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Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:10 pm
The Sixers, Rockets and Nuggets have agreed to a 3 team, 4 player deal. The Sixers get Kenny Thomas from Houston and send Mark Bryant, Art Long and a future first round pick to Denver. Denver sends James Posey to Houston, who in turn send a future 2nd round pick to the Nuggies.
Good trade for two of those teams one of which is not Denver. The Nuggs give up one of their only options on offence for no offence at all. Posey has been playing well this year and helping the talentless Denver to a few wins. Now it becomes more apparent their plan for the season and offseason. Lottery!!
Good pickup for Houston who have the often injured Rice and young Griffin but could still do with the scoring off the bench and Posey can step in to the starters spot anytime all season. They lose Thomas who has given them some good years, but he doesn't get a lot of minutes these days and they won't really need him if Maurice Taylor ever gets healthy.
Sixers are probably the biggest winners here, picking up a solid frontcourt scorer who can rebound and play some hard defence. All they had to give up was Long, Bryant and a draft pick (probably not that high).
Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:04 pm
IMO the rockets got the best end of the deal... Posey will be their starting sf, and they'll have rice and taylor, along with norris and cato coming off the bench... good...
Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:57 am
I think the Sixers needed some inside scoring off the bench and some more hustle, and definately got it in this trade. In the long run I expect Philly to be the winner of this trade. Right now, Houston got the best although they had to give up quite a lot to get Posey, they needed a starting SF and defensive stopper and thats what they got.
Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:43 pm
houston won the trade...but the sixers also benefited...while Denver just proved that its management made it the worst team in the leaguen...
Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:19 pm
Denver made it in my opinion:
-Make their team worse so can finish 29
-With a bit of luck they get #1 in the lottery
-Lebron James is for them = Publicity & Raising Superstar
-They only have 20 million $ of salaries next year so will look for great Free agents on summer.
-With Camby, Hilario, Lebron and a high-level free agent they should become a winner franchise in a near future.
Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:17 pm
as of now, i think the trade benefitted both the rockets and sixers most. agree with clinton regarding the rockets giving up thomas- his departure won't hurt their crowded frontcourt. when given the opportunity, it seemed he produced. i hope he does well in philly
i believe posey's stats will improve, or at least he'll be more efficient, due to the fact he is playing on a more talented team.
the recent move for denver is increasing their chances for the worst regular season winning percentage ever. i was gonna feel sorry for nba vet juwan howard but i remembered he is getting close being paid $20 million this year.
Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:14 pm
I voted for Philly.
They have a good lineup now...
T-Mac
Thomas
Van Horn
Iverson
Snow
And all they had to give up was almost retiring Bryant and crappy Long and a future first round pick, like as clinton said, wont be high anyway. They have a solid backup, namely McKie and Coleman.
Rockets sure have done well though...Hawkins can move down and let Posey start, who is a offensive powerhouse...or maybe posey can go up to SF and start?... But the downside is they had to give up thomas
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Denver denver denver...tsk tsk tsk...Well if they want LeBron...they're going the right way...but they have Cleveland to compete against.
Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:49 am
I understand this trade. Houston and Philly needed depth, and Denver decided that in the long run they would benefit by trading for picks to build a winner out of this sorry team. Posey was undoubtably the best talent on that team so he had to be sent packing. The future still looks good for the Nuggs. With Nene playing upto potential and Nikoloz doing a decent job off the bench. What Kiki Vandeweghe is looking for is A young and athletic and explosive gaurd that could be the catalsyt to this promising team. So with this developement can we add Denver to the Lebron James Sweepstakes?
On the otherhand Philly and Houston did nothing but improve their talent wastelands that they called their benches. Houston has found the explosive backup three they needed and now Philly has an athletic 4 that can give Keith a breather and Philly wouldn't miss a beat.
I think that every team won in this trade. Philly and h-town added a bench and denver added picks
Sat Dec 21, 2002 6:36 pm
So far Kenny Thomas has been the most significant addition, so for one game at least, the Sixers got the best of the deal. Still, I think the Sixers should add another PG...who backs up the point at the moment?
Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:08 pm
who backs up the point at the moment?
Good question. They have nothing in the way of point guards beyond Snow. McKie can play there, but he lacks the ballhandling and speed. In fact the only guard the Sixers have apart from Snow, Iverson and McKie is Greg Buckner who can't do much but defend. They should have kept hold of Speedy Claxton, he is alright for 10-20 minutes a night.
Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:41 pm
Doesn't McKie still start at SF though? Their roster is pretty much all forwards, with a couple of SGs and one PG (Snow), yet they're still up there in the Atlantic (dropped back to third with their latest loss though).
Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:45 pm
Doesn't McKie still start at SF though?
I think he still starts, but he plays a lot of minutes at either guard position. He slides down into the guard position when Iverson or Snow sit. They also play him there so he can defend he taller shooting guards in the league.
Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:07 pm
Maybe the Sixers should have been the ones to acquire Posey.
Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:31 am
They could do with that third scoring threat. In the East that is very handy.
Mon Dec 23, 2002 8:26 pm
But Kenny Thomas IS a scoring threat
Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:20 pm
Houston & Philly is the winner of this trade for sure..... but Denver do indeed increase their chances on Lebron James....
Philly need someone to play both 3, 4 as Philly has a few injured forwards now.... Thomas will give them a good scorer and rebounder (they need this most as Todd is not a good rebounder for obvious reason)...
Houston, in another hand, is packed at the 4 position..... its already been noted that either Taylor, Thomas or Griffin will be traded..... well Houston is also packed at the 3 with Rice, Morris, Nachbar, Hawkins, they still can use Posey as a good backup for Rice.... till now, Rice has shows a good shooting touch..... while Posey is a good defender and an ok shooter (shooting round 30+% this season)...... so Rockets can choose which player they want to play depending on the matchup.....
Denver....well, they will get the first pick....but one thing to take notes.... how many season have it been that the worse team doesn't wins the lottery?
Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:56 am
Too Bad the team with the worst record hasn't had the first pick since way back when DC was the num 1 overall pick....Then AGin Maybe itz due.
Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:52 am
But Kenny Thomas IS a scoring threat
Yeah, but not as much of a threat as Posey.
Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:21 pm
Kenny Thomas is more of a threat than Ames Posey if he takes as many shots, Ames simply doesn't have "J".
Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:13 pm
Llamaj Mim wrote:Kenny Thomas is more of a threat than Ames Posey if he takes as many shots, Ames simply doesn't have "J".
well that was a very cheesy attempt at being funny... lol
But if you consider the people around thomas and the people around posey, you'll see that posey is the more capable threat being that he comes from a team where he is the only offensive option, while K thomas comes from a team where he's not even an option, but serve as a bonus.... I mean, you have the mobley and francis duo workin with you they pass K thomas the ball occasionally, but he is not the primary option... Posey had to try to get his own... while being marked as the guy to watch...
I think posey would fit in well in h-town... if not destroy rocket chemistry...
Verdict:
3. Rockets get a wild card (being extremely pesimistic)
2. Denver go to the lotto
1. Sixers get a role player
don't know who really wins I guess rockets if you like to count your chickens before the eggs hatch...
yeah... the rockets...
Wed Dec 25, 2002 6:17 am
I wasn't trying to be funny, it's just the truth. Posey was never considered a threat, he shot a pathetic .373 from the field when his team really needed him to score. He was averaging 14 ppg (it took him 13 shots per game to do that) for a very bad team and he was the NO.1 option! Now he's with a playoff contender and became a 7th or 8th option on the offense, he'd be lucky to average one fourth of what he used to average. That means he won't help the Rockets much. On the other hand, Kenny Thomas is not just a scoring threat (when needed), he's also an excellent rebounder. He contributed right away the moment he arrived Philadelphia, scoring 11 pts in the first game and grabbed 13 rebounds in the second game. And he played more than 22 minutes a game. So the fact tells that Thomas is indeed more of a threat than Posey as I told you so.
Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:15 am
Posey is more of a defensive stopper naturally. He will help the Rockets because the last thing they need is another scorer. They start Francis, Mobley, Taylor and Ming. Taylor is a one-dimensional scorer who doesn't rebound or play D...same for Mobley...and Francis can do a lot but he chooses to look for his own shot most of the time. They really should try to trade Mobley and/or Taylor to bring in another defensive guard and a bruiser 4 to protect Yao.
Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:11 am
No they should not trade Mobley at all, Francis and Mobley are best friends and they play extremely well together, why would you wanna break that up? Taylor is fat and doesn't contribute much, but his contract and his low value made him uneasy to trade.
Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:56 am
Llamaj Mim wrote:I wasn't trying to be funny, it's just the truth. Posey was never considered a threat, he shot a pathetic .373 from the field when his team really needed him to score. He was averaging 14 ppg (it took him 13 shots per game to do that) for a very bad team and he was the NO.1 option! Now he's with a playoff contender and became a 7th or 8th option on the offense, he'd be lucky to average one fourth of what he used to average. That means he won't help the Rockets much. On the other hand, Kenny Thomas is not just a scoring threat (when needed), he's also an excellent rebounder. He contributed right away the moment he arrived Philadelphia, scoring 11 pts in the first game and grabbed 13 rebounds in the second game. And he played more than 22 minutes a game. So the fact tells that Thomas is indeed more of a threat than Posey as I told you so.
nice... we'll see how he goes... first one who's right gets the bragging rights hehe...
I still maintain on posey over k thomas though...
peace
Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:56 pm
talk about Posey's FG%.... u want to know why he is shooting at such a pathetic percentage? simple..... when u are a 2nd option in a very bad team, u ought to get lots of double/ triple team which make it harder for u to get ur shot off.... thus the shooting percentage goes down..... look at Posey first season, though not good, he is capable of shooting above 40% which is what most guards % are at......
he will not be a big threat in Houston, but Houston dun need him to be that much of a scorer anyway for some abvious reason.....
and btw, Francis doesn't looks for his own shots now.... he looks more to pass than his past season.....
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