McGrady: Magic need more then #1 pick to keep him.

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Postby Drex on Sun May 30, 2004 2:18 am

The thing is can he play with another superstar?

We don't know. But, IMO, he has played all this year almost alone in Orlando, and he knows that you can't win by yourself in the NBA, you need other players, if it's a superstar, better (Y). Look at the opposite case, Kobe (sorry to go off-topic). He's played his whole career with a superstar, a dominant big man, with excelent results (three-peat, 'nough said), and now he wants to be the leader of a team, to see how far he can take them. Again, IMHO, he will get the same results as McGrady if he tries to do that.
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Postby . on Sun May 30, 2004 2:34 am

McGrady wanted to be a go to player on a different team because Toronto wasnt the best situation for him at the time, but when he signed with Orlando, he thought he and Grant Hill would become a succesfull combo, but instead Hill is watching games from the bench, this is something that he didnt expect, but I dont think he went to Orlando to win in the first place, i think he wanted to prove himself that he can be a superstar player, and now that he has showed that, his next step is getting far in the playoffs. And he knows that Orlando wont get there with the roster they have right now, and Im sure the #1 pick in the draft wont help them out.
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Postby Jackal on Sun May 30, 2004 3:16 am

Well, the number one pick of this year might not get him to the playoffs, the number one pick named Yao Ming might. :arrow:

Tracy McGrady would rather quickly relocate to another team this summer than slowly rebuild with the Orlando Magic.

If the Magic can't significantly improve next season by making deals -- moving their No. 1 pick for veteran players, for example -- McGrady told the Sentinel on Friday that he would "probably have no choice" but to push for a trade in mid-July to a Western Conference team.

And, contrary to reports and rumors, it's not the Los Angeles Lakers or the San Antonio Spurs that McGrady is eyeing.

McGrady said from his south Orlando home that the Houston Rockets likely would be his first choice should he and the Magic part ways.

A league source told the Sentinel that T-Mac also would be receptive to the Indiana Pacers or the Detroit Pistons because they've had trouble scoring in the playoffs.

Magic General Manager John Weisbrod says the Magic will continue to do everything they can to keep McGrady in pinstripes.

Asked about a report listing the Lakers and Spurs as teams that interest him, McGrady said, "No, not San Antonio and L.A. "I don't want to go there. I don't want to go somewhere where everything's already in place. That would be too easy. I want a challenge."

The Magic, as constructed, apparently present too much of a challenge. ( :lol: )

Orlando won the NBA draft lottery and rights to the No. 1 pick Wednesday, but McGrady's comments temper that coup.

He reiterated he doesn't believe there is a player in the draft who can improve the team dramatically (most experts agree). The top overall draft choice represents the most leverage the Magic have in upgrading the team through trades, considering they have no salary-cap room and most of their players under contract have little market value.

McGrady would rather the Magic trade the pick -- likely Connecticut center Emeka Okafor -- in return for some veteran players who might provide immediate help. "I don't want to be here rebuilding," McGrady said.

Weisbrod said teams started calling the Magic about the pick Thursday. Pulling off such deals is easier said than done. The top pick has been traded only twice since the creation of the lottery in 1985.

"It all depends on who they can get," McGrady said.

McGrady rattled off some trade scenarios for the No. 1 pick, and most included shot-blocking defenders. Blocking shots and defending are Okafor's strengths, but McGrady wonders if Okafor can have a major impact, given he'll be a rookie and wants to play power forward.

McGrady, who turned 25 Monday, is still torn. He talks about leaving, but in the next breath becomes emotional, and says he really doesn't want to go anywhere.

"I don't want to leave Orlando, not at all," he said. "Man, I'd love to win here more than anything."

But he also is determined not to go through another losing season, much less champion a rebuilding effort. "I can't do that again. I'm just sick sitting here having to watch guys in the playoffs," he said. "It just eats me up."

The Magic are trying to put together a franchise shattered by a league-worst 21-61 season.

McGrady was asked just what it would take for him to stay in Orlando.

"That would take, like, a big man who gets 15 [points] and 10 [rebounds] every night and blocks shots . . . to have a defensive stopper on the wing, a solid point guard and a guy who can knock down open jump shots to prevent the double-teams," he said.

McGrady longs to play with a dominant big man such as 7-foot-6 Rockets center Yao Ming, and for a club that needs a superstar to climb into contention. Houston made the playoffs as a seventh seed this season. "I really don't need much to work with; look at our team that got a 3-1 lead on Detroit [in the playoffs last season]. . . . Guys who know how to play the game and will play hard and guys who are coachable."

McGrady can opt out of his seven-year, $93-million contact after next season. Weisbrod wants T-Mac to decide if he wants to stay before the start of training camp; if not, the club will try to accommodate his trade request.

McGrady said he'll have an answer around mid-July, after free agents are signed. The Magic have a $5 million middle-class exception to spend.

If he's indeed serious about the deadline, McGrady will not have a chance to gauge Grant Hill's health. T-Mac said Hill, recovering from a fourth left ankle surgery, was "the key" to him making his decision.

Hill said Friday that he won't start serious training until late July or early August. Said Hill, "I really would like the chance to finally play a whole season with Tracy. I hope we both can."


I think his best options (from the choices) would be Indiana. Good PF, great defensive stopper on the wing, deep bench and given an open shot, Tinsley can knock it down.

Miller is going to retire soon anyways.

T-Mac+O'Neal+Ron = Good team. Now if they can work together is something else, but it's quite a good team. It would make the east a whole lot more interesting.

T-Mac in Houston, I dont see it working, but that's just my opinion, T-Mac will clash with Steve's game, he's also a driving player, not a spot up shooter.
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Postby Colin on Sun May 30, 2004 5:06 am

T-Mac in Detroit. *drools* Wallace and Wallace to stop, Billups to hit open jumpers, him and Prince/Hamilton on the wings. That team would be unstoppable.
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Postby RedTorro on Sun May 30, 2004 5:18 am

Jordan+Pippen, Stockton+Malone, Shaq+Kobe, McGrady+Duncan = duo of tommorow. Can you say goodbye to Manu and Parker?
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Postby fgrep15 on Sun May 30, 2004 6:10 am

Tmac has to be the most selfish person ever,

Having already endured a dreadful 21-61 season, McGrady told FLORIDA TODAY that he has no desire to go through a long-term rebuilding process or witness the growing pains of a kid making the leap from the preps to the pros. McGrady can opt out of his contract following next season, and says that he will have an answer as to his future in Orlando for the Magic brass by July.



From the first article: Man wasn't that him a few years ago, McGrady is gotta be one of the most selfish people ever.

Doesn't Tmac remembr when he was in Toronto and they waited for him to develop, and after he developed he left them thinking only about himself, man he's selfish.
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Postby Amphatoast on Sun May 30, 2004 7:23 am

mcgrady is talking a bit too much now...I guess he is doing this since he has nothing better to do lol
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Postby Jackal on Sun May 30, 2004 7:57 am

fgrep15 wrote:man he's selfish.


Every player in the league is selfish, even your favorites as are mine.

Every player comes into the league with four things in their mind:


    1- Money
    2- Money
    3- Be A Superstar
    4- Win A Ring


For some players, the Win A Ring comes ahead of the Be A "Supasta". McGrady needed to prove himself to be a star at first, now he wants the ring.

You just don't like McGrady, look at it from his point of view, then look at it from another players point of view, they all want the same thing. Yeah, McGrady is more vocal about it, and in turn...he's viewed as an asshole. Yay.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sun May 30, 2004 8:38 am

McGrady is my favorite player and I think if you put him around a team that has alot of talent or a team with another major superstar, he would become a diff. person IMO. Shaq is always hatin on superstar guards. look at how he did penny hardaway. they liked each other, but he left orlando just so he can get the spot light. then when kobe came in he didnt like him. its like a connection going on here :lol:

i would love to see tmac go to the grizzlies and if the grizzlies ended up doing that trade rumor thats been going around with chicago which is eddy curry and no.3 pick for gasol and battier, then they will have some caproom to sign a star player like tmac plus they could trade the pick to magic if they wanted it. can u picture jwill and tmac on a fastbreak!?! :shock:
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Postby fgrep15 on Sun May 30, 2004 8:56 am

Psycho Jackal wrote:
fgrep15 wrote:man he's selfish.


Every player in the league is selfish, even your favorites as are mine.

Every player comes into the league with four things in their mind:


    1- Money
    2- Money
    3- Be A Superstar
    4- Win A Ring


For some players, the Win A Ring comes ahead of the Be A "Supasta". McGrady needed to prove himself to be a star at first, now he wants the ring.

[b]You just don't like McGrady,
look at it from his point of view, then look at it from another players point of view, they all want the same thing. Yeah, McGrady is more vocal about it, and in turn...he's viewed as an asshole. Yay.[/b]


Since when did I not like McGrady? What are you assuming because I'm a Raptors fan I don't like him :roll:
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Postby PiksS on Sun May 30, 2004 9:48 am

a lil offtopic
T-Mac in Houston, I dont see it working, but that's just my opinion, T-Mac will clash with Steve's game, he's also a driving player, not a spot up shooter.

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- doesn`t look good :roll:

T-Mac is an asshole ( even his my fav. player ),i know he will go away from magic (I don`t want that :cry: ),but he wants that ring.
WHY can`t he be like AI,KG or VC,players who want to stay at there teams :evil:
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Postby fgrep15 on Sun May 30, 2004 11:35 am

That's what I'm saying, it's not about if you like or hate the guy but we all know his behaviour has been selfish.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun May 30, 2004 12:35 pm

Would this be possible?

The Magic have recently offered T-Mac for Amare Stoudamire. But the Suns declined and offered Shawn Marion.

If the Magic do accept Marion and Joe Johnson for T-mac. Then sign Kobe as a free agent. They would have Stoudamire/Bryant/T-mac on the same team. But I don't think they have enough money to spend like that.

And Mcgrady! Don't screw up Ming Dynastry and Stevie Franchise! F You if you do!
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Postby Nick on Sun May 30, 2004 1:11 pm

T-Mac+O'Neal+Ron = Good team.

Well, that would be very unlikely, can you see Indiana getting tmac through a trade that doesn't involve Jermaine or Ron?
T-Mac in Detroit. *drools* Wallace and Wallace to stop, Billups to hit open jumpers, him and Prince/Hamilton on the wings. That team would be unstoppable.

Again, who would they give up for him?
Tmac wrote: That would take, like, a big man who gets 15 (points) and 10 (rebounds) every night and blocks shots . . .

Sounds like Okafor is what you're after. lol.
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Postby Jackal on Sun May 30, 2004 9:46 pm

Nick wrote:Well, that would be very unlikely, can you see Indiana getting tmac through a trade that doesn't involve Jermaine or Ron?


Well he is a free agent after this season + Millers contract is up next season. I think they would have enough money to sign him as a free agent. Ofcourse that doest help T-Mac's "I gotta get out of Orlando" mindset.
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Postby . on Sun May 30, 2004 10:16 pm

Sit wrote:Would this be possible?

The Magic have recently offered T-Mac for Amare Stoudamire. But the Suns declined and offered Shawn Marion.

If the Magic do accept Marion and Joe Johnson for T-mac. Then sign Kobe as a free agent. They would have Stoudamire/Bryant/T-mac on the same team. But I don't think they have enough money to spend like that.

And Mcgrady! Don't screw up Ming Dynastry and Stevie Franchise! F You if you do!

The only way I see Kobe leaving the Lakers, is to be the leader of his team, I dont think he wants to sign with a team that has Tracy McGrady
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Postby matmat8 on Sun May 30, 2004 11:55 pm

That won't happen for sure :roll:
One team i'd like to see him is new york and the team that would need kobe is san antonio.
It would give a superstar duo kobe+duncan with parker and gino but also some fancy game for san antonio which is a "boring" team to watch sometimes.
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Postby hmm on Sun May 30, 2004 11:58 pm

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Postby Matt on Sun May 30, 2004 11:59 pm

I don't care where T-Mac goes as long as it's not Indiana. That would make them the best team in the league as long as there are no injuries or chemistry problems. T-Mac and JO would be around for ages together

He can come to Detroit. I'd be willing to part ways with anyone except B Wallace to get T-Mac
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Postby EGarrett on Mon May 31, 2004 2:42 am

PiksS wrote:a lil offtopic

- doesn`t look good :roll:

T-Mac is an asshole ( even his my fav. player ),i know he will go away from magic (I don`t want that :cry: ),but he wants that ring.
WHY can`t he be like AI,KG or VC,players who want to stay at there teams :evil:


Where did you get that picture? That's a REALLY good fake. Wow.

Anyway...

If I were the Orlando Magic, I wouldn't have any trouble with T-Mac leaving, as long as he agrees to do a sign and trade. Think of all the stuff you could get back...

Steve Francis + Cuttino Mobley
Michael Finley + Antawn Jamison
Shawn Marion + Joe Johnson
Darko Milicic, Rasheed Wallace, and Rip Hamilton (For T-Mac and Juwan)

Allen Iverson + A draft pick
Vince Carter + A draft pick
Kobe (trust me, they're available)

Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles and Nenad Krstic...

There are tons of fantasy trade scenarios. The problem the Magic have is that John Gabriel was such a horrible drafter that they didn't get him any help with their picks. Jeryl Sasser? Reece Gaines? Zaza Pachulia? Steve Hunter? So they don't have much to trade.
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Postby fgrep15 on Mon May 31, 2004 2:58 am

Sit wrote:Would this be possible?

The Magic have recently offered T-Mac for Amare Stoudamire. But the Suns declined and offered Shawn Marion.

If the Magic do accept Marion and Joe Johnson for T-mac. Then sign Kobe as a free agent. They would have Stoudamire/Bryant/T-mac on the same team. But I don't think they have enough money to spend like that.

And Mcgrady! Don't screw up Ming Dynastry and Stevie Franchise! F You if you do!


The Suns have said if they're trading for McGrady, JJ would not be in the deal, it's only for Marion, those rumours about JJ and Marion both in it were false.

I'm also not too sure about Amare for McGrady ever beaing a proposed deal, the contracts don't even match.
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon May 31, 2004 3:10 am

i don't see the Suns trading a big man for a guard...big men are hard to come by, theres way more guards than big men in the league.
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Postby Micchy_boy on Mon May 31, 2004 4:14 am

why not trade a selfish, ball hog self-center player with another.
t-mac to AI.

i just hope he stay at the east coz it will definitely make the east like a minor league conference.
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