Antonio

I'm not sure if SA still wants him because Parker is doing a fine job.

Houston would be great

by **kevC** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:30 am

PiksS wrote:
refuze wrote:Possibilities:

Houston
Dallas
San Antonio

I'm not sure if SA still wants him because Parker is doing a fine job.

Houston would be great

I 2nd that! Kidd, T Mac, Yao... *drool* Of course, Kidd would have to take a major pay cut... but who knows? He probably wants a ring more than anyone since he was close twice...

by **j.23** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:11 am

can houston afford it?

by **Carmo** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:42 am

kevC wrote:
PiksS wrote:
refuze wrote:Possibilities:

Houston
Dallas
San Antonio

I'm not sure if SA still wants him because Parker is doing a fine job.

Houston would be great

I 2nd that! Kidd, T Mac, Yao... *drool* Of course, Kidd would have to take a major pay cut... but who knows? He probably wants a ring more than anyone since he was close twice...

It would have to be a trade so his salary wouldn't change.

can houston afford it?

It would be a trade so if they give the right players then they can afford it.

by **Mikki** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:58 am

Spurs, Lakers, Mavs potential Destination
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The San Antonio Spurs, Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks are the three teams that most intrigue Jason Kidd as possible destinations if he demands a trade from the New Jersey Nets, league sources told ESPN.com.

Kidd has expressed interest in moving to each of those teams in the past month, sources said, in the wake of the Nets discarding starters Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles.

Kidd wants out after seeing several teammates leave N.J.

Kidd was on the verge of leaving New Jersey and signing outright with San Antonio in July 2003, but sources indicate that the Spurs -- on top of concerns about Kidd's surgically repaired left knee -- now feel they lack the financial flexibility to bring Kidd in via trade after re-signing Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili and adding Rasho Nesterovic and Brent Barry over the past two summers.

The Lakers, meanwhile, don't appear interested in taking on Kidd's contract, sources said, since a Kidd-Kobe Bryant backcourt partnership would keep L.A. well over the salary cap for the rest of the decade.

One source close to Kidd said there's a belief in the point guard's camp that Dallas' Mark Cuban is the only owner out there who'd be willing to absorb the five years and $90 million-plus left on the deal Kidd signed last summer ... and with Kidd expected to miss the start of the season after microfracture surgery on the 31-year-old's left knee on July 1.

The Mavericks' interest is by no means certain, though. Dallas declined to offer Steve Nash more than $36 million over four guaranteed seasons in part because of fears that the 30-year-old could not physically handle a longer contract, prompting Nash to sign with Phoenix. Re-acquiring Kidd, who was drafted by the Mavericks in 1994, would potentially cost them more long-term than Dallas' recent attempts to trade for Shaquille O'Neal. Kidd would likely have to prove his health to the Mavericks before even a gambler such as Cuban would take that risk.

Yet unlike the Spurs, who presently lack trade-friendly contracts, Dallas and the Lakers have trade assets that could satisfy the apparent cost-cutting intentions of incoming Nets owner Bruce Ratner ... and enough leftover talent on their rosters to contend for the championship after adding Kidd.

The Mavericks can package the expiring contract of former Eastern Conference All-Star forward Antoine Walker and promising swingman Josh Howard in a swap for Kidd. The Lakers have two expiring contracts (Gary Payton and Rick Fox) and more than one inexpensive young player (Kareem Rush and Luke Walton) to offer the Nets if they change course and decide to pursue Kidd.

The bigger unknown is how New Jersey would respond to a trade demand. Ratner could refuse and attempt to rebuild the franchise around Kidd and Richard Jefferson. But it's believed that Kidd has no interest, at his age, in a rebuilding project. As leverage to force a trade, Kidd could attempt to draw out his recovery from knee surgery, increasing the chances that the Nets will struggle early next season and encounter even more trouble than expected attracting fans to Continental Airlines Arena as a Brooklyn-bound lameduck.

Holding off San Antonio to re-sign Kidd last summer was supposed to bring stability to the Nets and cement them as an East power after back-to-back trips to the NBA Finals. New Jersey has instead seen nothing but tumult in the year since, starting with release of Dikembe Mutombo and the failed comeback Alonzo Mourning, the center Kidd urged the Nets to sign. The firing of coach Byron Scott soon followed, in spite of Kidd's season-long knee troubles, and the tumult continued after a brief renaissance under new coach Lawrence Frank, ending with a second-round playoff exit. Since then, the controversial ownership change and Martin's departure in a sign-and-trade with Denver have sparked fears that Kidd will try to force his way out.

NBA commissioner David Stern, who attended Team USA's scrimmage Friday at the University of North Florida, disputes the notion that the Nets are simply dumping assets to cut costs.

"In some ways, I think you now see the Nets following the Denver model," Stern said. "Where you have draft picks and cap room and a key player or two, and you build the team around that over time."

Although Ratner's ownership group has not been formally approved by the league, Stern said he expects the approval in the near future. Stern added that a specially appointed finance committee was likely to vote on Ratner's group by Monday at the latest and then forward their recommendation to the NBA's Board of Governors for final approval.

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:38 pm

After they way they traded K-Mart and Kittles, I wouldn't be suprised if they ended up getting a few 2nd Round picks for Kidd

by **Full Surface** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:10 pm

Houston doesn't have enough trade bait

Dallas has Laettner and Stackhouse.

LA could give up plenty of players.

SA might be able to get rid of Parker (bad choice IMO, he has more years left than Kidd).

by **Amphatoast** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:16 pm

i have a feeling he is going to dallas for Antione Walker and one of there young guards.
Kidd isn't a bad replacement for Nash, probably a upgrade over Nash..less points, but more passes and good defender.

by **-BHZMAFIA-** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:05 pm

lmao houston wont get them. maybe the knicks since they want everybody :lol:

but the rockets dont have enough depth to get kidd and that just wont happen. i dont see the spurs getting him because they do have parker who is becoming an elite pg in the league, if he isnt already one. dallas will be the ones to most likely get kidd if he goes.

by **Sauru** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:38 pm

just cause houston does not have the players to make a good trade for kidd does not mean they cant land him. right now it seems the nets are willing to trade thier highest salaries for anything. toss a couple players with 1 year left for the salary requirements, give them your draft pick, and suddenly you got whats most porbably the best back court in the league with probably the second best center in the league to clean up your mistakes.

by **Matt** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:54 pm

What? who said Houston doesn't have enough trade bait? they have plenty of 2nd rnd draft picks to through around :lol:

by **J@3** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:57 pm

evan marriot wrote:You are scarface

this guy's hilarious

i have a feeling he is going to dallas for Antione Walker and one of there young guards

That'd be a good trade for New Jersey in the sense that at least they'd get a player capable of being really good in the future... it would be a bad trade in the sense that they'd lose one of the best PG's in the NBA. Would the Nets prefer Josh Howard or Marquis Daniels? i cant spell his name

by **XianeX** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:31 pm

A friend of mine told me he heard on some radio station that Kidd was also looking to be back in his homestate.

by **Owen** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:37 pm

if kidd is going to dallas,
a walker, j howard, and center will be great fit for the nets

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:05 pm

I can't say that I blame Kidd, the Nets' moves might be reducing the payroll but they're simply trading talent for potential. It wouldn't be so bad if it was potential in the form of a young player on the rise, but they could have asked for much more than draft picks in those deals.

by **-BHZMAFIA-** on Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:29 am

stack42 wrote:What? who said Houston doesn't have enough trade bait? they have plenty of 2nd rnd draft picks to through around

Yea I said he will most likely go to Dallas if he leaves. As for the Nets, I just think they decided to rebuild ever since they lost Kmart. They couldve been a pretty good team if they wouldve just gave Kmart how much he asked for and tried to add to the team during the season. They have no trade bait at all last year but the big 4. Now they only Kidd and RJ. They don't want to trade RJ so they are just going to try and rebuild around him.

by **Jackal** on Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:01 am

Kidd wants out,
two sources say.

Jason Kidd met with Rod Thorn and Nets owner-to-be Bruce Ratner yesterday at the team facility, and while Kidd did not demand to be dealt, the point guard is upset and, according to two team sources, would welcome a trade to a contender.
While the Nets have talked about possibly trading Kidd to Dallas, two team officials said nothing is close to happening.

Kidd and his agent, Jeff Schwartz, did not return phone calls yesterday. Ratner, who awaits league approval on his purchase of the team, had no comment.

"If (Kidd) has any comment about it, he'll make it," said Thorn, the Nets' CEO.

One person with knowledge of the situation said an irate Kidd let it be known after Kenyon Martin was dealt to Denver for three first-round draft picks two weeks ago that he did not want to play for a rebuilding team and would accept a trade to a playoff team like Dallas, which plays the up-tempo style suited for Kidd.

The same source said the Nets have discussed the possibility of dealing Kidd for Antoine Walker (who is entering the final year of his contract), Josh Howard and a No. 1 pick.

Numerous people close to Kidd say the point guard is furious with the dismantling of the Nets in recent weeks. While Kidd vacationed in Mexico, the Nets dealt Martin and Kerry Kittles in cost-cutting trades for a total of three first-round picks and one second-rounder.

By parting with two starters who helped Kidd & Co. reach two consecutive NBA Finals, Ratner's Nets have reduced their payroll from over $60 million to the current $49 million to avoid paying the luxury tax.

By next summer, the Nets will lose the contracts of Dikembe Mutombo and Alonzo Mourning - who wanted to return but has informed the Nets he will not do so because of the Martin fiasco, according to a source. Since the Nets likely will add relatively cheap players - perhaps Ron Mercer and Eric Williams - the team's payroll is projected to be under $30 million next summer.

The Nets can extend the contracts of Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins starting Sunday. One source said the team could offer Jefferson a six-year extension worth between $70 million and $75 million.

That could help ease Kidd's pain, but enough damage has been done.

"He re-signed with a competitive team trying to win a championship," one teammate said of Kidd, who spurned San Antonio to sign with the Nets for six years and $103 million last offseason. "That is what they sold him on. J-Kidd will be ticked off."

Two other teammates wondered if Kidd will have any motivation to come back after microfracture knee surgery on July 1. It is the same type of procedure that Chris Webber, Allan Houston and Jamal Mashburn all underwent. And all three All-Stars had serious trouble regaining their form last season after the procedure. Because Kidd has a gigantic contract and could miss all of training camp and even longer, it may be difficult to trade him before the season.

"(Ratner) destroyed this team," one Net said. "There is no pressure for (Kidd) to return sooner. There is no point in him busting his rear to come back."

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:23 pm

"He re-signed with a competitive team trying to win a championship," one teammate said of Kidd, who spurned San Antonio to sign with the Nets for six years and $103 million last offseason. "That is what they sold him on. J-Kidd will be ticked off."

Exactly. I don't think players should have to adopt a "for better or worse" attitude in regards to long term contracts, at least not when the team is dismantled as the Nets have been. Obviously it's a risk to commit a team for such a long time and to say he's being paid handsomely is an understatement, but at the same time he made a commitment to a team with a good nucleus, one that had come back from the NBA basement. As I said before, I can't blame him for wanting out.

"(Ratner) destroyed this team," one Net said. "There is no pressure for (Kidd) to return sooner. There is no point in him busting his rear to come back."

Once I might have said that such a stance would be unprofessional, but I don't think I'd fault Kidd for doing what his teammate has suggested. It would be foolish to rush back after that kind of surgery anyway.

by **Riot** on Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:41 am

bringing this topic back.

Kidd wants to play for Minnesota. New rumors are out there saying Wally Z and Sam Cassell for Jason Kidd. What are your guys's thoughts on that?

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