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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby benji on Wed May 01, 2013 6:05 pm

NovU wrote:I live in a city where gays are openly accepted and gay marriages are allowed. There is even a gay street in downtown. Every year on regular basis, there's some sort of gay festival that goes on. In general, people here see gays as no different people but the same, just with different sexual preference. So for me, I don't get what the big fuss is about beacuse Jason Collins never really was an issue maker, especially at this stage of his career. Now if this was somebody like Charles, or Kenny... LoL

It's a big fuss because what else are you going to fill 24/7 sports networks with than to debate issues these wannabe pundits wish they could talk about normally instead of sports. The Skip Bayless/Cuban thing was somewhat enlightening because Bayless openly admitted the hope of sports writers that they somehow matter, if you read enough of their columns or articles they all drop hints of their hope to matter to the world in general, not just the world of sports. This gives them that crossover chance.

There's also been a long interest in an active major sports figure being gay, Magic was an epic cocktease for certain segments of the gay universe. Ameachi fucked it up by being British, and I think almost every other one has one come out after their fame was over and then were never anything of relevance. The uninformed media types assume Collins will be in the league again next year and thus the first active OPEN player (there's been plenty of people who say they know gay players from the past but everyone keeps it private as to those peoples wishes) and when he might not be because he's 35 and stinks they have a ready made story to bash the league for being anti-gay.

This feeds into their lingering underlying casual racism against the leagues dominant source of players you see from time to time and which bowdown actually illustrated properly up above. They can attack common black cultural issues (which, like it or not are probably more anti-gay than the general public) while focusing on some other "issue" (something like mainstream acceptance of the NBA being threatened by gays/bigots/whatever) much as the Prop 8 backlash focused entirely on the Mormon Church rather than Obama-related turnout bringing blacks to the polls and pushing it over. Then the league can make some rule about fining players who won't have their locker next to gays or whatever and the wannabe pundits can declare victory and take their laps among their circlejerking allies.

They get to all out-outrage each other until somebody "wins" and something new comes up. Chris Broussard probably doesn't realize it since life has proven he's likely mentally challenged but he took a couple day story and turned it into a firestorm. (And ratings gold for ESPN.) He'll give a semi-apology or five and everyone remembers when ESPN lashed out at a NBA player announcing he was gay. The zeitgeist has been decided.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby shadowgrin on Wed May 01, 2013 11:15 pm

Pdub wrote:He did it so he can sue the league once he doesn't get signed, or to put pressure on a team to sign him. Obviously the story will continue depending on if any team and it's players will be willing to take on the pr along with him. Hopefully it's positive and an organization is looking to sign him with no concern of his sexuality.

Getting it out my system-

lol affirmative action law.

He can sue (LOL) but he will not win. The league or any team has bigger pockets than him to drag the case in court for years and he will be left with nothing and have no other option but to do tricks on the streets just to make a living.
That and he sucks on the court, off the court too, so it's a sure win for the defense.

If he did sue it will just cast a negative image on gays being opportunists that will result in even more gay bashing.
I think Collins is smart enough not to even think of that ridiculous suggestion since he's smart enough to last long in the league despite being gay or being a bad player.
Mostly on being a bad player.


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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Patr1ck on Thu May 02, 2013 3:59 am

Kerry Vincent wrote:@kobebryant nigga you got suspended for calling a dude a faggot. Hush that bullshit and bag on this gay ass nigga with us


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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby [Q] on Thu May 02, 2013 6:07 am

Pdub wrote:
Kerry Vincent wrote:@kobebryant nigga you got suspended for calling a dude a faggot. Hush that bullshit and bag on this gay ass nigga with us


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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu May 02, 2013 9:09 am

SoF'nAwesome wrote:WTF is up with Kobe and hashtags?

https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/3 ... 7507989504


He's always been like that since he started tweeting. What's the matter?

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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby shadowgrin on Thu May 02, 2013 9:21 am

Looks like two forum members got it right years ago.

New Jersey Net to "Come out of closet"

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dada on Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:13 am

Jason Collins is my bet.
ThaLiveKing on Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:54 am

LOL, True, that's who I have
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Andrew on Thu May 02, 2013 10:05 am

Wow, nice find there.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby [Q] on Thu May 02, 2013 11:07 am

lol after seeing that pic of Jefferson posted by benji, even I'm surprised it wasn't him
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Sauru on Mon May 06, 2013 3:37 am

if he did this 5 years ago during the "prime" of his career i would have had more respect. he is doing this now since he is near the end of his career and this is sure to net him a book deal. i mean i guess it still takes "courage" to come out but really being gay is so accepted now that it should not be a big deal.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby _Steve_ on Mon May 06, 2013 4:43 am

Well I still think it could help some younger/coming players. That does not mean it will be easy for them, just easier.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby shadowgrin on Mon May 06, 2013 4:49 pm

OMG SAURU STOP IT WITH THE GAY BASHING! HATE CRIME! HATE CRIME!
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Sauru on Tue May 07, 2013 1:34 am

shadowgrin wrote:OMG SAURU STOP IT WITH THE GAY BASHING! HATE CRIME! HATE CRIME!



i came back simply to bash on gays and chat GTA. i secretly hope they put gays in GTA 5 so i can run em over
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby shadowgrin on Tue May 07, 2013 6:01 am

U just hating on Collins because the Celtics love that gay man.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... n-celtics/
"He just was honest. He was an honest teammate. He worked hard. He did anything you asked him to do. He accepted his role."

"He didn't play all the time, but when he did play he was ready," said Rivers. "What I was impressed with was how much he prepared. There are a lot of players who are not playing and then when you need them, they're not ready to play because they don't prepare. You could bring Jason Collins in at any point in the game, and he has studied the opposing team's scouting report like he thought he was going to be playing 40 minutes that night. And he did it that way every time.

"It actually became something the players talked about. I remember one time in a timeout, I asked the question of Jason -- 'You know you have to do this' on a certain play, and he said, 'Yeah, I know.' And in the huddle [Rajon] Rondo said, 'Don't ever question Jason Collins -- if anybody knows the other team's stuff, it's Jason Collins.' And the other guys started laughing. It was really cool, the sign of the fact that he was so prepared and everyone knew it."


And Paul Pierce knowing Collins likes balls...

http://nesn.com/2012/12/paul-pierces-ga ... ty-in-nba/
Paul Pierce gave Jason Collins his game ball, everybody in the locker room clapped and that was pretty much that.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby benji on Tue May 07, 2013 8:58 am

The Associated Press also reported Monday that Collins is seeking a book deal.

Officials at three publishing houses said Monday that they had been contacted about a planned memoir by Collins. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the proceedings.
The officials said Collins was being represented by Kristine Dahl of International Creative Management. Dahl did not immediately respond to phone and email messages left by the AP.

At least one publisher turned down the book, said one official, who noted the extensive media coverage of Collins and expressed concern that his story already has been told.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Sauru on Tue May 07, 2013 10:35 pm

first thing i said when i heard about it, he waited til his career was almost over to say it so he can get a book deal. hell i already said it in this thread. guy just wants to cash in nothing more
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Andrew on Wed May 08, 2013 10:47 am

Since he did wait until his career was over (or close to it), doesn't that suggest that there still isn't that much acceptance in society or sporting culture?
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Wed May 08, 2013 12:57 pm

Andrew, I don't believe there is any acceptance. But should there be? I mean that's the reason why Women and Men don't play together :lol:
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Andrew on Wed May 08, 2013 1:40 pm

Should there be acceptance of gay people in society and sports, you mean? I would say yes, others would say no due to their religious beliefs or other reasons, and they're entitled to their stance as much as I am mine.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby shadowgrin on Wed May 08, 2013 2:40 pm

SoF'nAwesome wrote:I don't believe there is any acceptance. But should there be? I mean that's the reason why Women and Men don't play together :lol:

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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Wed May 08, 2013 2:59 pm

Haha...ya I know. That was just a basic take on it :p
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby JaoSming on Wed May 08, 2013 9:57 pm

so your "basic take" is that men's and women's sports are split due to their sexual orientation.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby Stress Fracture on Wed May 08, 2013 11:24 pm

Wow, what a "take". You're a very intellect person, I suppose.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Thu May 09, 2013 12:53 am

JaoSming wrote:so your "basic take" is that men's and women's sports are split due to their sexual orientation.

I didn't think of that from that angle, it was more like a joke. And I apologize if I sounded sexist or racist in anyway.

Stress Fracture wrote:Wow, what a "take". You're a very intellect person, I suppose.

Oh, you are still around I see. Purposeless but still entertaining as always.
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Re: so... Jason Collins is gay

Postby [Q] on Thu May 09, 2013 5:18 am

JaoSming wrote:so your "basic take" is that men's and women's sports are split due to their sexual orientation.

so Jason Collins should be playing in the WNBA?
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