KG and Pierce to Nets?

[graybakflip]

Brooks was actually not in the mix of players to be included in the proposed trade, but then HE WANTED TO BE OUT so there goes his loyalty. For Bogans he was a great vet bench last season, but was a no show during the PO, and he should thank Billy King and the Nets Org since they help him in all the possible ways since he was injured from Bulls. And HUMP? he was the starter but got outworked by reggie evans? he was clearly not focused last season. Those quotes are like 4-6 months ago? I am a bandwagoner?

[shadowgrin]

Brooks was actually not in the mix of players to be included in the proposed trade, but then HE WANTED TO BE OUT so there goes his loyalty. For Bogans he was a great vet bench last season, but was a no show during the PO, and he should thank Billy King and the Nets Org since they help him in all the possible ways since he was injured from Bulls.

Proof or ban(dwagoner)

[graybakflip]

Proof 'bout Brooks and Bogans thing?

Ok, it's not that "clearly" reported that he wanted out(he's not like Dwight right?lol) but as far as what I've read per Net Income(@Netsdaily) he apparently requested to be out. He was out of the rotation last season due to his 'one dimensional' play, tho I could say coaching staff was a factor, still there were instances that he can't even play a lick on defense, and for that jerry "THE GOAT" stackhouse and bogans were better suited to have more playing time. He was disappointed that he can't have the playing time he wanted(pre Celts-Nets trade) so BK was trying to find where he can have that opportunity(thus the Wolves offer of barrea/ridnour-brooks rumors, like what Novu posted in the offseason rumors thread).Then the block-buster trade happened. 1st trade proposal that was rumored/reported was Crash, Hump, Bogans, Evans, Joseph and those picks(3 1st, and rights to swap '17yr), instead of Evans(BFF of Blatche), BK found the opportunity for him there in Boston. Here's the latest interview from him Brooks disappointed by downfall with Nets

And For Bogans, you can read it all here(you can also read those links from other sources provided by Net Income about that). He's the luckiest guy out there, the last big pay-day he got was like 1.5M?now? a well deserved $5M guaranteed!

[NovU]

Paul Pierce believes his new team is primed to make a run at the Eastern Conference title, although the veteran small forward has a bigger goal in mind for the Brooklyn Nets: capturing the NBA championship.

“I think we’re going to be right up there with the best of them,” Pierce said Thursday.

“Obviously I would’ve loved to have finished my career in Boston, but that day and age is finally over with. My ultimate drive is winning a championship.”

Riiiiiiiiiiiing Chaseeeeeeeeerrrrr PP

[JaoSming]

So, does the fact he got traded, without demanding a trade, to a contender make him a ring chaser, or is it simply wanting and believing they can win?

Fucking Wade fan logic

[shadowgrin]

Riiiiiiiiiiiing Chaseeeeeeeeerrrrr PP

Nope.
Traded away, didn't have a no-trade clause.
Convinced KG to not retire and waive no-trade clause and go to Nets with him.

According to Barbara Barker of Newsday, Paul Pierce (who was also sent to Brooklyn in the blockbuster deal) had to spend over an hour on the phone with Garnett, convincing him to waive his no-trade clause and play for the Nets.

But it wasn't just reservations about leaving Boston that had Garnett wary of the trade. According to a separate report from Celtics reporter A. Sherrod Blakely, Garnett "absolutely" considered retirement this offseason. Garnett was likely most tempted to retire between the day that Doc Rivers was traded to the Los Angeles Clippers and day that the Celtics agreed to their deal with the Nets.

Pierce's efforts in that hour-plus phone conversation not only lured Garnett out of Boston, but also may have lured him out of retirement. Pierce's pitch likely included the fact that the Nets would be an instant title contender if the trade goes through, as well as the fact that Garnett would have two former teammates - Pierce and Jason Terry - to ease himself into a new situation.

Paul Pierce is no ring chaser like those clowns in South Beach.
He stayed with the Celtics when Antoine Walker left him, those losing seasons, Al Jefferson hogging the ball.
No doubt he would have stayed with the Celtics with no Doc or retired KG.

[NovU]

Pierce's pitch likely included the fact that the Nets would be an instant title contender if the trade goes through

Thank you.

[shadowgrin]

"...trade goes through" - if the Celtics were really intent on trading him, which they did, along with KG.

Ring chasing? He's no Ray Allen or even a LeBron James for that matter.

[NovU]

Ring chasing? Yes. Just happened differently with Ray and he did sacrifice money which to me is a plausible move considering the situation given. PP didn't and actually had more money to gain from the trade on top of the better chance at the ring. I'm not saying what PP did was an awful thing but just pointing out how people are delusional to be claiming Ray's the true culprit whose soul cannot be saved, when it's all perspective that counts.

[Jackal]

How is it even the same?

Ray Allen left. Reason: Didn't want to be a 6th man. Result: Became a 6th man.

Paul Pierce traded. Reason: Boston is rebuilding. Result: He got fucking traded.

[shadowgrin]

More money? I didn't know you gain more money when traded.
I know the salary you have from your previous team is carried over when you're traded.
Unless you sign an extension or renegotiate to have your contract changed.

It's not like Pierce will benefit late in his career from those endorsement dollars by being in a big market team, lol team I mean location.
Unless Russian billionaire owner gave Pierce his own personal island or metal refining factory.

[JaoSming]

Are you saying he is a ring chaser because he convince KG that it was a good idea and wave the clause?

This is some delusional shit, can we please add the ignore function to mods/admins.

[NovU]

grin, Tanking Celtics weren't going to pay $15 mil to PP. Then trade talk kicked in. You know that. If it didn't happen he was more than likely to be bought out for $5 mil.

Ray Allen left. Reason: Didn't want to be a 6th man. Result: Became a 6th man.

Paul Pierce traded. Reason: Boston is rebuilding. Result: He got fucking traded.

That's why I said it all depends on perspective in values. Ray wasn't wanted, but PP was the whole time, thus giving Ray enough/more reasons to leave. Now it's understandable for the team to considering PP's value to the Celtics. But what I find silly is this stupid notion that PP's a better person for how things went down differently between the team and individual. Why is everyone forgetting loyalty has to be a two way business.

[shadowgrin]

Ah yes that buyout. It's still moot to even bring out and compare the trade to Ray Allen's 'sacrifice' for less money.

If Pierce was bought out by the Celtics then he was let go by the Celtics, it wasn't his choice, what's there to sacrifice?

You also know that the trade gave the Celtics expiring contracts? (afaik) and DRAFT PICKS.

It's only logical that the Celtics first option would be to trade him and get Wiggins/Parker I mean DRAFT PICKS than buy him out and get nothing in return.
iirc trading him was what the Celtics preferred because they get assets.

That sacrifice or more money talk is nonsense.


Paul Pierce is perceived to be the better person because he didn't lie like Ray Allen did. Faking injuries not included.

[NovU]

It is nonsense only if you ignore how exactly happened. Ray gave up a better offer on the table, that can make him a ring chaser or a butthurt ex-gf but not a worse person for some silly reasons some Celtics fanbois come up with.

[shadowgrin]

You're generalizing the reasons between the Ray Allen and Pierce comparison.
I'm saying the sacrifice talk with Ray Allen doesn't apply to Paul Pierce being traded and getting 'more money' since Pierce didn't exactly have a say in it and buying out Paul Pierce isn't the Celtics first choice it was to trade him to get assets.


The Celtics have been upfront with Ray Allen about the attempts to trade him that's why he knew.
Ignoring the Rondo situation since that's a given, was Ray Allen upfront about leaving the Celtics?
Saying you don't want to do this and then doing exactly that is lying, plain and simple.


It's not that hard to understand why people think Ray Allen is a scumbag. And he is. Like all passive aggressors are. Like Rondo.

[NovU]

You're generalizing the reasons between the Ray Allen and Pierce comparison.
I'm saying the sacrifice talk with Ray Allen doesn't apply to Paul Pierce being traded and getting 'more money' since Pierce didn't exactly have a say in it and buying out Paul Pierce isn't the Celtics first choice, it was to trade him to get assets.

I didn't blame PP for his situation but rather gave credits to Ray for not taking a better offer financially.

The Celtics have been upfront with Ray Allen about the attempts to trade him that's why he knew.
Ignoring the Rondo situation since that's a given, was Ray Allen upfront about leaving the Celtics?
Saying you don't want to do this and then doing exactly that is lying, plain and simple.


It's not that hard to understand why people think Ray Allen is a scumbag. And he is.

Only if we're to entirely ignore IDE on Ray's situation, that could make some sense but should we not know better than that. Being not upfront about leaving is not a lie btw.

Right, it's not that hard to understand why. And that's exactly the issue I am noting on. It's silly how people can be absurdly judgmental as if players existence/decision solely should depend on team's wish.

[shadowgrin]

I didn't blame PP for his situation but rather gave credits to Ray for not taking a better offer financially.

Because he was chasing a ring. Or one of the reasons for leaving.

Being not upfront about leaving is not a lie btw.

Of course but Ray still lied when he said that but did that.
It may not be a horrible lie or it may be a white lie but it's still a lie.
And since he's a known public figure that lie will be magnified.
Bottom line Ray Allen lied.

And that's exactly the issue I am noting on. It's silly how people can be absurdly judgmental as if players existence/decision solely should depend on team's wish.

The issue here is you calling Paul Pierce a ring chaser because he was traded to the Nets because the Celtics want to.
It if was Paul's wish to be traded to the Nets then he shouldn't have convinced KG hard to come with him.
No matter you look at it the situation with Pierce doesn't make him a ring chaser.


Using the Ray Allen situation to call out Pierce as a ring chaser is no more better than those who hate Ray Allen for no good reason. Both are nonsense.

[NovU]

Of course but Ray still lied when he said that but did that.
It may not be a horrible lie or it may be a white lie but it's still a lie.
And since he's a known public figure that lie will be magnified.
Bottom line Ray Allen lied.

Did he promise to -re-sign with the Celtics? Seems to me you are the one that's lying.

[shadowgrin]

Late but...

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/bost ... n-garnett/

On the day the trade becomes official, the Celtics issued a message to departed superstars Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett on both the team’s social media accounts and in an ad in The Boston Globe.

“To two of the greatest Celtics legends of all-time: Thank you. You will always be Celtics.”

KG's number to be eventually retired by the Celtics confirmed.

Also...

Apparently, they forgot: “FOR THREE FIRST-ROUND PICKS,” since it was the team’s decision to trade them.

lol

[shadowgrin]

Did he promise to -re-sign with the Celtics? Seems to me you are the one that's lying.

He lied about not wanting to be a bench player as one of the reasons he left the Celtics and yet plays off the bench for the new team.

Of course but Ray still lied when he said that but did that.
It may not be a horrible lie or it may be a white lie but it's still a lie.
And since he's a known public figure that lie will be magnified.
Bottom line Ray Allen lied.

[NovU]

LoL. Seriously?

Didn't everybody and himself acknowledge that he wasn't content starting from the bench? That makes him a liar and a scumbag. Well done.

[shadowgrin]

And exactly does that with Heat, coming off the bench.

Do you even know the difference?

'I want to be a starter I don't want to come off the bench.'...then signs with another team to play off the bench.

Did you even understand what I posted?

It may not be a horrible lie or it may be a white lie but it's still a lie.
And since he's a known public figure that lie will be magnified.
Bottom line Ray Allen lied.

Here's an easy to understand summary for you

not that hard to understand why people think Ray Allen is a scumbag

since he's a known public figure that lie will be magnified.

That makes him a liar and a scumbag.

[NovU]

That just shows that he doesn't 'want to' for the Celtics under the circumstance at the time. That still doesn't make him a liar. Just far too farfetched.

[shadowgrin]

It's just as far fetched as calling Paul Pierce a ring chaser.