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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby buzzy on Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:05 am

This whole story makes no sense. Since when does a MITB winner need help to cash in? Orton's acting like he couldn't have done it without HHH.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:12 am

I haven't been following the McMahon/HHH storyline but I would imagine they are setting up a Bryan/HHH match with Vince backing Bryan & Stephanie backing HHH
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:27 am

buzzy wrote:This whole story makes no sense. Since when does a MITB winner need help to cash in? Orton's acting like he couldn't have done it without HHH.


All part of the heel/"corporate champion" shtick, I suppose.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:59 pm

Rey Mysterio's return would've worked out a lot better if he hadn't been Rob Van Dam.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby buzzy on Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:16 am

RRRRRRRRR - you know it's coming

ob Van Dam - wat
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:35 pm

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Subtle.


Burying him on Raw? Not helping.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:07 pm

I didn't mind the way that came off, since they're trying to make the odds look insurmountable, the heels bullying and dastardly.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:01 pm

If the odds look insurmountable, people will give up on Bryan. After being horrendously buried the previous night, he needed to look strong, and for longer than the three seconds for which he managed to get rid of The Shield. He needed to show that he can beat Orton and/or Triple H. He didn't. He really needed to end on a high--if every show between now and whatever Unforgiven is these days ends with Bryan on his back, nobody's going to give a fuck by then--but he at least needed to kill Orton before getting beat down by the rest. The entire point of the story is that he can beat Orton, but he needs to get rid of the Corporation and their interference to do so. Or at least it ought to be, otherwise it's 'aren't Triple H and the McMahons and that Randy Orton guy they can't really give the title to because of his two wellness strikes just delightful people? Aren't they so much fun to have on TV?' and at that point nobody's going to care what Bryan does or about the two-hour Thursday night commercial for the Ortiz-Jackson Bellator fight on November 2 (did anything else happen on TNA last week? That's all I remember).

Of course, he's already been WWE champion, so half the appeal of the entire angle is already gone. It's impossible to care as much now. As the Win, Lose but Don't Draw article said, if they were going to extend the chase they needed to screw Cena, not Bryan. Cena had his injury to get him out of the title picture, and they could even have done it in in a way where Bryan was about to win before the interference and cash-in, giving him reason to feud with Orton. Otherwise, if Cena was able to go, have him chase Orton for a month while Bryan is forced to work his way up by tapping out every single member of the Corporation. It's not hard.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:18 pm

If he continues to look weak, sure, the angle will be botched. I don't feel it's at that point yet, though it certainly could get there quickly if they don't handle it properly the rest of the way and that certainly is a concern with WWE. For now, I'm giving it a chance.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:20 pm

koberulz wrote:(did anything else happen on TNA last week? That's all I remember).

pretty harsh for what I thought was a fine night of hardcore wrasslin. Unfortunately I missed the first hour of this week though.


Big news from TNA right now is with the expiring contracts of AJ Styles and Anderson. Weighing paying AJ Styles what he deserves vs letting him go and paying for 3-4 new guys to rebuild the TNA roster a bit. Funny to read how PWI now feels that TNA has plateaued now rather than just adjusting to the road schedule.
As much as I love AJ Styles, especially with his return to the phenomenal one gimmick....I think TNA can survive without him. They wasted their chance with him after the Fortune split and didn't use him in the Cena role he could/should have done. He did OK with the WCW Sting role vs A&8s, but without a "Wolfpac" with him as the leader, eh. If they can pay for some rising indie stars, to become full-time before NXT picks them up, all the better.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 pm

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koberulz wrote:(did anything else happen on TNA last week? That's all I remember).

pretty harsh for what I thought was a fine night of hardcore wrasslin.

I wasn't joking. That's seriously all I remember. To be fair, I had to get a lot of wrestling watched in a short span of time because all the furniture needed to be upended (new floors), and I'd read the spoilers in this thread, but still.

TNA can't release AJ, even if just from a PR standpoint.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:06 pm

If they are just going to dwindle, I mean, be the Celtics and hit the reset button. I love AJ's work and this would be a major fuck you to him and all long-time TNA followers, but ugh.
TBH, I'd rather they get rid of Hardy and Angle, and yes Hogan, then keep/push AJ, Aries, Roode, and Bully as the top people, but that won't happen.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:48 am

lol wut
TNA posted the following video of TJ Perkins, who plays Manik, being presented a TNA contract by Dixie Carter.


:facepalm2: They had a champion not under contract??
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:42 pm

I just wish they'd decide what his name is and whether he wears a mask or not.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:53 pm

Finally got to watch the 2/3 falls match between Generico and Cesaro that got 'match of the year' chants...no. Just no. It was a thoroughly entertaining match, with some incredible high spots that all fit perfectly within the context of the match, a fantastic finish and perhaps not having a commercial break interrupt it would have enhanced the experience, but at the end of the day it was a solid *** - ***1/2 match and nothing more. Particularly disappointing was Generico's refusal to actually sell anything, which is something I also noticed in his match against Kevin Steen at Death Before Dishonor VIII, which I watched immediately after NXT. He sells fatigue, exhaustion and just generally being beat up perfectly fine, but doesn't bother to sell body parts.

Live crowds seem to have a tendency to overrate things, and on top of that you had a WWE audience watching two ROH guys, so stuff that was pretty standard fare (Code Red, Generico's through-the-corner tornado DDT on the floor) was getting bigger reactions than it would have in an environment where people are used to seeing it every match.

The booking was a bit odd, too, with Generico, the babyface, getting the first fall within 30 seconds. I also found it amusing to note, in light of the events of SummerSlam, that after Generico opened with a tope con hilo to interrupt Cesaro's entrance, the sort of thing that has only ever led to the bell being rung immediately upon both wrestlers getting back in the ring, the referee actually stopped Generico, got Cesaro to his feet, and made sure Cesaro wished to start the match.

In all, it was far better than most matches on WWE TV, but there was plenty of room for improvement and even taking into account that it was taped prior to SummerSlam, was never going to be a contender for match of the year.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:57 am

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Just watched, fantastic match with no gimmicks other than the well executed 2/3 falls match. No weapons, no cheatyness, just wrasslin. I wouldn't call it 5*, but I would give it a 4 or 4.5 cause that was amazing.

Yes, Generico's selling could use work, but I don't think it detracted at all.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:42 am

JaoSming wrote:I would give it a 4 or 4.5 cause that was amazing.

Wow, no wonder you like TNA. :P

I've seen others that agree with you, but for me it needed Generico selling properly, the crowd to be a bit more into it, and really could have done without the first nearfall of the final fall. The finish was a bit fumbled, too, but not in a way that affected anything so that gets a pass. But to me, if you give that match 4*, what do you give Punk-Brock? 6*? Pretty much every rating I've seen for Punk-Brock was between 4 and 4.5*, and that was clearly better than Cesaro-Generico III. Even if you were to go 5* for Punk-Brock (which it absolutely does not deserve), you're still leaving an awfully small gap there.

Just watched it again now, and after the tornado DDT on the floor, which I would assume legitimately hurts a fair bit, he still wouldn't sell his back. C'mon, really?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:57 am

koberulz wrote:The finish was a bit fumbled

I thought it added to it since it showed Cesaro's strength, holding him up like that. Then the quick pickup and finisher, loved it.

koberulz wrote:what do you give Punk-Brock? 6*?

4.5*
Back when I was trying really hard to get some of you to watch TNA with me (which right now, meh, because they are going to start tanking and rebuild soon) I started trying to rank matches with the star system. I found I rated a lot of matches 4 or 4.5 stars, and only gave 5* to consensusly good matches, like Taker/HBK/HHH, Cena/Punk, or Shield/Hell No Back.

But, I am a huge spot fan, and this match had some very impressive, non-gimmicky, spots.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:24 am

JaoSming wrote:I thought it added to it since it showed Cesaro's strength, holding him up like that.

It could go either way, really. Getting it clean shows strength, being able to recover shows strength. Which is why I don't mind it.

koberulz wrote:what do you give Punk-Brock? 6*?

4.5*

There's no way Punk-Brock was in the same league as Generico-Cesaro III. No way.

I found I rated a lot of matches 4 or 4.5 stars

You're probably overrating, then. *** seems to be the general 'really good, but nothing hugely special' rating, with 'standard fare' being around **. Obviously everyone has their own standards, but when you're rating most matches **** the whole thing becomes pretty meaningless.

But, I am a huge spot fan, and this match had some very impressive, non-gimmicky, spots.

What do you mean by 'non-gimmicky'? I've heard spots described as 'meaningless', 'contrived' and 'stupid', but never 'gimmicky'.



[TNA] are going to start tanking and rebuild soon

Is this your theory, or something you've heard?

It strikes me as a bad idea. The last time they tried that, it took them months just to get back to where they were before blowing everything up, and they never got any higher. Their post-2006 peak was right before Hogan came in and ruined everything. As far as I can tell, they swapped out a million hardcore wrestling fans for a million Hogan marks, except it took a while for the Hogan marks to find them. Saw this the other day, which includes these comments:

I feel like TNA has targeted the wrong people to add to their roster and has not turned into a destination for young wrestling talent. Instead they have resorted to lower-end WWE retreads and a handful of TNA 'originials'. However, they haven't really added any quality to the 'Originals' and the product now seems repetitive (As good as the matches are, how many times have Styles and Daniels feuded?)

The WWE has been more and more active in recruiting independent talent that would actually be able to move up the ladder in TNA quicker. Take someone like Dean Ambrose. He is someone who has shown tremendous talent in the short time he has been on the main roster, but he was also widely regarded as one of the best wrestlers outside of a 'major' organization before he was signed. It took him 1.5 years to get to his debut with the Shield where he (along with his stable-mates) were pushed very strong and have been solid since and it looks like they will slowly move up the ladder in WWE.

If TNA had taken a chance and signed him they could have pushed him quicker and perhaps he would be someone who would have enough charisma (something I find lacking in the TNA product generally) to create a more interesting product. However, it seems as though they are not a destination spot for younger talent and a lot would rather work in the smaller feds if they don't make it to the WWE rather than go to TNA. Kassius Ohno, Antonio Cesaro, CM Punk (who TNA had and failed with), Daniel Bryan, El Generico were all great indy wrestlers who would rather be in smaller companies waiting for their shot in the WWE than go to TNA it seems. You would think that it's exactly these wrestlers that TNA needs in order to survive for the long-term.

For an 'alternative' program, there is a lot of champions that are still relying on past glories rather than current production for their popularity. Bully Ray has shown his skill, but his most relevant wrestling moment is still TLC from 12 years ago. Love or hate Jeffy Hardy, but he at least was a hot commodity but TNA's reliance on someone that untrustworthy is a telling sign of the company as a whole. Austin Aries is probably the best recent example of TNA developing someone themselves, but they went right back to Jeff Hardy right after him.

Long point made, TNA hasn't done enough to attract great young talent to mix with the veterans on their current roster in order to continue to build a consistently entertaining product that leads to growing viewership.

TNA stopped being a destination for young talent the minute they issued their "us or them" ultimatum regarding Ring of Honor. TNA tried to big-time the independents and found themselves locked out of a talent pipeline that provided them with all of the TNA originals you're talking about. I understand why TNA did it... if a major player in their storylines got injured wrestling in front of 50 people in central Jersey it would cause a major financial impact.

But they didn't have the clout in the industry to make up for losing the exposure and income those workers made touring on the indy level. TNA tried to make up the difference by offering higher dollar figure contracts to more people but that only increased their monthly overhead without making any real improvement to the on-screen product.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:35 am

koberulz wrote:What do you mean by 'non-gimmicky'?

weapons/illegal behind the ref blows, stuff like that. The word I wanted to use this morning to describe the match is technical, it was a very technical match and I think that is why I liked it.

koberulz wrote:Is this your theory, or something you've heard?
my own, but if they are talking about shedding contracts, with no one except Hulk being safe...

Agreed with everything said about TNA in that
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:29 am

Why on earth would Hulk be safe? He's perhaps the most useless employee they have, and no doubt he's earning the most money. His name value has done fuck all for them. What else is he contributing?

This past week's Impact sounds awful.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:12 am

Impact wasn't anything to care for, at least the second half I got to watch.

Hulk shouldn't be safe, but he is for the same reason Hardy and Angle are, big names.



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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:20 am

watched the Cesaro match. I like Jao am a fan of spots and appreciate the different spots they did in the match. I liked how the ref actually counted when they were outside and didn't stop, which forced the one guy to roll in and out to break the count. They never do that anymore. Also, the tornado DDT through the turnbuckles was cool, I had never seen that before.
I didn't see anything wrong about the guy selling/not selling but he could've sold everything just a tad bit more. Overall it was a good match, I am a fan of Cesaro almost all of his matches are great.
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