Storyline Ideas, Injuries, & Special Events - Personalities?

[Cpt(K)]

How about making things like "Linsanity" drama? If a sub contribute greatly in winning 1-2 game, then his stat got huge boost and he get moved to starter and stay there if he can keep it up, if not, back to his seat again then.
And don't let out stuff like Howard drama, player want to go whinning around, talk bad, moaning like kid, play like an amateur... doing anything to get out.

I would actually like that, I do like that idea!

[fadzzz]

how about at the last second of a game and you are down by one with seconds left on the clock and while you are trying to shoot a buzzer beater we can see the ball going in slow motion to the hoop sry for my bad english and in career mode how about interviews between half time and fights between players lol ohhh yeah and how about in career mod we can see twitter fights 

[Jazza2319]

Here's a couple random ideas i had:

How about retired/current players who had the floor general sig skill popping up as head and assistant coaches?
Former PG headcoaches like Avery Johnson/Jacque Vaughn gives some slight boost to the starting PG?

[Gigabyte]

Looks awesome.

If players could come back after retirement, it would add a little spice to the game, I think. But it shouldn't be as common as trades or whatnot; maybe just about 3 in 100 players should be available to do so. Haha, just an idea.

[Nick]

If even half of the goals you guys have for this mod can be achieved then it would instantly become my favourite ever mod in my entire 10+ years at this site. I'm actually getting giddy just imagining the possibilities. Association mode has always been my favourite mode throughout my basketball video gaming days, but has always been neglected by the companies who are trying hard to produce games that sell (fair enough i suppose) which has left me feeling generally dissatisfied and wanting something deeper and more realistic.

So here's some of the things that comes to mind for a project like this. (It's not player personalities ideas but alas...)

- The integrity of winning seems to have no bearing in the game. If the Clippers win the title, then no way Chris Paul declines his player option and then signs with a losing team in free agency. A 30 year old 6th man will choose to sign with a playoff team over a losing team, whereas a 24 year old 6th man would choose to sign with a team where he can have the opportunity to start or have lots of money, regardless of win%. Teams should have an 'integrity' rating, that is dictated by their winning ways (maybe their win% over the past 3 or 5 years? (random idea, maybe integrity can be split into long-term and short-term. Short-term integrity is based on their win% over the past 3 years. Long-term integrity is based on their win% based on the past 10 years.)). Team integrity affects FA decisions, but also can have other perks (like maybe negotiation power? or more merch sales? ticket sales? or more likely to lure star players or something?)

- Teams seem to have no sense of direction when they trade. This can be fixed by applying a "team direction" attribute to teams. Kind of like player personality attribute, it dictates the teams ambitions in transactions. Team directions include:
1. Win-now phase (focused on short term winning, i.e. more likely to stack their rosters with vets, spend cap, trade draft picks away, etc, more focused on basketball strategy than economic strategy. - Think Lakers, Spurs, Boston, Heat, Mavs, you know the teams.
2. Rebuild phase (weak teams that are selling up shop. Trade aging stars/vets, more interested in draft picks/youth/assets and cap flexibility. They're looking to shed their skin and start fresh. - Think Orlando, Charlotte, probably Boston soon, probably Mavs soon etc
3. On the upward (Not sure what else to call it. These teams are the ones loaded with maybe 1 or 2 or 3 young stars, but the overall team isn't elite yet. They're trying to build around a guy or 2 and take the team to the next level. These guys sort of in between "rebuild" and "win-now". Their intentions share traits from both directions. They want to reserve flexibility but also try to build a winning team on the basketball court. They've already "shed their skin" in rebuild phase and now they're ready to take what they've built to the next level. They're looking to trade some of their young assets for a stud. - Think Houston, Cleveland, Minnesota, Philly, the OKC of 3 years ago, the Clippers before the signed Chris Paul, Memphis last year, Portland before Roy/Oden went down, etc
4. All Business (Not sure what else to call it. These are the teams that are less focused on the basketball strategy and more focused on generating dollars. Their owners see their teams as a brand. They're looking to improve their team's integrity, as to improve their brand. They're all about marketing, and all they want essentially is bums on seats. These are the teams that will trade for a highlight reel player who can score frequently but doesn't play defense or win games. These are the teams that will sign a player just so they can sell his jersey. They're more interested in name power than basketball ability. They're more interested in what a player can bring to the merch income than the actual basketball court, and often find that their teams are a directionless rabble. They often make moves that appear dumb to the general public. These teams will do anything within their power to stay under lux cap. (We'd have to create some sort of advantage to generating merch sales and stuff like that though for this particular attribute to make sense.) - Think Sacramento, Phoenix, Toronto, Detroit in the past, Milwaukee in the past, Washington in the past, Atlanta to an extent.

^I'm not sure exactly WHAT would dictate the CPU's teams "direction". Maybe their overall ranking? Maybe their W/L record? Maybe their place in the power rankings? Maybe their team's top 7 players ages vs the ovrl rating vs salary? Either way it would have to be a dynamic attribute that changes every once in a while based on their roster/results.

- I don't know if there is a way to customize player progression, but it would be sweet if potential was more likely to be fulfilled IF THEY'RE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY. A rookie should not improve 4-5 points in the following offseason if they didn't get any playing time. But a rookie that was given 20-30mpg should (if they have a potential rating that allows for it). This makes player progression more of a "farming" thing. If you give a young player the necessary game experience, he will develop much faster than if he was limited to just training in the practice facilities. As it stands now, ANY player with a potential rating over 80 is going to end up being a star, which saturates the league in the future full of talent. In the NBA we all know that there is no such thing as a sure-thing. There are surprise stars and there are surprise busts. There are no busts in 2k.

That's all i got for now. I might brainstorm player personalities a bit later, but i just wanted to get the stuff i said above off my chest first.

[benji]

^I'm not sure exactly WHAT would dictate the CPU's teams "direction". Maybe their overall ranking? Maybe their W/L record? Maybe their place in the power rankings? Maybe their team's top 7 players ages vs the ovrl rating vs salary?

Don't look for one. It'd be these plus the mentalities you suggested above. And not just current salary but long term salary situation. And past records and finishes.

You just have to conceptualize a formula then place the results. For theoretical sake let's take part of your suggestions above. And suggest teams that want to win now, get closer, tread water, add pieces and blow up things. You could setup something to factor in everything and then output that team A gets 75, B 55, etc. and it says to these teams "okay, look for a star" or "okay, call up the Knicks" or whatever.

[JaoSming]

What we have in the thread so far

Personality Types

• DILLIGAF
• Cancer
• Veteran Winning only
• Veteran mentor
• Veteran bench warmer
• Bench Lifer
• Breakout Star
• Superstar
• Role Player (specifics?)
• Prospect
• Overlooked
• Fearless/Bomber
• Emotional
• Team Player
• Happy Go Lucky
• Killer Instinct
• Snarky
• Dirty
• Mean
• Good Sport
• Ricky Rubio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZgU0cT_TfI
• Hot Head
• Flopper
  
  Player Personalities
• Governs Game Goals, Morale Effect Resistance, PreGame Animations, Sig Skills
• Higher Boosts/Nerfs based on goals/streaks (Lin)
• Use Hustle rating to govern work ethic/potential
  
  Staff Personalities
• If too negative can kick user to different team
• Owners Cutting Payroll, winning championship, make playoffs, rebuild, how to initiate?
• Coaches, does anything need to be added?
• Add staff from retired/retiring players, only if floor general?
• Affected by TV Ratings, simulate nonuser ratings?
  
  Crowd/Fan Personalities
• Dynamically change crowd attendance based on team streaks, star players.
• Game automatically weighs visiting team value and playoffs.
• If attendance too low, team relocation? other factors?
• Home Court Advantage boosts
  
  Injuries/Suspensions/Leave
• Accessories added see list
• Each injury has 1:5,000 of being career ending, customize % for each injury?
• First downgrade major injuries to minor ones (sprain to sore), does the game already do this?
• Injuries affect Potential
  
  Roster
• Keeping Overseas Draftees Overseas
• Sending Players to DLeague
• Fluctuate Draft Class Ratings to mess with scouting
• Dynamic Potential Ratings, based on goals?
• amnesty clause
• Team ratings boost for streaks
• Coaches/Players with high Teaching/BBIQ ratings affect prospects more
• More difficult for small market to land big stars
• FA stars finding other stars to duo/trio with & recognize that
• Happy superstars impossible to trade
• Boosts for rivalry games
• Better recognition of team position needs
• Veterans positively affecting younger players in same position
• realistic lineups for preseason
• Resting Stars before playoffs to prevent injuries
  
  Players
• Working out with Legends in postseason, how?
• Weight & Stamina fluctuations based on in shape/out of shape (nerf FAs/unhappy players)
• Retired players returning, how to determine?
• Take into account large/small market
• Hometown preference
• Veterans coming into FA after trade deadline, team hopping
• Veterans asking to trade to contender
• Better Role awareness & change demands
• Severe injuries affect ratings permanently
• Stats affect contracts
• Preferred #'s after trades, how?
• If unhappy lowers trade value (potential rating?)
• Unhappiness affects nontraditional ratings (hustle, quickness, on ball D, emotion)
• (un)Guaranteed contracts, sign and trade,10 day contracts, etc
• Contract Value boosts for legit 7 footers
• Players taking less money to play for certain team
• Clearing injuries, but waiting a bit longer to come back, change injury to personal reasons?
• Hot/Cold Streaks
• Teammates from same college affecting morale/chemistry/etc
• Award contention boost
• Near Milestone boost
• POTW/M boost
• Delusional Contract Worth
  
  AI Insanity
• Redo trade, FA, draft AI
• Player Agents
• GM Personalities
• Minutes & Rotation Manager
• Trade/Retirement/FA Rumors
• Player Relationships/rivalries
• All Star Saturday Night
• Short term/Long term wants
• Add Team Directions (Rebuild, Win Now, etc)
  
  Events
• Baby Born
• All Star Snub
• Award Snub
• Milestones
• Injury
• Practice Effectiveness
• Practice Conflict
• Team trips/activities (Harlem Shake)
• Infidelity...
• Twitter fights with fans
• Sickness
• Disease
• Cancer
• Death
• Media Hype
  
  Already Implemented
• locker room tension (Chemistry)
• Coaches calling out players (goals system)
  
  Impossible?
• Changes based on All NBA teams
• Power Rankings affecting Teams
• Negotiate new CBA in 2016 season
• 13 Active players & 2 IR
• Handling & Simulating College/Euro leagues (possible, just...wow)
• New in game Sliders
• In game things, fan fighting, stuff like that
• Technical/Flagrant Fouls
• SlowMo Buzzer Beaters
• Fights
• In engine interviews
• Visible Twitter Fights

[Rosque]

Damn that's a lot of stuff. Can't wait for this to kick in NBA 2K13 is going to be best Association wise because of you guys

[Angelo]

Thats a lot of stuff you guys are planning out there i hope you can manage to implement even half of them.. ill constantly be on a look out on this mod

[dare]

Working out with Legends in postseason, how?

If possible maybe change the Names on the Drills. (Dribbling will be like Tim Hardaway's Dribble Camp. etc.) But that would be not exactly working out with Legends, its the only way I can think this can be done lol

Retired players returning, how to determine?

Money problems based on real life? Chasing championship?

[fadzzz]

I HAVE A QUESTION SO HOW MUCH TIME YOU GONNA TAKE TO RELEASE IT 1 MONTH 2 MONTHS ..... ???? AND HOW BIG WILL IT BE ?? AND WILL U BE ABLE TO UPLOAD IT TO TORRENT ?

[JaoSming]

dont write in all caps
this isnt a full game so it will only be a few megabytes
we have no idea when we will get things done

[oqihm]

wuhu! wish you all the best guys!
this is going to be really big! 2k should hire guys like you.

how I wish this can also be used on the ps3.

[johnbuckeyefan]

Here's a couple random ideas i had:

How about retired/current players who had the floor general sig skill popping up as head and assistant coaches?
Former PG headcoaches like Avery Johnson/Jacque Vaughn gives some slight boost to the starting PG?

Really like this idea

[Mavs4Life]

Can't believe this one wasn't mentioned, but the crowd booing players that left the team in Free Agency, if that's possible to set.

[JaoSming]

its not

[DamirNYK]

If you could make half of this work, that would be amazing

While at it, how about fixing the substitution method, there's way too much hockey like subs, changing the whole linup happends at least once a game, 2k12 was way better about that, although they has that bug where when a player got injured or ejected his sub would change after every game stop, and it used to be a bench warmer instead of the 6th man. Hope you get what I'm saying here.

[DunkStorm]

This is a extremely awesome project

I would like to add some fundamental Ideas if they would be possible to implement.

Olympic games Association mode- every four years all stars that are american will be in team USA depending on how many all star apparences they made in the last 4 years overseas players would be put into there respected country's if there are not enough in each team players would be generated. if a country wins on each player from the NBA representing it they will will an Olympic metal and it will appear on there stats

Teams Changing state,expansion teams Association mode- teams will have to sign with there city to stay in there city if they cant afford to stay there they will have to move to another state in the country ex: New Orleans Hornets just signed a clause the the City of New Orleans to stay in the city threw 2024. another factor is Arena damage if the Arena is not suited for fans and players to be in it. the team/city that they are in would have to pay for another Arena to build if the City love the team and has enough money the build another arena the arena will be built if the team is not liked by the city the team would not be funded and would have to move to another city.
Team expansions would be just having the option to create a new team wile in Association mode and add the team to either to the east our west but after you make the team add players from the fa add a staff coach ex. this should be done on a off season wile expansion teams should not be made in mid season.

Coaches eventually get better after getting experience: Ok this has been annoying to me for a wile when you pick up a rookie coach ex: a coach with horrible stats F in everything. they never get better even Coaches that are already there they don't get better our worst in anything. that is why I be leave there should be some type of system to be able to make the Coach pool more enjoyable I think depending on a coaches history wins losses championship won years as a coach should have some play into this.


Some of this might be impossible but just wanting to give out some Ideas

[bfrombleacher]

What we have in the thread so far

Impossible?
...

• New in game Sliders
  ...

If you're referring to my post...I meant sliders inside the tool...? (If I misunderstood anything or if anything's not feasible, I apologize)

So then you can adjust the extent of the affect of say,
-the effect of injuries on potential
-the effect of your locker room on players
-the effect of player emotions on FA signings/trades...
-perhaps some of the in game settings like the effect of potential itself can be tuned down

I think people might be requesting you to turn up or turn down certain things if you don't put these in.

Hope my post is constructive and not wishy washy.

[JaoSming]

While at it, how about fixing the substitution method, there's way too much hockey like subs, changing the whole linup happends at least once a game, 2k12 was way better about that, although they has that bug where when a player got injured or ejected his sub would change after every game stop, and it used to be a bench warmer instead of the 6th man. Hope you get what I'm saying here.

not possible to change substitution AI

Olympic games Association mode-

not possible inside the game mode. If the mod gets to the point where we are only using a game for gameplay purposes, sure.

Teams Changing state,expansion teams Association mode

moving teams is something we are going to try and figure out, but expansion teams wouldnt work unless they removed a team....meaning basically just moving a team

Coaches eventually get better after getting experience: Ok this has been annoying to me for a wile when you pick up a rookie coach ex: a coach with horrible stats F in everything. they never get better even Coaches that are already there they don't get better our worst in anything. that is why I be leave there should be some type of system to be able to make the Coach pool more enjoyable I think depending on a coaches history wins losses championship won years as a coach should have some play into this.

we could modify coach stats

bfrombleacher, other people were talking about in-game sliders. Everything in the tool will be customizable ideally.


I'm not shutting down ideas I dont like btw, keep them coming even if they can't happen.

[Rosque]

Can you have for player like Kobe who get injured (small injuries) but that doesn't bother them at all when playing? I mean, not affecting their shooting, but rather slightly athleticism?

[Leftos]

Ratings are affected by the type of injury, so that would require studying how each injury affects the player and allowing you to pick one that only affects athleticism. We can't change how injuries affect each rating, that's hard-coded. We could only reverse the effect by editing the player's ratings, but then that's too much trouble for too little gain.

[Rosque]

Ratings are affected by the type of injury, so that would require studying how each injury affects the player and allowing you to pick one that only affects athleticism. We can't change how injuries affect each rating, that's hard-coded. We could only reverse the effect by editing the player's ratings, but then that's too much trouble for too little gain.

Thought so. Thanks for explanation. One more idea - if, for example, Westbrook tears his ACL/MCL could you make it that his athleticism takes a (rating) hit and he becomes more prone to tearing ACL/MCL once again (think Michael Redd) if he comes back when he has 'yellow' injury in in-game roster.

[werewolf914]

Just think out something minor, can you guys make team use their alternative jersey? Like in Christmas use their Christmas jersey, st.Pattrick,...?

[JaoSming]

we could probably set it up for MyCareer players that the uniforms swap out based on the day the game is played and such....but you can do either with the REDitor or swapping out the iff files. Since this is mostly Association focused, and we can choose uniforms in that mode, that would be low priority.

Nice idea though