Randolph Named MIP.

by **Jackal** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:36 am

Randolph Named MIP.

Congratulations, he deserved it, imho.

Erick Dampier didnt receive any votes.

That's almost all correct as far as predictions go, KG should be a lock, so the Champions is the only thing I'm waiting for to come true.

by **Ruff Ryder** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:04 am

Yep. Congrats to Randolph, now a 20 and 10 guy!

by **fgrep15** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:50 am

As we all should hopefully know, the most improved award isn't given to whoever actually improves their game the most, but its more of a most improved minutes award. It's about who got the largest increase in minutes from the last year.

Zach Randolph and Redd weren't most improved players, they shouldn't be candidates because of course the likely improved in the summer but their statistical change is due to minutes.
Tmac going from Toronto to Orlando didn't jut improve in minutes but improved statistically. This year the only guy's I would say improved were:
Erick Dampier
James Posey
Lamar Odom, the work he put in to become a PF was spectacular.
Joe Johnson
Brian Cardinal
Mark Blount
Q-Rich a little
Flip Murray, he improved a little, but he was already lighting up in practice and summer league last year.
Yao improved slightly but his offensive rebounding and blocking could have been better.
Manu Ginobili
Jason Williams
Marcus Camby
and Raja Bell

The rest of the guys made slight imprvements, but just got more minutes or produced about the same with less minutes. Randolph, Boozer, Redd, Mason, Magloire, Dalmbert, Arroyo, Artest, Maggette, Dunleavy, Tayshaun, Gasol, K.Thomas, and Nene

Rafer Alston I saw him doing this his last few months in Toronto.
and....
Richard Jefferson became a worse rebounder and he improved his scoring because he got a three point shot and became a better free throw shooter, but his improvement wasn't anything big.
Stephen Jackson had no improvement but his minute and his scoring, and that was due to him going to Atlanta where he got more shots.

by **The Game** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:48 am

(Taken from Lang Whitaker's links - Congratulations go to Zach Randolph, who ran away with the Most Improved Player Award earlier today. Interestingly, if he could learn how to pass out of the double team and play defense for next season, he could be the first player to win it back-to-back.

funny but true...

by **guillus2670** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:14 pm

[quote="fgrep15"]As we all should hopefully know, the most improved award isn't given to whoever actually improves their game the most, but its more of a most improved minutes award. It's about who got the largest increase in minutes from the last year.

That is so true (Y)

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:08 pm

Another correct prediction - maybe my luck is changing. :wink:

by **benji** on Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:04 am

fgrep15 wrote:Erick Dampier
James Posey
Lamar Odom, the work he put in to become a PF was spectacular.
Joe Johnson
Brian Cardinal
Mark Blount
Q-Rich a little
Flip Murray, he improved a little, but he was already lighting up in practice and summer league last year.
Yao improved slightly but his offensive rebounding and blocking could have been better.
Manu Ginobili
Jason Williams
Marcus Camby
and Raja Bell

I'd take Jason Williams off that list and put Mehmet Okur. Williams was almost exactly the same as he was last year. Mehmo went from a solid reserve (14.4ppg 9.8rpg per 40) to a legit starter (17.7ppg 10.9rpg per 40).

Also Rodney White, 16.6ppg 5.5rpg 3.1apg per 40 to 22.0ppg 6.7rpg 2.4apg per 40.

Both are producing per 40 what they produced per 48 last year (and White is scoring even more so).

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:49 am

Yea but Williams improved his decision making and cut down on turnovers, so his is not really a stats thing just as a player.
I think Rodney's is because he isn't one of the bigger options on the team and is shooting a high percentage, but yea him too, but I was only stating out of the guys that got votes in the list. :wink:

by **Matt** on Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:59 pm

i think this award is the hardest to measure. You have to look beyond stats. Let's see though, Randolph doubled his stats, however he achieved this by playing against STARTERS. When he played only a bit he mostly played against RESERVES. Is this not improvement????

by **benji** on Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:59 pm

Players generally produce better when they get more playing time. Randolph did, but barely.

Yea but Williams improved his decision making and cut down on turnovers

He didn't cut down on turnovers he posted the same numbers as last year. Williams made his improvements last year, this year was just more of the same.

I think the NBA should just get rid of this award. Nobody even knows who to vote for. Back in 01-02 over 20 players got votes, Jermaine O'Neal won it despite making his big improvements the year before and Stackhouse finished in the top five despite having a down year.

In eleven games starting (30.4mpg) last year Randolph got 16pts and 8rebs. That's 19.5pts and 10rebs (and over the entire season that stays a consistant 19pts and 10rebs per 38 min) if you adjust to his minutes this year, he added one point and half a rebound.

Consider that post all-star break this year Zach got 19.6ppg and 10.4rpg per 38 min (18.4 and 9.7). 20.5 and 10.6 per 38 before the break.

Randolph already was a star he just had a better player infront of him. He showed everyone it wasn't a fluke by doing it for two years off the bench, then doing it against Dallas in the playoffs. Portland knew and Sheed had to play SF this season.

Randolph improved, but not more so than tons of other players.

Blah...the awards are a crock. I mean, these are the kind of people voting for them:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/banks/cs ... anx18.html

by **hmm** on Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:25 am

by **fgrep15** on Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:55 am

Homer wrote:i read sth funny on slamonline.A guy wrote sth like " if randolph can learn passing out of double team and playing D he will be the 1st player ever to take this award in a row". Funny and Very True

Yea someone already said it :wink:

the_game wrote:
(Taken from Lang Whitaker's links - Congratulations go to Zach Randolph, who ran away with the Most Improved Player Award earlier today. Interestingly, if he could learn how to pass out of the double team and play defense for next season, he could be the first player to win it back-to-back.

funny but true...

i think this award is the hardest to measure. You have to look beyond stats. Let's see though, Randolph doubled his stats, however he achieved this by playing against STARTERS. When he played only a bit he mostly played against RESERVES. Is this not improvement????

Why do people say that, first as a starter last year he averaged: 15.5 points, 8.0 rebounds, and 1.09 steals in 30.4 minutes while shooting 55.0%. He had 11 games as a starter.

Also let's say Portland is playing Minnesotta, Randolph played about 17 minutes a game and KG 40. So even if he was in against the "reserves", he still has to play KG for half his minutes in the game.
You can say that for someone like Darko who plays garbage time, but a guy thats playing 15-20 minutes it doesn't apply.
I't like saying Corliss Williamson only does good because he plays against reserves. :roll:

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