NLSC Basketball '14

[SoF'nAwesome]

I recommend you to pick Marcus Morris up after his Waiver is cleared. You might not want to waste your #1 waiver right on him. He's not worth it. So 'cancel' the pick up asap and pick him up tomorrow or like 5-7 hours later.

Let's say somebody dropped LBJ, you will be the first one that's able to pick him up. I had the #2 waiver so I was able to snatch Marion before everyone else. You couldn't because he was your own drop. So Waiver is important in many ways. So you might want to hold on to it until some real deal comes up.

W (Jan 14) <--- this means you can pick him up after 14th. Either you can place your Waiver right to pick him up as soon as he becomes avail (whoever has highest waiver takes him) or you can simply pick him up if nobody wants him and when his W is cleared.

I'm sorry. I was a bit late to see your post. But it's not that big a deal, is it? I mean, you don't expect somebody to drop someone important(!) like Marion. So, another lesson. Thanks, the Waiver concept is quite clear now.

And somebody beat me to Brian Roberts.

You can drop Jason Terry if you need more roster space and put Andre Miller in your bench.
Jason Terry is just old and pathetic now and Andre Miller is currently in Shaw's doghouse.

I did drop Jason Terry. Now I'm gonna add somebody...

[NovU]

Don't worry. There's gonna be plenty of fish soon. Closer you get to the All-Star break, you see more shits going down. Just pay attention to winners and losers of trade/injury/FA.

BTW...

Carl Landry and Nerlens Noel both are a few weeks away. Neither probably is a sure deal at this point but worth noting.

[[Q]]

i might just have to do the unthinkable...

[NovU]

What. Are you finally gonna accept my trade offer?

[[Q]]

no, drop kelly olynyk

[shadowgrin]

See how Miami will fail to win the championship this season because they traded away Joel Anthony?

Waive Olynyk and say good bye to your division lead maybe even your playoff chances slip away.

[NovU]

Yeah. After dropping Jordan Crawford, I'm getting ma butt kicked by Rolling With Royce team.

Awww, I was so close to 10 game winning streak.

[Axel The Great]

I'm kind of regretting putting Rondo in my starting lineup so early in his comeback. Marcus Thornton isn't much better, but at least he's out there putting up a few numbers. Not to mention I'm getting the usual butt-whooping.

[SoF'nAwesome]

I'm happy to see someone else is having the injury related ass-whooping like myself. But at least you are getting to start your star player.

[buzzy]

Back in the playoff picture.

Pretty epic matchup against Novu, probably too close for his liking. 68-69 turnovers, 36-36 threes, 541-542 points.

[NovU]

Your division...

[Cartar]

Currently placed second, but I have yet to win a 3PT made category. Then again, it's not that surprising, when your backcourt consists of Turner, Wall and Reggie Jackson. Not bad.

[NovU]

Trade between shadowgrin and formyhorny

Terrence Ross Tor
Mike Scott Atl
J.R. Smith NY
Giannis Antetokounmpo Mil
Marvin Williams Uta
Tiago Splitter SA

For

James Harden Hou
Nikola Vucevic Orl

I'm not a fan of this trade. Just until yesterday, Formyhorny had a better offer on the table for Vucevic alone, but he goes onto take this deal instead. I can understand the sentiment, needs of keeping rivals(or less favarable teams) in check via trades but making trades to your own best interests must stay a priority, always. Harden and Vucevic are obviously worth much more. Formyhorny should and could have done better. (For the future reference, this should never be tolerated unless it's entirely due to tardiness.)

But whatever, as you probably could make up some silly reasons how this is the best for his team. I say this was due. He finally gave up on life after stellar last 2 seasons.



BTW...
- LeDemon Ballers won match up for the second time.
- Only 4 weeks left to go now till playoffs. Time for a last spurt!
- Even if you don't make the playoffs, there still is a consolation playoffs, so don't give up.

[shadowgrin]

this should never be tolerated unless it's entirely due to tardiness

That's cute, you just butthurt that your proposal for Vucevic wasn't accepted.

It's not like I took advantage of a fantasy noob like someone here did with an accidental waiver from a noob team. fagmihunny had placed 2/14 and 2/16 in his last two Yahoo fantasy basketball leagues so either he knows what he's doing to improve his current 2nd to last record and have a respectable finish even though it's late in the season or he's doing it for the lulz.
I'm no mind reader to know what he's thinking when I proposed that trade, if he accepted YAY if not then no crying from me on why my proposal was turned down and he accepted others' like some whiner here, fortunately it was the former.
Either way both parities agreed with the trade with no taking advantage of noobs.

Yeah giving up more than 1/3 of my team is totally unfair since I can easily replace that loss of depth with quality players from waivers in a 16 team league.
Simply viewed it's a 1:3 player trade but I structured my trade proposal with the intention of 1:2 for Vucevic and 1:4 for Harden.

It's not like playoff teams need to worry about the 11th seed making the final 6th spot in the playoffs with only a few weeks remaining just because of that trade.


lol at you trying to be 'morally correct' just because you butthurt.
Cry moar babi.

[NovU]

I am not blaming you. This isn't your doing (as long as there's no evidence). Because I would have taken advantage of the situation myself if somebody offered me a same deal. You, yourself did the only sensible thing for your team. It's formyhorny that fucked up. (And he ain't even supposed to be a noob. )

Yeah giving up more than 1/3 of my team is totally unfair since I can easily gain back that loss of depth with quality players from waivers in a 16 team league.
Simply viewed it's a 1:3 player trade but I structured my trade proposal with the intention of 1:2 for Vucevic and 1:4 for Harden.

I offered 2 or 3 players(quality) for Vucevic myself.

Giving up in numbers, you made up in quality. No 2 justifies Vucevic's value, and no 4 justifies Harden in this trade. What makes this passable though is that it's late in season and FA market looks all dried up. You'll probably have hard time filling up rest your roster(but your starters look monstrous now! *shudders* Glad that you ain't in playoffs.)

It's not like playoff teams need to worry about the 11th seed making the final 6th spot in the playoffs with only a few weeks remaining just because of that trade.

There probably isn't going to be a victim from current playoffs team as you still have miles to climb up. But how about people who care about standing and consolation.



What formyhorny did is stupid and is well deserving of suspicions. I am just making a note that this kinda move should not be encouraged (for the future reference).

[SoF'nAwesome]

It's highly unlikely that I won't finish as 16th. That sucks. I feel bad

Anybody want Howard/Lin? I would give them for a fair trade proposal. If you think you need a center/pg for the playoffs, CALL ME.

[shadowgrin]

Giving up in numbers, you made up in quality. No 2 justifies Vucevic's value, and no 4 justifies Harden in this trade.

I'm not looking for anything just trying to have fun playing fantasy basketball instead of overvaluing my players like the rest of NLSC do

By the looks of things some people overvalue players that aren't even on their own teams.

It's justification enough that my proposal was accepted by the owner of those players and even that noob level trade evaluation by Yahoo gave fartmihunny projected increase in more cats compared to the decreases.

But how about people who care about standing and consolation.

What about them?
Why should I and the other party in the trade concern ourselves with teams that aren't involved in the trade?
It's not like formyhunny is going to lose out big time by letting go of quality for quantity considering his stellar 15th place record in a 16 team league.

What for formyhorny did is stupid and is well deserving of suspicions.

For all we know he could be concerned about parity in the league that's why he decided NOT to trade his player/s to the 1st place team and instead agreed to give it to the 11th place team? If that's the case isn't that what you want, parity?
Or maybe he got tired of your shite trade offers earlier in the season that when you did offer a reasonable trade recently he didn't give a shite anymore and decided to look the other way?

I am just making a note that this kinda move should not be encouraged.

O rly?...

I would have taken advantage of the situation myself if somebody offered me a same deal.

Bottom line you're not concerned about fairness and all that crap you spew, you're just butthurt because your proposal got rejected.

Just because you can't comprehend the reasoning of another person and it doesn't fit your own greedy intentions doesn't mean OH NOES THEY ARE DOING EVIL THINGS! TAKE NOTES PEEOPLES!


I'm doing all these replying not so I can hide ALL LIES AND CONSPIRACY but for my own selfish reason and that is I offered a person who is not clueless in anyway about fantasy basketball a trade proposal and he accepted it.
Why should I (and others who may do it in the future) have the misery of the players I received fairly be taken away from me just because of some butthurt person's faux moral correctness? Sounds familiar?

Just to be clear I initiated the trade proposal and formyhunny accepted it, yay.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Why would you propose that deal? It's unreal.

[NovU]

Giving up in numbers, you made up in quality. No 2 justifies Vucevic's value, and no 4 justifies Harden in this trade.

I'm not looking for anything just trying to have fun playing fantasy basketball instead of overvaluing my players like the rest of NLSC do

By the looks of things some people overvalue players that aren't even on their own teams.

It's justification enough that my proposal was accepted by the owner of those players and even that noob level trade evaluation by Yahoo gave fartmihunny projected increase in more cats compared to the decreases.

Don't even suggest that I'm overvaluing anyone. It's a fact that formyhorny undersold Harden and Vucevic though he exactly knew their values.

Notice 2 of the involved players aren't even starting for formyhunny's team. Then he went onto change his ID to tankingforwiggins2014.

What about them?
Why should I and the other party in the trade concern ourselves with teams that aren't involved in the trade?
It's not like formyhunny is going to lose out big time by letting go of quality for quantity considering his stellar 15th place record in a 16 team league.

Do not dodge the real issue. Formyhunny views you as kind of an ally on personal level so this trade happened. It's not too far fetched to think in such terms given the circumstance. This affects everybody. Only reason it's not a big issue is because you two are worthless and not real threats to anyone that's competing at highest level.

For all we know he could be concerned about parity in the league that's why he decided NOT to trade his player/s to the 1st place team and instead agreed to give it to the 11th place team? If that's the case isn't that what you want, parity?

It doesn't really matter 'to' which team. Even some bottom dwellers try their hardest to compete. What formyhunny did affect these people directly.

I am just making a note that this kinda move should not be encouraged.

O rly?...

I would have taken advantage of the situation myself if somebody offered me a same deal.

Bottom line you're not concerned about fairness and all that crap you spew, you're just butthurt because your proposal got rejected.

Stop being a douche and dodge the real issue just because of your complex against me. This isn't about me or what I would do. This is about favoritism, trolling, and tanking that should not come into play in any forms at any level.

Just to be clear I initiated the trade proposal and formyhunny accepted it, yay.

I told you this. This isn't about you. Everything in this world isn't about you.

[shadowgrin]

Even if he undersold his players why should it affect you? Why should it affect others? It's not you or them that gave up those players.

His intentions or name change aren't a concern for me, I proposed a trade he accepted. That's enough on my part, I don't pretend that I did it in the name of fairness like some people pretend they do.


What real issue? I already gave my reasons for my proposal. Allies? Personal level? lmao this is going crazy.
Why should he help me? Why should I help him? WHY DID I TRADE AWAY HIBBERT AND MANU TO JAO FOR BOSH AND JR SMITH THEN?! OH NOES CONSPIRACY!
I have my reasons for my trade proposals and those who accepted it have their own reasons. Just because you don't comprehend or know those reasons doesn't give you shite to dish out stupid narratives to compensate for your butthurts and your fake pretensions about fairness.


Why should formyhunny who may have had the lack of interest in his own team during the season even concern himself with the other teams?
Why are you still pretending to be all about fairness when it's clear that you're not and will take advantage of anyone if it benefits you alone?


lol at you playing the victim card again instead of addressing my points.
Favoritism? What's wrong with having a preference for certain people in doing trades? It's not my fault you lack the skills to pitch crazy trade proposals that people will accept it or you're too hesitant to accept one if it's offered to you if you were in the same position.
Trolling? As compared to trading away his players to a team that's the first in standings?
LMAO tanking. Seriously? It's not like he has a chance at a higher draft pick next season with his tanking.
So what if he wants to lose this late in the season?
If it's not about you or what others would do in this situation right now then what's the problem? You and the others don't have a say with the agreement between two parties if it has nothing to do with you or them if faced in the same situation. So what's the deal then? What's the problem?


I know it's not about me but I just can't stand the BS talk about fairness, parity, and competition from someone who would do the opposite of those given the chance, which that person already did before.

Why would you propose that deal? It's unreal.

Why shouldn't I?

I'm at 11th place with only a few weeks to go before the season ends, giving up near half of my roster in exchange for two players owned by someone who isn't a noob to be taken advantage of yet tanked at 2nd to last place seems like the most fair and fun thing to do.

[NovU]

Why should formyhunny who may have had the lack of interest in his own team during the season even concern himself with the other teams?
Why are you still pretending to be all about fairness when it's clear that you're not and will take advantage of anyone if it benefits you alone?

It's simple. You were whining about Ty Lawson, Kobe, Rose trade. But this is worse because Formyhorny intentionally ruined his team. His intentions are obviously dubious.

Favoritism? What's wrong with having a preference for certain people in doing trades?

Harden for scrubs, Vucevic for scrubs. At this magnitude and obviousness, things are different. Collusion is bad, remember?

Trolling? As compared to trading away his players to a team that's the first in standings?

It's one of hundred offers I sent out for this season. It just happened to catch this incident of loserish behaviour and got involved with his fellow loser defense lawyer. BTW what is your issue with top teams in standings making trades as long as it's conducted fairly without no mal intentions? smh

LMAO tanking. Seriously? It's not like he has a chance at a higher draft pick next season with his tanking.

Exactly, there is no reason to tank in this league whatsoever yet this is actually happening and you're defending it (because you are buttsore and upset that I addressed the issue? LoL).

I'm doing all these replying not so I can hide ALL LIES AND CONSPIRACY but for my own selfish reason and that is I offered a person who is not clueless in anyway about fantasy basketball a trade proposal and he accepted it.
Why should I (and others who may do it in the future) have the misery of the players I received fairly be taken away from me just because of some butthurt person's faux moral correctness?

Accusations are all deserving. You being a bitch and all, it's understandable how you want to make this look like a legitimately fair trade, but you have no real ground. Formyhunny got murdered with this trade and he's seemingly proud and happy of his act. Second, he bypassed the better proposal which concludes that his intention wasn't to get better (ain't even gamble). Third, he admits to tanking through his ID. But of course, it doesn't bother you, might as well promote making this league into a team league. Why don't you go form an alliance right now, fuking idiot.

I'm at 11th place with only a few weeks to go before the season ends, giving up near half of my roster in exchange for two players owned by someone who isn't a noob to be taken advantage of yet tanked at 2nd to last place seems like the most fair and fun thing to do.

Kinda why I thought this incident is passable. But still, trolling is trolling that could upset some people and can be used as excuse/precedents in future cases (possibly affecting outcome at championship level). Of course this doesn't bother you because you were the beneficiary.




Lastly, non non no. Why do you think I'm buttsore about anything(especially one of my 100 offers not going thru). I just found it funny that I caught it, making everything so obvious. Of course you have to twist everything and go make ass out of yourself. Typical grin.

[shadowgrin]

Formyhorny intentionally ruined his team. His intentions are obviously dubious.

So he intentionally ruined his team, then what?
Why should you, me, or others dictate how each one of us run each other's teams?
Why should we interfere with how they run their teams if they want to run it to the ground late this season or if they didn't care about their teams during the season?
For someone who doesn't want commish interference you sure are intent on controlling the activities of other teams.

Collusion is bad, remember?

Except for the fact that I offered the trade proposal in a sudden moment of madness (or genius!) without any preplanning or pretrade PMs like you did/do, whether you believe or not.

It just happened to catch this incident

lol you make it sound like you did hard detective work. Anyone who's not a noob knows how to check and be up to date with the transaction logs in the leagues they are in not to mention Yahoo sends e-mails of the trades that happened if they have notifications on, it's not like the trade is hidden from anyone in the league.

what is your issue with top teams in standings making trades as long as it's conducted fairly without no mal intentions? smh

What's your issue with teams accepting trades that aren't compliant with your own perceived value of players? smh

there is no reason to tank in this league whatsoever yet this is actually happening

It's not against the rules to tank either.

you're defending it (because you are buttsore and upset that I addressed the issue?

OMG U FOUND OUT A TRADE ANYONE CAN SEE, U LYK BATMANS!
I'm defending it because I don't want it overturned because it would be unfair to me like I said before, repeatedly, instead of pretending about parity, competition, and fairness.

it's understandable how you want to make this look like a legitimately fair trade, but you have no real ground.

When did I say it's a fair trade? I'm defending the trade for my own selfish reasons like I said previously.
Not my fault that my crazy proposal was accepted by someone who's not a total noob and someone who had nothing to do with the trade feels like batman and is butthurt with the trade.

Formyhunny got murdered with this trade and he's seemingly proud and happy of his act.

So? Why do you feel the need to run his team for him?

Second, he bypassed the better proposal which concludes that his intention wasn't to get better (ain't even gamble).

lol concludes. It's not your team, why should you dictate the value of his own players? Why do you want to manage a team that's not your own?

Third, he admits to tanking through his ID.

So? Nothing against the rules about tanking or changing his name to show his intentions.

But of course, it doesn't bother you, might as well promote making this league into a team league. Why don't you go form an alliance right now, fuking idiot.

Why should it bother me, my trade proposal got accepted woot.
Yeah it's not like I previously offered him a handful of proposals involving his other players that he turned down like a dick and when finally he accepts one, alliance! cries one butthurt...
"Just because you don't comprehend or know those reasons doesn't give you shite to dish out stupid narratives to compensate for your butthurts and your fake pretensions about fairness."

that could upset some people and can be used as excuse/precedents in future cases (possibly affecting outcome at championship level)

So let those upset people speak instead of just one butthurt person who had his trade proposal turned down be the only one whining.
I've repeated many times that I have my own selfish reasons for defending the trade. I reached for a wild trade proposal, got accepted, and I'm sure going to be pissed annoyed if it was overturned just because some maniac who wants to control how other teams run their business is butthurt because his trade proposal was turned down and continues to pretend about parity and fairness.
First you're trying to control how others manage their own team now you want to predict the future too?
What if formyhunny's standing improved after the trade? What if my standing remained the same? Would that prove you were wrong about this whole fairness thing? If anything it will just greatly prove that no one can predict the future and if you can then you shouldn't be spending time being butthurt in a no-money league and go make some winnings in a money league.

Of course this doesn't bother you because you were the beneficiary.

Of course and it bothers you because you missed out on it that your trade proposal was rejected.
I've repeated and defended my selfish intentions numerous times unlike you who still continue to peddle fairness! parity! as you arguments even though you clearly lack both based on your past actions.

I just found it funny that I caught it, making everything so obvious.

Yeah 'caught', great job Captain Batman. It's apparently so funny that you can't accept that the trade happened because it didn't involve you.

Of course you have to twist everything and go make ass out of yourself.

I'm not twisting anything, my own selfish reasons are clearly stated repeatedly, I'm not the one who's twisting my butthurt feelings about the trade under the guise of fairness, parity, and competition just because my proposal was rejected.

[NovU]

Actually I was never interested in your stance entirely (but good job writing an essay). You being selfish, bitchy, anything, it's all fine. I told you, you have no fault in this issue as I hold no evidence. I told you this 10 times already so you can quit bitching now about yourself (or me) now. I don't want you being punished or this deal being overturned either as I already mentioned. If any, it's gotta be formyhorny that needs good spanking anyway. And also, please shut your yapping vagina already about your excessive obsession about me. If you think I'm buttsore only because one of my 1000 rejected offers, then fine, so be it. You don't have to iterate it 100 times. Importantly this issue really isn't about me (despite it's all you have on this issue).

So you seem to agree on several points of mine:
(1) this is heavily lopsided trade(as it's a fact)
(2) which was also intentional by formyhorny
(3) for purpose of losing/tanking
(4) he turned down a better offer for much crappier deal (arousing suspicions of forming alliance)
(5) then goes to celebrate about his excellent deed, lol

Thus you are arguing for:
(1) player can purposely lose (despite this could inflate/deflate select players record)
(2) can be picky about a trade partner even at the cost of his own success greatly (which might allow eventual collusion)
(3) you don't mind anyone doing this at anytime of the year
(4) everyone still should shut their mouths and mind their business
(5) all of the above happening altogether combined, you still don't care nor should anyone



Hey! Watch me. I'm going to trade all my best assets to my favorite team! And pretend it's all cool and fun, just let me enjoy tanking! It's my way of having fun so shut up everyone about your opinion and moral standard! You have nothing on me anyway, lulz!

Fucking idiot.

[shadowgrin]

Seem to agree with you? Hardly. More like you're too dense to even comprehend the crap that you're spewing.
(1) Thanks Captain. It favors me obviously, why would I propose it if it didn't, though at the cost of ruining the depth of my already shitty team.
(2) Nope. I don't agree with you on this one, I don't care about formyhunny's intentions on this one, I only care about my end of the deal on this one.
(3) I don't care how other people manage their teams unless those people feel like an obsessed maniac that they want to control teams that aren't their own, then I speak up.
(4) Your opinion, not his, not even fact, also doesn't necessarily means he feels the same way as you in valuing the players you offered.
(5) He can do whatever he wants, it's his players now. Trade done.

(1) Being inactive, which he also did, can also be considered purposely losing, so what about the other inactive guys? Where were you when he had a non-injured Tyson Chandler in his inactive spots and an injured Brook Lopez in his active roster for weeks? Why are you concerned only now?
(2) It's irrelevant because it's not up to you, me, or others to decide if it should be successful or not, it's the owner's, it's preference on managing his own team, why should a person trade with someone that he doesn't want to trade with?
(3) Why should it bother me? If I were in title contention and someone pulled it off I'd try to do the same thing that person did to counter that person, heck anyone in the league can do it to counter that person.
(4) Not really, everyone can voice their opinions about the matter but in your case your arguments are easy to refute because you're as believable as Dwight Howard.
(5) If they care, good. If they don't care, fine. I'd worry about it when we get to that situation instead of dealing with hypotheticals and future prediction like you seem to love.

Hey! Watch me. I'm going to trade all my best assets to my favorite team! And pretend it's all cool and fun, just let me enjoy tanking! It's my way of having fun so shut up everyone about your opinion and moral standard! You have nothing on me anyway, lulz!

Yes let's all be happy for formyhunny since he's happy with my trade proposal else why would he accept it if he doesn't want to even if his personal reasons for doing so might be silly or just pure nonsense instead of pretending that he's all about fairness and competition like some people want others to believe about them and their laughable false display of moral standards!
I wish I were formyhunny's favorite team so that I could have had Jrue Holiday, Tyson Chandler, Nikola Vucevic, Trevor Ariza, and Brook Lopez earlier in the season when I was gunning for them.


Aw such butthurts from NovU. Keep crying, at this rate I should buy a boat and sail it on your sea of tears.

[NovU]

Thank you for proving that you're a troll with all those assinine bullcraps. Why should you not care about formyhorny's intention in this discussion? He's possibly guilty of a collusion, obvious tanking, etc. Your reasons were all bs you don't even buy em yourself. HEY ITZ UR OPINION, I DON'T CARE, YOU SHOULDN'T CARE. Bitch shut up?

Terrence Ross Tor
Mike Scott Atl
J.R. Smith NY
Giannis Antetokounmpo Mil
Marvin Williams Uta
Tiago Splitter SA

For

James Harden Hou
Nikola Vucevic Orl

WOW. So again, this looks legit to you? So you're ok with this happening between any teams. This would have been a major issue if you two weren't such bums in this league.
Fine, go play victim card that you only offered and he accepted (But it don't make him clean). Fine 2, you guys didn't get to do it earlier this season so it's just having fun (At least you realize it's wrong to do it early in the season, lol).



I know you are just a troll whoring for attention but... I will stop feeding you now. Carry on.