Old thing benji is doing here, just keep blaming the scripts & throw some catchy terms like brain dead & stuff and say Bale sucked. But as Bale was so fucking awesome as Batman, that it would be unfair if somebody didn't oppose him.
benji wrote:He's not any worse than Bale in Constantine and The Matrix WITHOUT a mask covering his face. Well okay, maybe he is in The Matrix, but he's basically already Batman in the former.
How can you compare Constantine with any Bale shit? Every actor could play the character Reeves played in Constantine. On the other side, Bale would have played a better Neo.
Catwoman isn't evil, and Hathaway's Catwoman certainly wasn't evil in the least, just naive and dumb.
So, you bought the act.
Except Keaton and Kilmer.
Or not. You are biased when it comes to the 90s.
No, it isn't. That's the hardest fucking part because you have to equally portray all his personas. As Batman you just have to show off your pre-planning and listen to the villain diatribe while not being able to move your neck very well.
You minimized the 2nd part. Even so, the 1st part is harder to portray? Playing a billionaire playboy?
Here we go, pointing to one of the worst acted scenes by Bale he's ever done as some kind of hallmark of acting about sums it up.
omfg
Nothing says street smartness like getting conned by everyone man she runs across and then rather than escape rushing back with a complete change of heart and motivation to help her to be lover who just she met and then didn't see for months. (Maybe I should rethink Hathaway playing her as a dullard being completely accurate as written much like Oldman!)
Halle Berry's film has nothing to do with the Batman franchise.
You are going with the script, again. I can't debate anything here.
shadowgrin wrote:You just lost all of your credence in the argument by mentioning Halle Berry's Catwoman.
It never happened, same as Jordan playing for the Wizards, it's not true like the moon landing.
Well, she did play Catwoman whether it was related to the Batman franchise or not. And we were talking about that character & all those who portrayed it.
And I don't find it weird that
you don't believe in Armstrong.
People are throwing and going to keep throwing shit fits about Affleck just because they're in some kind of Nolan/Bale cult for no clear reason other than trying to justify the stupid hype the frothed themselves into, even if Affleck delivers a greater performance than Ricardo Montalban in Wrath of Khan, even if Affleck tops Ledger in subtly tweaking an existing character into a fun new category and performs it at a high level AND THEN DIES before it comes out people are still going to circle jerk over Bale while being completely unable to explain why he was so great in the first place. (Let alone why he was better than Keaton or Kilmer.)
Now you bring Affleck to the conversation? A much weaker actor than Bale, who can in NO WAY outdo Bale or even get close? No matter, what the fucking script is. I'm feeling that you will bring that into play(if it's a good one) when the time comes.
shadowgrin wrote:Then there's Daniel Day-Lewis who's crazy to surpass Keaton in being the GODDAMN BATMAN but Lewis is probably too expensive to hire or so intent on his method acting that he would have his parents killed.
Imagine him playing Bruce Wayne, not only would he lose the coolness that Bale brought, he would make Bruce Wayne BORING. Only him and a few others like Clooney can do that to such a fucking awesome character.
benji wrote:Now, the interesting thing about your critique is the "they'll find it boring" which is quite pacing related but then you go on to point to The Godfather, Gone with the Wind and so on which are all painfully slow (AND CHARACTER BASED) in comparison to the Burton Batmans let alone the ADHD films of today. (The fun part being that Returns is slightly over two hours, while all three Nolan films start at about two hours and twenty minutes and add ten minutes with each successive one, so if you get bored by the sequences you want to slit your wrists so it'll end.) So it's a little incoherent of a position to take.
"ADHD films", I like that. So, now you are blaming brain dulness as a reason for people liking Bale? Not any logic here again, blaming Nolan all over.
Of course you do. You get Batman for Nicholson's Joker, who is arguably more terrifying than Ledger's. And you get Batman Returns because it's far and away the best live action adaption of the Batman mythos with a brilliant take on the main characters that provides them with a great story arc along with Christopher Walken hamming it up as the villain.
Who would want to see anybody other as Joker after Ledger motherfucking raped the role? Anybody else, even Nicholson couldn't be taken seriously after Dark Knight.
And the 2nd part you mentioned here about Returns is completely script based. Nothing to do with Bale whatsoever.
And it's not just superhero movies that rely on "visual gimmicks" it's movies in general. How many movies are horror porn, how many movies rely on action sequences (including comedies, as every slapstick sequence is action) to chew time, and so on.
It's not the same visual effect. You don't see buildings collapse or people breaking shit in the other genres you mentioned.
Dear god no, if you can get through any one of the Nolan slogs (especially the last two) with nothing else to distract you in one sitting you're a stronger man than I. Especially a rewatching of any of them as the collapsing plot bores through your eyeballs into your brain and the movie just won't ever end despite having lost momentum.
If you deny that you have watched Dark Knight less than 3 times, you are just LYING.
It's "dorking" to actually discuss the components that make up a film rather than blindly praising someones acting and the character portrayal
What you are doing with all the old Batman movies?
Sauru wrote:the iron man movies were ok at best but robert downey killed it as tony stark.
Iron Man 3 sucked. Even Tony Stark couldn't make it good. And it was great and all, but Robert Downey kinda mixed up his Sherlock & Tony Stark act. And I think you are discrediting the Batman series just because it was a superhero movie trilogy & PG-14 unlike most other Bale movies.