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Interesting article about Kobe's future and Shaq GM'ing

Postby RedTorro on Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:52 am

Smething's gotta give in L.A.

BY SAM SMITH

Chicago Tribune


LOS ANGELES - (KRT) - So what if this Lakers' thing does come apart? There were lots of smiles going into Game 5, so many that coach Phil Jackson said he had to warn the team about being "too giddy."

Afterward, it was the same issues. Shaquille O'Neal stalked out of the locker room suggesting the ball didn't go into him enough, that the team became selfish. Translation: Kobe messed it up. Kobe Bryant said O'Neal could get the ball anytime he wanted and the team wasn't aggressive enough: Translation: Shaq's too lazy, unmotivated and out of shape.

Nothing's really changed. And even if the Lakers go onto the NBA Finals and win, it seems unlikely the Bryant-O'Neal pairing can survive.

Nothing is out of the question, but here's one scenario to clip and save: Yao Ming to the Lakers in three years to pair with Bryant.

Think about it: I'm sure Houston is a fine place, but Yao is on the way to becoming perhaps the world's most famous athlete. Billboards of him are everywhere in Asia. It makes the most sense if he's going to remain in the NBA, certainly for marketing, to play on the West Coast with its huge Asian population.

It was interesting last week when O'Neal again insisted he would not be taken for granted and expected a contract extension beginning at about $30 million per season. The Lakers are offering $10 million less per year.

"I can continue to get guys to come play with me for nothing,'' O'Neal said. "I won't be devalued. Never, ever devalued. I will never take less than what I am worth. I'm the one that's bringing the players in anyway.

"I've been the general manager of this team for the last two years. So I don't want to hear about blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah. Because I'm the one who's bringing them in. I'm the one making the phone calls. ... Everybody wants to play with the Diesel because I make things easy. They double- and triple-team me, and I kick it out to you for a nice, easy, wide-open three. Add years to your career.''
<= Hey are you listing Ray? Get out of Seattle ! :lol: Or .. Reggie, mabey finish off with a ring and come back to LA. Payton and Malone gave up, you can too :wink:

Perhaps. But the Lakers have this very big issue of Bryant's free agency. They are determined not to lose Bryant, who, assuming he is not convicted in his sexual-assault trail, is considered by ownership the premier attraction. O'Neal is 32, wants $30 million-plus per year for two or three years after he is 34, misses at least 15-20 games with injuries every season already, and seems to have lost some of the explosiveness and quickness that made him a dominant scorer. He's at career scoring lows this season in the regular season and playoffs.

Without O'Neal and Bryant together, the Lakers' future is questionable. So they could be patient. Re-sign Bryant, who is guided by the new salary rules and could be paid "only" about $15 million a year. And trade O'Neal this summer.

O'Neal has made it clear he's not going to be happy without that contract extension given all his recent barbs at general manager Mitch Kupchak. So sacrifice a few seasons while working to get Yao, who seems best as a complementary center who could fit better with the dashing Bryant. It's unlikely Houston would make a deal, especially with the Lakers. So the Lakers just have to begin clearing salary-cap space and wait the three years. Bryant would only be 28 then, the age when Michael Jordan first started winning championships. That's plenty of time for a long run with Yao.

The McGrady factor

So what to do with O'Neal? Trading him still would shock the NBA. The Lakers would have to deal him out of the Western Conference, which means they'd only see him in the Finals if both get there. That's unlikely. The best option is Orlando, where O'Neal still owns his home and has said he plans to live after he retires and would even like to own part of the franchise.

Enter Tracy McGrady. Or exit, if you will.

McGrady, in interviews with Florida newspapers last week, effectively rejected top draft prospects Emeka Okafor (he said Okafor is much shorter than 6-10) and Dwight Howard and seemingly demanded a trade.

"The dilemma for the franchise is, `Do you want to try and win now or wait two or three years for a guy to develop?'

" McGrady said. "I'm not trying to wait that long to win. ... I just think that it would be best to go get a guy ready to fill a role and contribute right away. But if we can't change the team this summer, I just think the best thing would be for me to move on."

The Magic is in a desperate situation and going nowhere even with the No. 1 pick. McGrady can opt out of his contract after next season, so his market value will be limited unless he agrees to sign. The Clippers, eyeing Bryant, would love a shot at McGrady and probably would package the No. 2 pick with some of their young players. But it probably wouldn't suit McGrady, and having the top two picks in this draft isn't going to excite anyone in Orlando. McGrady mentioned he'd like to play in Houston, but even Steve Francis isn't enough to compensate for McGrady, the league's leading scorer.

T-mac to the Clipps would bring that franchise from the depths of hell. IMO :cool:

But O'Neal, whom the Magic lost in 1996 to free agency, is appealing, especially if he can draw talent like he says. And in the East, even at lesser effectiveness, he should be that dominant scorer again and get Orlando back into the playoffs.

Figure the Magic package McGrady, the No. 1 pick and some of their bad contracts for O'Neal and perhaps lesser and future draft picks. Bryant and McGrady can't really play together, but it could be a curiosity for a year. Or the Lakers could trade McGrady to Detroit or Indiana, two other teams McGrady mentioned he'd sign with because of their lack of playoff scoring.

McGrady wouldn't stay with the Lakers, but his leaving after a year would begin opening the salary-cap room to eventually lure Yao. It would require patience and a few down seasons for the Lakers.

It's certainly a long-term scenario and perhaps fanciful. But how much longer can O'Neal glare at Bryant after losses? Something's got to give. Or someone's got to go.

Safe at home

By the way, McGrady said he told Team USA coach Larry Brown he was withdrawing from the Olympics in Athens because of terrorism concerns, not because he was getting married, which was the story that came out.

"I woke up and read that in the papers and I was shocked," McGrady said. "Next thing I know, my girl is calling me and saying, `I didn't know we were getting married.' I had concerns about the whole thing and decided to stay home and be safe."

Hawks like Harris

The Hawks are said to be leaning toward Mavericks assistant Del Harris for their head-coaching job. Harris had a shot at the Cavaliers' job before Paul Silas, but rejected it. Now, Don Nelson's staff isn't as secure and Harris, coaching this summer's Chinese Olympic team, is looking for opportunities.

The Hawks also talked with former coach Mike Fratello, who looks to be the best candidate given his success in previous jobs. Fratello also is talking to the Hornets about the general manager job but prefers to return to coaching.

Goodbye, Greg

If the community has anything to do with it, free-agent Greg Ostertag probably is done in Utah. A Salt Lake City TV station ran an Internet poll asking how big a contract the Jazz should offer. "Let him walk" got 87 percent.

Ostertag grew up in the Dallas area and the Mavs are said to have interest. They supposedly would like the Jazz to re-sign Ostertag to a short-term deal matching that of Utah native Shawn Bradley and make the trade. Said Ostertag: "They need a rebounder and shot-blocker, which I can be. It would be my ultimate dream to play in Dallas."

Big talk

Prepster Dwight Howard is lobbying the Magic. Said Howard: "I'm gonna be the No. 1 pick. I'll get them to decide that when they see me work out."

Whither Phil?

The best sign Phil Jackson may return to the Lakers is Byron Scott taking the Hornets job. Scott supposedly has been the choice of Kobe Bryant to replace Jackson, but Scott supposedly was told not to count on that.

<= Last I checked Phil still had some room on his toes for rings. Not to mention he could always get his ears pieced. :lol:
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:43 am

I don't think Shaq is worth 30million like Jordan was. Jordan game didn't get worst, and I don't recall Jordan getting injured at all if any seriously with the bulls.(dont bother counting his time with wizards, he went cheap for like 1 mill a year) Jordan brought rings, Jordan brough fans, Jordan got his own statue, Jordan is likely the best, if not top 3 players ever in NBA history leading his team along with supporters to 6 championships. Final minutes Jordan takes over the game..Final minutes before 2 minutes, Hack-a-shaq begins and inside 2 minutes, the drama of Shaq and his free throws start. If Shaq shot 80% @ the line or better, they ya 30mill+ for shaq might be worth it, but with injuries+bad free throws+aging+needing help on young Yao=not worth it.
i rather pay kobe the bucks than shaq.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:48 pm

Even though Shaq is worth a lot of money, I don't think he should be insulted at an offer of $20 million. I don't think too many players will be taking paycuts as Payton and Malone did to play alongside Shaq. Payton and Malone are both players who are nearing the end of their careers, who have had shots at a championship, both falling to the Chicago Bulls in six games.

If Shaq is being serious with those comments, his ego is way out of control. It would serve him right if Payton, Malone and Kobe all left, leaving him to carry the team by himself.
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Postby beau_boy04 on Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:57 pm

According to hoopshype Shaq has two more seasons to go until 2005/06 in which he'd get paid $32,410,716. If I'm not mistaken Shaq is 32 now and by 2006 he'd be 34 which I don't like. If I was the LA's owner I'd trade Shaq with the best value players out in the market. Shaq is aging, not the same old quick and powerful and he is demanding too much for such a terrible FT shooter. So far in 17 playoff games he's averaging .412 in FT shooting. That is horrible. LA could get any trade any there with Shaq. I like Elton Brand and Corey Maggette for Shaq.
I think T-Mac and Kobe can play together. Kobe in SG position and T Mac in SF position. What would be wonderful!!! I have no idea who took the torch when Michael Jordan left the game but T Mac and Kobe are the 2 best choices. What'd be sick.... two "almost MJ" in the same team? they could win a lots of titles together and plus they're very young still.
If I was the owner I'd do my best to pull a trade with the Orlando Magic and get T Mac and still being able to keep Kobe. What a dream!!!!
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:03 pm

Kobe and T-Mac could be an awesome tandem, but it would probably be a similar situation to the Shaq/Kobe feud, with neither player wanting to be #2.
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Postby kevC on Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:21 pm

wow WHAT an asshole! So big-headed... I will kill myself if Yao goes to LA
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Postby hmm on Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:24 pm

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Postby Bang on Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:32 am

If all were to work out with the Tmac/Kobe thing is that they could be like Pippen and Jordan. But nobody can sacrifice their life for another player like Pippen. Also, Kobe nor Tmac plays like Pippen.
I can't help being biased because Shaq is my favorite player. The fact is simple, Shaq is still by far the most dominant center. Even if he lost some of his dominance, he still plays MUCH better than any other center in the league. Yao? You gotta be kidding me. The fact is, Shaq is double teamed and triple teamed constantly.
I LOVE MJ. I really do. But his stats did decrease over the years.
92-93 32.6 ppg
95-96 30.4 ppg
96-97 29.6 ppg (30 M dollar season)
97-98 28.7 ppg (33 M dollar season)
Yes, it didn't go down too much, but it did go down.
Also, you gotta think about inflation. Shaq's 30M isn't the same as Jordan's 30M.
About the Shaq not being reliable in the last few minutes, well he's a Center. He sucks at shooting free throws. He still has 3 championships. Will get a 4th this year. He can get 2...or more. He did get Payton and Malone to join, didn't he?
Shaq isn't as good as Jordan, but Shaq is still one of the best players ever.
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Postby Bang on Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:36 am

OH yea, stating Phil Jackson's famous(?) quote...
"You can't win a championship without a dominant big man. The bulls were an aberration."
You see, Tmac and Kobe will probably not work well since the Lakers will have no big man to rely on. Also, why is Kobe so good? A lot of it has to do with the fact that Shaq is constantly doubled. I don't think Kobe-Yao or Kobe-Tmac would work as well. Kobe should know what's best for him. Re-sign with the Lakers. Let's win some more rings.
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Postby RedTorro on Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:33 am

I think Kobe's biggest problem frankly, is he hates the triangle because it's killing his stats. I really don't see either Shaq or Kobe leaving the team anytime soon. Sure they probably hate sharing the spotlight but they certainly will do more together than they will apart. I feel the Kobe - Tmac connection can be Pippen and Jordan rebourne. You put an above average big man, T-mac and Kobe together and the league will have issues for years to come. I really don't see their ego's getting in the way because everytime you see Kobe and T-mac they tend to push eachother to put on a show for the fans.
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Postby . on Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:20 am

As much as I respect Kobe´s point of view by leaving the Lakers for more personal goals, I agree that he and Shaq are a winning combination, and it should be this way. Kobe wants to leave like RedBulls claimed, because the triangle and Shaq are holding him back and holding his stats down. Most people would say he should stop whining and be lucky to be in the winning position he is in right now, but personal goals like statistics are part of the game aswell, and important to players, maybe for players winning comes first, personal stuff comes later, but Kobe already has won 3 championships, and all of them were mostly because of Shaq while Kobe doesnt get the props he deserves Imo.
Shaquille O'Neal stalked out of the locker room suggesting the ball didn't go into him enough, that the team became selfish

TNT made some comments about this during game 6, they said Shaq had 30 something touches in the game, but he didnt get himself in the position to score, a couple of years ago he still was able to do that, get the ball, make a few dribbles inside and use good footwork and have a easy basket, but now most of his points come from slashing players like Kobe and Gary, or smart passes from Malone, or when Shaq got himself in the position where he wants to be before he got the ball. He is getting frustrated and was forcing long shots while being defended very well, if he can get himself in the position where he can score, then I say give him the ball...but if he doesnt, then he shouldnt complain about the lack of touches Imo
Nothing's really changed. And even if the Lakers go onto the NBA Finals and win, it seems unlikely the Bryant-O'Neal pairing can survive.

Shaq said on a Fox Sports report that the media was over reacting with this hole Shaq/Kobe thing, he said they do get mad at each other time by time, but he conciders Kobe as his little brother, and brothers do get mad at each other every now and then.

I think Shaq is still the most dominating player by far in the game, but he is getting older, slower and less dominant every year, so why would he get more money then he got when he was in his prime and won the MVP award?




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Postby Bang on Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:46 am

I think the Kobe-Shaq situation bears an odd resemblence to the Pippen-Jordan relation. Phil Jackson thinks of Shaq as "Jordan" and Kobe as "Pippen". In other words, Shaq will always be the main player in the eyes of Phil Jackson. I feel sad that nobody can be willing to sacrifice money and stats like Pippen did. Isn't the goal to win championships? What are stats if you're in a team game and you win nothing? In Jordan's 30M season and 33M season, Scottie Pippen just received around $2,250,000. I don't know if Pippen is just worth nearly 1/15 of Jordan. I don't think so. The reward? 6 championships. I hope Shaq and Kobe would learn from this...but then money is everything, isn't it? Then Kobe should still return to the Lakers, since we can offer the most money.
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Postby Bang on Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:58 am

I don't think Kobe and Tmac can become "MJ and Pip 2".
1) They're close to the same player. Their playing styles are a bit too similar to work.
2) One of them will have to give up the ball more often. (The Pippen role)
3) Have you seen how AI and Stackhouse worked out?
4) The Bulls were an aberration to the standard system. Chances are it won't work. Historically we've seen teams with great big men win it.
5) Kobe and Tmac have big egos. They have HUGE egos. Kobe wants to be Jordan. Tmac wants to be Jordan. NOBODY wants to be Pippen. Eventually it will all fall apart.
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Postby RedTorro on Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:39 am

bangyounh wrote:I think the Kobe-Shaq situation bears an odd resemblence to the Pippen-Jordan relation. Phil Jackson thinks of Shaq as "Jordan" and Kobe as "Pippen". In other words, Shaq will always be the main player in the eyes of Phil Jackson. I feel sad that nobody can be willing to sacrifice money and stats like Pippen did. Isn't the goal to win championships? What are stats if you're in a team game and you win nothing? In Jordan's 30M season and 33M season, Scottie Pippen just received around $2,250,000. I don't know if Pippen is just worth nearly 1/15 of Jordan. I don't think so. The reward? 6 championships. I hope Shaq and Kobe would learn from this...but then money is everything, isn't it? Then Kobe should still return to the Lakers, since we can offer the most money.


Money will be everything eventually because Kobe will have hefty lawyer fees to pay off and he will probably end up giving half of everything to Vanessa. :D
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