Xbox One Revealed

[JaoSming]

this was one I was curious about. I wonder if in-game behavior/forums can get you banned like the Origin shit

[NovU]

Wow. How cocky they got just amazes me. I hear EB games had just about same amount of XBone presales as PS4. They perhaps knew there are enough idiots out there that would buy XBone no matter how they fuck it up.

Didn't Micro$oft already tell you to fuck off to a PS4 if you don't like what you hear? Isn't that exactly what people should be doing, fucking off and buying PS4 which actually happens to offer better bang for the buck anyways? Unless they liked what they heard/not-heard... smh. But then I guess you can't really blame those uninformed/mis-informed, because most sellers have a great return policy these days.

[Jackal]

Fanboys will be fanboys eh NovU, you should know how that herd mentality works.

[NovU]

I guess... it takes one to know one.

[benji]

this was one I was curious about. I wonder if in-game behavior/forums can get you banned like the Origin shit

I believe you currently can be banned from Xbox Live based on user complaints about you. Also being bigoted, having offensive profiles, etc.

[benji]

http://jalopnik.com/i-got-thrown-in-mic ... -512918787

This is like the worst E3 for a company ever.

[Jackal]

[images]

Sounds like they have nvidia cards (7XX or Titan) in there lol

Xbone is supposed to be equivalent to a Radeon 7790.

So it appears that there's now a big fallout over the whole pageantry of E3's glitz and glamor. So earlier today we ran an article about the Xbox One games at E3 actually running on high-end PC hardware. Well, a few of Sony's first and second party developers have stepped forward to comment how Sony wasn't all about smoke and mirrors...the games were running on actual PS4 development hardware.

Oh Microsoft...

[shadowgrin]

Steam allows banned accounts to access games in their library but they can't use any of the features in Steam like buying games, chat, or trading. Only for playing games.
I'm going to compare XBOne's online service to Steam from now on since XBOne is aiming to be the Steam for consoles!


I believe EA regarding the used game DRM or licensing policies that it was Microsoft's sole idea since EA can just apply its own DRM measures using Origin with its published games.

Microsoft is piling up this shitefest with the XBOne that even EA has spoken out trying to distance itself from said shitefest lol.

[benji]

And a VAC ban is different from having your account suspended.

[shadowgrin]

And you would know, cheater.

The fag above should correct me if I'm wrong...

VAC ban - cheating in Valve or VAC secured game servers. Punishment is you can't play in Valve or VAC servers. You can do other Steam stuff after your suspension period.

Account ban/suspension - violating the Steam ToS. Punishment is you can't do any of the Steam stuff. You can resume using Steam for only playing games after your suspension period.

[JaoSming]

Major Nelson said you can still play your stuff if banned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M

After the XboxOne servers are shut down at the end of the new generation, will XboxOne games still be playable?
"We haven't started this generation, so its kind of early to talk about the end of the generation. That is certainly something that we would not do, that's not the way the system is designed, it is designed for flexibility."

My take: "Designed for flexibility" could either mean that the authentication system can change, or that the number of authentication servers can scale horizontally depending on the demand using Azure.

If someone is banned, whether their fault or not, will they lose access to the games they purchase?
"Absolutely not, you will always have access to the games you purchased."

What happens if I get banned for griefing?
"Then we're going to kick people out of the multiplayer."

Why is it that someone with a physical disc of a game inserted into the console could not play that game offline for more than 24 hours?
"That is an interesting question and pretty complex. The way we designed the Xbox One architecture is for flexibility, and one of the areas we can do that is, for instance, our family sharing. If you and I were in a family, you could check a game out of our game library and use it. So this ability we got of seeing what you got in your library, that is a result of being always connected. We think the upside of being connected is about the library and having access to your games anywhere you are."

He goes on to talk about how Microsoft believes this is where the future of gaming is going, and it allows them to unlock great gaming experiences and flexibility with the games library.

Related question the the last... What is the additional value bought by the once every 24 hrs connection, what do I as a consumer get out of that
"I think I kind of just went over that, right? There are so many. If you give me a game, the system will automatically appear in my library, as well as having the most up to date library when my Dad or my Mom buys a game."

Will you change anything about the Xbox One after seeing the Sony conference?
"I don't really think we're going to change anything. We're very happy with what we've done with Xbox One. Did you see the games at our briefing? Did you see the exclusives? We're really, really proud of the system and the games coming out. I think it is safe to say we are confident where we are going, and we're confident gamers are going to love our vision of the future, and what we're going to offer for gaming."

What is your target audience with the Xbox One? Many of your features can not be accessed or are stripped down for markets outside the US. Why should someone who can't use your features access the Xbox One?
"The console is built for the future, and a majority of the world is now connected. So I'm not sure which features they are not going to get. If they are talking about things like Netflix and things like that, that is certainly a content provider discussion, and that exists today. That is not an Xbox problem, that is an industry problem."

Can you clarify how the HDMI input is going to be used?
"First of all, it is the only console right now that has HDMI in. It allows you to input your cable or set top box. You could be watching TV and then instantly get a game invite and switch instantly. There is a guide we produce that we can overlay the existing guide so you can manage it that way. DVR is still handled by the set top box. We're just allowing people to still watch TV and then get back to their game experiences, and still stay connected. You can even use our snap mode to watch TV on the left while you play a single player game on the right."

What is one question you were not asked, but wish you would have been asked about the Xbox One?
"Probably about the family package. We've talked a little bit about it, but people have not really got their heads around about what it means. You kind of already asked me, so I don't really have an answer to that question. It's awesome!"

Closing statements by Major Nelson
"We're really excited about what we're doing with Xbox One. I know there are some questions out there in the games community. We're going to be answering those."

[RedPhazon8]

All those answers made me question the person's sanity... Microsoft was a solid company during the 360's time, but it's like they experienced Event Horizon (weird movie) and are all going mad...

[NovU]

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We think the upside of being connected is about the library and having access to your games anywhere you are.
...

So this means, I could lend my friend my entire collection of games(whether physical/digital) if I simply gave him ID/pass? He could access all my games from his own Xbox? And vice versa, I could access his shitty library from my own xBox?

Though Steam can do that already, that isn't too bad.

[JaoSming]

So this means, I could lend my friend my entire collection of games(whether physical/digital) if I simply gave him ID/pass? He could access all my games from his own Xbox? And vice versa, I could access his shitty library from my own xBox?

If you are in each other's "Xbox Family" then yes, you share libraries, BUT, you cannot play the same game at the same time.

If you were not in the same "Xbox Family" then you could give him one of your games after being XBL friends for a month, but he can not give it back to you, and you will not be able to play it again.

Edit on that

Says he later found out that Larry was slight mistaken, it is 2 people at the same time. But when 2 people at the same time its for singleplayer only. Also the other 8 people are not locked out from playing other games in the shared library. DLC is also shared

[chicagoRAW]

I can get a PS4 + Game and have about $40 left in my pocket instead of buying XOne console (plus add what ever value you want to put on not having the headache of dealing with all of Microsofts policies). That's basically what I've gotten from all of Microsoft's explanations.

[JaoSming]

The "family" sharing is actually sounding pretty cool in-turn for the 24-checks. Maybe they should have spent a few bucks to hire someone to properly explain this crap at E3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=591751

I talked to the 'on-site' Microsoft representative there about some of the issues, here's a rundown of some of the interesting things he said:

1. In the family/friend circle, concurrent play is allowed on the same game. Say I get battlefield 4 and put it in my share. 1 person can play it with me, single player and/or multiplayer.

2. The other 9 people no longer have access to my shared library until that person is done playing.

3. Every person within the group can make their shared games available, so if 5 people in the group buy battlefield 4, the other 5 can play concurrently through other 'shared libraries' in the group. This way, everyone gets to play.

4. (this one tidbit was REALLY interesting) Let's say you have battlefield 4 in your family share circle, and you pick up halo 5 when it drops. no one in that circle is really interested at all in that game. you can have OTHER circles that you can share games with. You CANNOT have the same game in multiple circles, however. So if you put Halo 5 in one, it cannot be in another unless you remove it from that circle. No word on how many circles you can have, however.

5. The trade-off with this system, as I know a lot of people on GAF were saying there HAD to be one, is already known. It's the 24-hour check. In order to make sure that this system isn't exploitable, they needed a way to ensure that games weren't being passed around physically to be pirated/exploited. So that's the trade-off, to get this type of sharing system between friends/family and keep devs/pubs happy.

[benji]

So two multi-million dollar presentations and this gets found out from some low level flunky at the Microsoft Store.

Still this seems odd to implement...

And I don't get #2, so that means you can only share one game at a time? But can you create multiple circles with different people to get around this?

I love how all of these explanations for anything with the Xbone are so overly complex, it's like everything is designed by random parts of Microsoft and its then cobbled together and nobody really knows how it's supposed to work. "We have to release it to find out what's in it!"

[JaoSming]

I think with #2 he was confused, it should read the other 8 people cannot play it since he and 1 other circle mate are playing together. Then #3 makes more sense, with the 10 in the circle playing with only 5 copies of the game.

[shadowgrin]

I still can't connect on why the once a day online checks are needed for the games sharing within the circle (which is nice btw).

Say Jao buys and adds a music themed game to his library and shares it to his Fags circle. benji who's in the Fags circle doesn't own the game but still plays it thru Jao's shared library. I assume benji needs to be online to access shared games in the Fags circle...still no reason why the once a day check is needed if you need to be online to access the shared games...so Jao then gives (not sells) the physical disc to chicagoRAW who is an evil games pirate but he can't play the game since that individual game's license is still tied to Jao when chicagoRAW went online and tried activating the game...still no reason why the once a day check is needed if you need to be online to activate or add games to your account.

[JaoSming]

TBH, nice and public, I've had enough of the fags thing. I'm not replying to any of your posts that continue to use it.

[formx]

shah do green! Y U mak jao med?

[RedPhazon8]

I still can't connect on why the once a day online checks are needed for the games sharing within the circle (which is nice btw).

Say Jao buys and adds a music themed game to his library and shares it to his Fags circle. benji who's in the Fags circle doesn't own the game but still plays it thru Jao's shared library. I assume benji needs to be online to access shared games in the Fags circle...still no reason why the once a day check is needed if you need to be online to access the shared games...so Jao then gives (not sells) the physical disc to chicagoRAW who is an evil games pirate but he can't play the game since that individual game's license is still tied to Jao when chicagoRAW went online and tried activating the game...still no reason why the once a day check is needed if you need to be online to activate or add games to your account.

Look what you did...

[benji]

#notcool delete that out ur vocab.

[Jackal]

TBH, nice and public, I've had enough of the fags thing. I'm not replying to any of your posts that continue to use it.

Not sure if serious or messing with us...

[NovU]

The "family" sharing is actually sounding pretty cool in-turn for the 24-checks. Maybe they should have spent a few bucks to hire someone to properly explain this crap at E3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=591751

I talked to the 'on-site' Microsoft representative there about some of the issues, here's a rundown of some of the interesting things he said:

1. In the family/friend circle, concurrent play is allowed on the same game. Say I get battlefield 4 and put it in my share. 1 person can play it with me, single player and/or multiplayer.

2. The other 9 people no longer have access to my shared library until that person is done playing.

3. Every person within the group can make their shared games available, so if 5 people in the group buy battlefield 4, the other 5 can play concurrently through other 'shared libraries' in the group. This way, everyone gets to play.

4. (this one tidbit was REALLY interesting) Let's say you have battlefield 4 in your family share circle, and you pick up halo 5 when it drops. no one in that circle is really interested at all in that game. you can have OTHER circles that you can share games with. You CANNOT have the same game in multiple circles, however. So if you put Halo 5 in one, it cannot be in another unless you remove it from that circle. No word on how many circles you can have, however.

5. The trade-off with this system, as I know a lot of people on GAF were saying there HAD to be one, is already known. It's the 24-hour check. In order to make sure that this system isn't exploitable, they needed a way to ensure that games weren't being passed around physically to be pirated/exploited. So that's the trade-off, to get this type of sharing system between friends/family and keep devs/pubs happy.

That's actually pretty cool. Cencept is nice and all but probably overcomplicated than needs be for today's gen where simpler things are widely preferred.

So it seems this is part of what they meant by their 'cloud' social gaming agenda. Gonna be interesting how that will fare. Btw, it'd be nice to be in a circle where people aren't afraid to spend $60 on new releases and share it more often than not. For me, I'll probably pick up 6 months old titles and share it gladly with you guys. Add me.