Isiah Thomas is better than everyone

[Jackal]

Dont you guys read who is posting when you guys call them stupid? I mean calling Zanshadow stupid is like saying the sky is blue & grass is green.

[NovU]

Seriously, I didn't really know much about him untill that thread.

Thats a slight on you, not on him.

How? Not having watched his days, I couldn't careless if I knew much about this moron executive whether he was once great or not.

Ignorance isn't something to be proud of. Doesn't make you a bad person for not knowing about him, but being proud of it is stupid

How not having watched Isiah's days is ignorance? Are you an idiot or just acting like one? Quit bitching, I am not proud or anything not knowing about him. Just don't care.

You don't have to show up once in awhile to give somebody a lecture or call someone a name. Don't be a bitch pussy.

[koberulz]

How not having watched Isiah's days is ignorance?

I couldn't careless if I knew much about this moron executive

Clear enough?

[NovU]

definitely not being ignorant on this matter where we are simply discussing on Isiah's comments not how he was as a player. Clear enough, moron(s)?

[koberulz]

definitely not being ignorant on this matter where we are simply discussing on Isiah's comments not how he was as a player. Clear enough, moron(s)?

Where did Laxation specify that he was referring to your ignorance on the matter of Isiah's comments? He was quite clearly referring to your ignorance of Isiah's playing days.

[NovU]

How about minding ur own business and shut the fuck up for once so more can welcome u in any forums instead of getting banned and crying like a bitch and shit.

So not having much info on his playing days due to not having lived in his days nor having any interests deserves me a getting called ignorant? Besides, who the fuck should care about his playing days in this topic other you(then ur koberulz the biggest whiner ) and lax? The topic and my posts were about his comment so stick to it, RETARDs.

[koberulz]

So not having much info on his playing days due to not having lived in his days nor having any interests deserves me a getting called ignorant?

not having much info on his playing days

not having much info

Besides, who the fuck should care about his playing days in this topic

Given that how good a player he was directly affects how reasonable his statement is, I'd say it's actually rather pertinent.

[NovU]

Can you read? My original post wasn't even relevant to whatever you are trying to point out. You are just being an idiot not getting the point but trying to be a bitch which you are of course, so then fine, be a typical koberulz the bitch for all I care.

Besides, who the fuck should care about his playing days in this topic

Given that how good a player he was directly affects how reasonable his statement is, I'd say it's actually rather pertinent.

Of course. But then Isiah wasn't even top 10 pg even within 3pt era. So shut the fuck up now, will ya? That's why nobody givez shit on your claim of being better than Lebron if had his physique even though Bron actually is the best SF ever arguably.

[koberulz]

My original post wasn't even relevant to whatever you are trying to point out.

So? People can discuss the contents of posts made by people who have already posted in the thread in question. Not being able to do so would hamper the ability of anyone on here to discuss anything, and Laxation was quite clearly referring to the post in which you professed ignorance of Isiah's playing days.

Indeed, you had absolutely no problem discussing it when you were being all indignant earlier, it's only now that you have a problem with discussing that post. I'm guessing it's because you've finally worked out what 'ignorant' means, and rather than conceding that Laxation and I were right, you have instead opted to change the subject.

You are just being an idiot

How does your refusal to understand what 'ignorant' means make me an idiot?

not getting the point but trying to be a bitch which you are of course, so then fine, be a typical koberulz the bitch for all I care.

Of course. But then Isiah wasn't even top 10 pg even within 3pt era. So shut the fuck up now, will ya? That's why nobody givez shit on your claim of being better than Lebron if had his physique

What is why? You've made no statement in that post that the "why" in your last sentence could possibly be inferred as referring to.

even though Bron actually is the best SF ever arguably.

What's your point?

Mine was, and this seems to be continually overlooked in favor of mocking me for my massive ego, that LeBron is lacking in a lot of fundamental skills. Ballhandling, shooting, using screens, and so on. The fact that he's 6'8" and 250 lbs of pure muscle allows him to get away with having these massive flaws in his game, and to produce at the best level of any small forward ever. That doesn't make him the smartest or most talented small forward ever. Putting me in LeBron's body is basically making LeBron a smarter player, better ball handler, and far better shooter. Which would absolutely make him a better player. I'm 6'1", slow, and can barely get off the floor. Obviously I'm not going to play at a very high level with those qualities. If I were as quick, tall, and athletic as LeBron, in addition to being a 40% three-point shooter (better than LeBron, though it's from the college line which may inflate the percentage somewhat), and a 95% free-throw shooter (better than LeBron), I'd have LeBron's ability to get to the rim at will and dunk on anyone who got in my way, chase down people on the fast break, throw shots out of the gym, stay in front of pretty much anyone, jump passing lanes, and so on.

[shadowgrin]

But then Isiah wasn't even top 10 pg even within 3pt era.

Says who? benji?

The fact that he's 6'8" and 250 lbs of pure muscle allows him to get away with having these massive flaws in his game, and to produce at the best level of any small forward ever. That doesn't make him the smartest or most talented small forward ever

Physical ability is a talent. Find another 6'8" 250 player in basketball history that's unstoppable as LeBron.
Maybe you're referring to skill, perhaps? [/semantics nazi]

[J@3]

Mine was, and this seems to be continually overlooked in favor of mocking me for my massive ego, that LeBron is lacking in a lot of fundamental skills. Ballhandling, shooting, using screens, and so on. The fact that he's 6'8" and 250 lbs of pure muscle allows him to get away with having these massive flaws in his game, and to produce at the best level of any small forward ever. That doesn't make him the smartest or most talented small forward ever. Putting me in LeBron's body is basically making LeBron a smarter player, better ball handler, and far better shooter. Which would absolutely make him a better player. I'm 6'1", slow, and can barely get off the floor. Obviously I'm not going to play at a very high level with those qualities. If I were as quick, tall, and athletic as LeBron, in addition to being a 40% three-point shooter (better than LeBron, though it's from the college line which may inflate the percentage somewhat), and a 95% free-throw shooter (better than LeBron)

This is still as ridiculous as the first time you said it. You're a 95% free throw shooter because you don't take anywhere near the amount of attempts he does, with absolutely none of the pressure or the level of fatigue. Lets see if you can still shoot your supposed 95% from the FT line in game 65 of an 82 game season in front of 20 thousand people who want you to miss. You're a 40% three point shooter because you're playing in a league that is significantly lower in quality/ability and you're shooting from closer in. You're also ignoring the mental aspect of the game, which is basically what allows a guy like Thabo Sefolosha to have a productive NBA career while a more athletic/talented player in Gerald Green crashes and burns and can't get a roster spot.

[benji]

Imagine if Isiah Thomas or koberulz was Chris Paul or John Stockton's size.

[NovU]

But then Isiah wasn't even top 10 pg even within 3pt era.

Says who? benji?

Yes. Thought it was very convincing and made pretty much all the sense in the world. That's why I even mentioned about it in the first place which led to all this.

Honestly I considered him as one of the best in PG position historically before just looking at the stats and hearing all good stuff about him and probably would have placed him high in top 10 in my own list had I ever come up with. In that regards, I guess I was pretty ignorant like koberulz is pointing out but then so were many others here, probably including ignorant fucks like koberulz/lax themselves.

Anyways, I apologize for all the craps that were said here. It's just the stress accumulated from school these days(Final exam weeks).

[Laxation]

Dont you guys read who is posting when you guys call them stupid? I mean calling Zanshadow stupid is like saying the sky is blue & grass is green.

I dunno man, he came up with some pretty compelling arguments. Somewhere...

[koberulz]

You're a 95% free throw shooter because you don't take anywhere near the amount of attempts he does

I take 100 a day. Perhaps this is still true, but it's not as though I don't shoot many. I don't take nearly as many in game situations, true, but then one miss hurts a lot more in a smaller sample than in a larger one.

with absolutely none of the pressure or the level of fatigue.

Doubt it. The point you go on to make about number of games is fair, (though I've no idea at all how fatiguing that is; particularly for someone as young and fit as LeBron), but I wouldn't suggest he's any more tired at the end of any given game than I am. I've also taken free throws with the game on the line, which is certainly a pressure situation.

Lets see if you can still shoot your supposed 95% from the FT line in game 65 of an 82 game season in front of 20 thousand people who want you to miss.

If 20,000 people wanting you to miss affects your percentage, why are you in the NBA?

You're a 40% three point shooter because you're playing in a league that is significantly lower in quality/ability and you're shooting from closer in.

I wouldn't anticipate much of a drop-off. I can certainly shoot from NBA range. On my own in a gym, I have range out to nearly the center circle. Obviously defensive pressure would decrease that percentage rather rapidly (assuming anyone was stupid enough to play defense out that far and I was stupid enough to shoot the ball from out there in an actual game), but it serves to illustrate that the move from FIBA to NBA range wouldn't dent my percentage much. Being taller, quicker and better co-ordinated, as LeBron is, would help massively in off-setting any defensive increase.

You're also ignoring the mental aspect of the game, which is basically what allows a guy like Thabo Sefolosha to have a productive NBA career while a more athletic/talented player in Gerald Green crashes and burns and can't get a roster spot.

Are you talking about maturity, or basketball IQ?

And besides all that, my entire point seems to have been missed. I wasn't trying to prove how great I am, because I'm not. I was simply trying to illustrate how much skill and IQ LeBron lacks. Obviously, it's failed rather miserably.

[benji]

[shadowgrin]