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Postby . on Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:02 pm

i dont think kobe will play for lakers next season either he'll be in jail or will let his ego take him to another team to try and win championship and that alluded MVP that shaq has takin from him. plus shaq and kobe cant stands eachother no more


"Bryant: I loved playing for Phil. I learned so much from playing for Phil and playing with Shaquille, too. I think we've got a lot of great things accomplished despite our differences that we've had in the past. We've played extremely well together. We've had an incredible run"

[O'Neal: "Kobe is a great player. Every great player needs a one -two punch, and obviously me and him are the one-two punch. But like I said earlier, it's going to be a funny summer. Everyone's going to take care of their own business and everyone's going to do what's best for them, and I don't know what that entails. "
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Postby magius on Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:18 am

what did you expect them to say?
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Postby Jackal on Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:43 am

Owner Jerry Buss, according to sources, is leaning against bringing Jackson back. Buss left the Palace before the fourth quarter. If so, the Jackson era will be defined by three championships, the last three of his nine as a coach, and by his ability to bring the squabbling O'Neal and Bryant together over long stretches, particularly come springtime.

Still, even as he left the arena possibly for the last time as Laker coach, Jackson expressed hope that O'Neal and Bryant could go on without him.

"I think they really have found a way to work together very well this year," he said. "This is the most successful year we've had together with them."


Bryant, who can leave the Lakers in July and could be on trial by August, said again he intended to opt out of his contract. After that, with the Clippers and New York Knicks believed to be among his options, Bryant said he did not know.

"I love playing for Phil," he insisted. "I learned so much playing for Phil. Playing with Shaq, too, we got a lot of things accomplished, despite our differences.

"I wouldn't be opposed to playing with them forever. It's not up to me. It's not my decision."

Asked to clarify that, Bryant said, "It's going to be my decision where I play next year. It's their decision what they're going to do with this team."


Derek Fisher is expected to opt out of his contract by Friday.
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Postby fish23 on Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:29 am

LA is about drama. Seriously, wouldn't it be more fun to watch Shaq and the Lakers go against Kobe and the Clippers rather than see if they can win another Championship together.... again?

Shaq-Stays
Kobe- Leaves
Karl- Stops
Payton- Leaves
Phil-Stays
Luke- with the help of daddy, convinces Lakers to make him the center of the offense with Shaq as a 2nd option only.
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Postby GloveGuy on Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:53 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Phil leave. I actually thought he was holding the Lakers back from their full potential this year. He tried to force the triangle upon his point guard instead of utilizing his strengths, even after seeing them dominate with Payton on a short leash. The triangle just didn't mesh well with the new individuals on this team and he didn't find the need to erectify that.
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:47 am

Big Stuff happening in LA.

Gary Payton and Derek Fisher could follow Bryant and Malone and opt out of their deals. However, Payton reportedly is less likely to leave now that Jackson is going and Fisher seems to be having trouble deciding.


General manager Mitch Kupchak made clear the team's priorities Thursday when he said the Lakers would do anything they need to keep Bryant and would try to accommodate O'Neal if he demands a trade.

Apparently upset over Kupchak's remarks, O'Neal canceled his exit interview on Friday. O'Neal, who has been one of Jackson's biggest supporters, is under contract for two more years but could opt out after next season.


"When I was brought here by Jerry West, there was a team concept. ... It was something I wanted to be a part of," the Times quoted O'Neal on its Web site Friday night. "Now no one cares. I told you I'm all about winning championships. Now the organization is different. It seems right now they're trying to pit one person against another."


Kupchak said the Lakers will offer Bryant the maximum allowed -- seven years and more than $140 million. That's a lot more money and one year longer than any other team can offer.


Aaron Goodwin, Payton's agent, told ESPN's David Aldridge late Friday night that Jackson's departure makes it likely that his client will not opt out of his contract after all. Payton has until next week to decide whether to forgo the second year of his deal, which would pay him $5.4 million, and become a free agent.


Goodwin told Aldridge in a telephone interview that Jackson's departure -- because it means the likely demise of the triangle offense -- would make Payton more amenable to staying in Los Angeles. Payton made no secret of his dislike of the triangle throughout the season. His frustrations seemed to crest during the Finals, when he had little opportunity to attack Detroit guard Chauncey Billups -- who ultimately was named the Finals' Most Valuable Player.

O'Neal's stated desire for a trade could tip the scales back toward leaving for Payton, however.

"This whole Shaquille O'Neal thing becomes a different situation," Goodwin told Aldridge, "because Shaq was the one who recruited Gary to come there. And Karl [Malone] too, for that matter."


Goodwin did not say whether Payton would still want to remain with the team if O'Neal were traded.


"They've got to let the swelling go down," Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, said Friday. "The Lakers have so many other issues going on, it's probably good for Karl to sit back and see what's going on before he decides what he's going to do."


"There's no question the Lakers would love to have me back. I would love to be back. Hopefully we can find some common ground. Business is business."


Business is business...yeah, business is business. Let's see if the Lakers can do business without Jerry.
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:36 am

Instead of blaming Bryant or any other players..lets blame Mitch Kupchachk. I think we can all agree the Lakers have not been all that great since he's been the GM. Now he's screwing everything up when he didn't have to just to keep Bryant.
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:48 am

I like it. I like it alot. Kupchak = asswipe.

He proved he was an asswipe since last season. LA was fortunate enough to sign Malone + GP. Besides them...LA seemed doomed last season already. :x
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:09 am

Kupchak is nothing more than a wanna-be Jerry West. A company man who thinks he's slick but in reality everyone can see what a fool he is.
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:35 am

Adding to what you said, this situation isn't too good for his credibility.

The way he handled the situation I mean, telling Shaq he would give him what he wants, then alienating him in hopes of bringing back Kobe.

Future players might say...whatever he says is just a temporary thing, might change what he says in a day or two. :?
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Postby . on Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:30 am

According to ESPN News, gary Payton decided to stay and play for the Lakers.

I hope he can bring in more then he did the previous season now that he is not forced to use the triangle, I would also like him to run the break more.

Fisher however wants a starting job, so I guess this means goodbye Fish :(

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Rudy T shows his interest in Lakers coaching Job

Ex-Rockets coach interested in job

CANDIDATE: Rudy Tomjanovich, who led Houston to two titles, hopes to be considered.


01:21 AM PDT on Saturday, June 19, 2004



By BRODERICK TURNER / The Press-Enterprise

Rudy Tomjanovich, who coached the Houston Rockets to two NBA titles, wants to replace Phil Jackson as the Lakers' coach, according to league and team sources.

Jackson and the Lakers parted ways after five seasons Friday.

Tomjanovich hasn't heard from the Lakers, but he hopes he gets a call, the sources said.

"He would definitely like to sit down with the Lakers and talk," one source close to Tomjanovich said. "If he can get back into coaching, that would be the job he would take."

Tomjanovich didn't coach last season because he was recovering from bladder cancer. But after getting five or six checkups over the past eight months that showed he was getting healthier, Tomjanovich began to get the "itch" to coach again, the sources said.

One source said Tomjanovich was excited about the Lakers' job because of the opportunity to coach Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.

But O'Neal demanded a trade Friday and Bryant officially opted out of his contract and will become a free agent, leaving the Lakers' roster uncertain.

Tomjanovich hoped word would get to O'Neal about his interest in the job before the big center forced the Lakers to trade him, according to sources.

What makes Tomjanovich a good candidate, the sources said, is that he is a high-profile, proven winner, the kind of coach the Lakers would need to fill the very large shoes of Jackson.

Tomjanovich won NBA championships with the Rockets in 1993-94 and 1994-95.

He also has dealt with superstars before. He had a team with Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and Charles Barkley and another with Olajuwon, Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

Tomjanovich is known for massaging egos and dealing with people and issues with ease, according to the sources.

The sources also said Tomjanovich is good with the media and a player-friendly coach.

"He thinks the Lakers can still win the championship," one source said. "He is getting excited again. He wants to coach the Lakers."

Lakers owner Jerry Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak haven't had any discussions about a new coach.

Others who might be considered include former Lakers and Miami Heat coach Pat Riley, veteran NBA coach George Karl, Lakers assistants Kurt Rambis and Jim Cleamons and former Lakers players Michael Cooper and Brian Shaw. Riley is president of the Heat; Cooper is coach of the WNBA's LA Sparks.

Good news (Y), he and Riley are definetly on the top of my list.
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Postby Amphatoast on Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:46 am

finally someone is stepping up saying something..
all this shaq and tmac talk needs ot be resolved by both of them.
If they wanna play together, they need to straight up say so so their GMs won't be going so bananas and work out a deal.
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Postby TRIO DOROBO on Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:13 am

it seems that the truth has come out in the open. Lakers was all along Kobe's team. Lakers tired up of having a lazy big ass in their team. hey bid granddaddy shaq you're not that dominant anymore so shut up and dont demand a bigger contract. your comparing yourself to KG value but your value was now little than the MVP KG. a backcourt of Kobe-Gp will be great plus given the right players around them they can make a difference and hoping they can get a 1-2 good player for shaq plus from free agent market they can still contend.

picking kobe will be a long term plan for lakers than having an old center for a 2-3 years. by the way if kobe got convicted then lakers will have a lot of money to start from scratch with the young players coming on the league.

i know someone or maybe 2 or 3 person will be angry of my post well it just my opinion so peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:45 am

TRIO DOROBO wrote:it seems that the truth has come out in the open. Lakers was all along Kobe's team. Lakers tired up of having a lazy big ass in their team. hey bid granddaddy shaq you're not that dominant


*sigh* Sorry to disappoint you, but LA was Shaq's team, and Shaq's team alone. I think even the Kobe fans can vouch for this.

Why do you think Kobe has wanted to leave since forever? He wants his OWN team, remember? LA being Kobe's team all along = :lol:

Sure, Shaq has declined, he's not as dominant as he once was...he still pwns any other Center in the league. Kobe was stopped by Prince. Shaq can be stopped by...? :cool:
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Postby . on Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:05 am

I think even the Kobe fans can vouch for this.

Not me.

Sure Shaq was the main vocal point of the Lakers 3-peat run, but Kobe was a huge part of it aswell, who knows how the 2001 playoffs might have ended if it wasnt for Kobes excellent series against San Antonio in the Western Conference Finals.

It was Shaq AND Kobes team, Shaq was bigger....but Kobe contributed alot in the championship years, and was without a doubt a leader of the Lakers. Even Gary Payton said "This still is Shaq and Kobes team"

Thats why they called them the one two punch.
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Postby TRIO DOROBO on Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:27 am

yeah its kobe and shaq team for a while. its shaq team from year 1996-2000. when they just a playiff team. but during the 3-peat it was shaq-kobe team. i dont think lakers will win three ring with sahq alone. as i remember it was kobe who carry the team in playoff like Mr. k08e4mvp said and when finlas come that the only time shaq will do his work to get the finals mvp award.

and by the kobe was stop by prince alone. sometimes by double teaming him as he touches the ball. well shaq was stop somewhat by the wallace's and elden even okur give him a hard time. but i guess shaq stopped himself but not playing as hard as he can be. he was even outplayed by ben oh let's just say outhustle coz ben want it more. complaining that he never get the touches well be at the right place so you can get the ball and not just be on one place. he was called for so many 3 second violation. plus he can be easily stopped just foul him and it was a sure turnover for lakers. kobe 's problem was he do so much that he forced him so many shot but you can blamed the kid from trying not like shaq who just wait for the ball to come to him. and you also said that he was declined so pls tell shaq to he has declined and pls dont ask for and increased for his salary.

kobe i think and i said i think he will come back to lakers coz
1. phil was out making him play he's as what he's skill was.
2. shaq will be traded
3. its his team now.

and lastly shaq and kobe playing together help each other. it's not like kobe make shaq jod much easier or shaq make kobe job easier coz we all know that it was both. without kobe no 3 rings and without shaq no 3 rings. they carry each other on court and that's make both their job easier than having themself all alone. well it will be much easier if the supporting cast will do their job. (malone got injured. payton lose on triangle offense. fisher and rush disappearing act and missing the likes of horry and madsen).

i still believe lakers will be in good hand for long term if htey have kobe than shaq.
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Postby air gordon on Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:38 am

how successfull would a laker team built around bryant be?

more successful then a team built around shaq?

i'm interested to hear logical explanations as to why which side does better


imo i think the team around bryant succeeds more. i would not give shaq the extension he is asking for given his health history. also he is showing signs of slowing down. $30 million or whatever insane amount for someone that misses a fair amount of regular season games (and still wears down in the playoffs) which could cost precious homecourt advantage ? its not a wise decision.

LAL could peddle off shaq for a great package of players and still not kill their payroll nyk style. just as long they get a good PF in return to compete in the PF all star heavy west.
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Postby . on Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:53 am

Rudy T to meet the Lakers
Rudy Tomjanovich, the former Rockets coach and one of the most popular figures in Houston sports history, agreed today to meet with the Lakers to discuss succeeding Phil Jackson as Lakers coach.

Tomjanovich issued a brief statement on Saturday confirming that he would look into the position.

"I have been contacted and am interested in discussing things with the Lakers and hearing what they have to say," Tomjanovich said.

Details have not been completed, but Tomjanovich will meet with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak either Monday or Tuesday in Los Angeles.

Tomjanovich, 55, resigned as Rockets coach a year ago to treat bladder cancer. With treatments successful, he had planned to sit out at least two full seasons before considering a return to coaching.

A Rockets personnel consultant last season, Tomjanovich worked as a scout and said he enjoyed that position. But he also said several weeks ago that he would be willing to listen to teams interested in talking to him about a return to coaching.

Tomjanovich, 503-397 in 12 seasons as Rockets coach, had more than twice the wins of any other Rockets coach (Bill Fitch was 216-194 with the Rockets) and led the Rockets to two NBA championships. He, Chuck Daly and Lenny Wilkens are the only coaches to have led teams to NBA and Olympic championships.

In 11 seasons as a Rockets player, he averaged 17.4 points and 8.1 rebounds and was a three-time All Star. The Rockets retired his No. 45 in 1982.

Though Tomjanovich has been hesitant to return to coaching, the Lakers' struggles in the Finals might make the job more attractive. Rather than coaching a team still expected to dominate, he would take over a team looking for changes.

Sources said former SuperSonics and Bucks coach George Karl, and current Lakers assistants Jim Cleamons and Kurt Rambis are also on the short list for the LA job. Miami president and former Lakers coach Pat Riley could get a call.

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Postby DipSetVC on Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:08 am

I don't know why most Laker fans are panicking, you guys will be fine. There's no way in hell you will lose both Kobe and Shaq. It would make more sense for the Lakers to re-sign Bryant and trade O'Neal for 3 or 4 decent players.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:45 pm

How Kobe will get to the Clippers and keep Shaq happy in LA....

STEP ONE:

The Atlanta Hawks trade their two first Round Draft Picks to the Clippers in order to get Dwight Howard/Predrag D. and any other unwanted contract.

STEP TWO:

Step One allows The Clippers to get more CAP Space in order to entice Kobe Bryant into joining them

STEP THREE:

Kobe Joins Clippers while Shaq remains extremely happy in LA

STEP FOUR:

In first preseason game Shaq kills Kobe
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:53 pm

how successfull would a laker team built around bryant be?

I think honestly that depending on the players we would get in return for Shaq (Only way to get rid of him) and if Kobe plays to mJ-like potential...LA would make the play-offs. But we wouldn't be contenders.

more successful then a team built around shaq?

A team built around Shaq would succeed more also depending on the role players LA gets. It's still possible Kobe could be traded to Orlando

So in terms of record I would see a Kobe-led team going 45-37 and a Shaq led team going 52-30
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Postby Micchy_boy on Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:22 pm

k08e4mvp wrote:
I think even the Kobe fans can vouch for this.

Not me.

Sure Shaq was the main vocal point of the Lakers 3-peat run, but Kobe was a huge part of it aswell, who knows how the 2001 playoffs might have ended if it wasnt for Kobes excellent series against San Antonio in the Western Conference Finals.

It was Shaq AND Kobes team, Shaq was bigger....but Kobe contributed alot in the championship years, and was without a doubt a leader of the Lakers. Even Gary Payton said "This still is Shaq and Kobes team"

Thats why they called them the one two punch.


i agree with all you said esp those word "Not me".

but i like to see shaq and kobe on same team coz we have a better chances than having only one of them.

by the way shaq and kobe are one-two punch of lakers(with the one=shaq and kobe=two). in boxing i know in one-two punch, the first punch was a big strong punch and the second punch (two) was the killing punch (much deadly than the first) :lol: :lol:
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Postby Jackal on Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:59 am

One-two punch.

Who's the one?
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Postby . on Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:17 am

Psycho Jackal wrote:One-two punch.

Who's the one?

Kobe, but that doesnt mean that the Lakers are not his team.
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Postby Jackal on Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:42 am

*sigh* Forget this. I've done it too many times to do it again.

I don't understand how a team can be a players, if that player is replaceable. Look at how many guards are in the league, there are enough guards out there that can do Kobe's job. Does he command the double? No, maybe once in awhile but not on a consistant basis. The value of O'Neal is more than the value of Bryant. You can say Bryant is a better player, but value people, I'm talking VALUE...Shaq's VALUE is more.

The attention he demands on the floor is enough to overshadow Kobe.

Seriously, it's been the same people repeating the same thing over and over again.

I want to hear from others, non laker fans.

You're in the finals, you've got good perimeter defenders but have a weak front court (which team doesnt if we're talking about Shaq?)

Ok, that's your team. You can go up against a Kobe led team with so-so big men (why a so so big man? Where will they get a good one?) and then you have a Shaq led team with so so perimeter players. They can knock down an open shot if it's given to them.

Who do you want your team up against? :idea:
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