Fantasy Offseason Trade Scenarios

[EGarrett]

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Here's one that's on my mind...

Philadelphia trades:

SG Allen Iverson

Detroit trades:

SG Richard Hamilton
PF Darko Milicic

Add cap filler to even out. My reasoning here is that Allen Iverson wants out of Philadelphia in the worst way. Philly is also decimated from their awful GMing over the past few seasons. Detroit...meanwhile...is looking to get the last nudge into championship territory. This deal allows Philadelphia to blow up the last of the team's core and be prepared for the future...with Hamilton playing the role of scorer and Darko getting plenty of minutes to develop.

Detroit

C Ben Wallace
PF Rasheed Wallace
SF Tayshaun Prince
SG Allen Iverson
PG Chauncey Billups

Philly

C Darko Milicic
PF Kenny Thomas
SF Glenn Robinson
SG Richard Hamilton
PG Eric Snow

Of course...this deal would piss off Philadelphia fans but there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. There's also the question of whether Iverson would fix his attitude on a winning team with Larry Brown as his coach again.

[DipSetVC]

You have to involve Vince Carter in some scenarios. He will be shopped. Great scenario there Garrett, makes a lot of sense, so Detroit will trade for a guy that will ruin their chemistry? Why do you think Larry Brown left Philly? I was sure he wanted to do nothing with Iverson. Rip Hamilton doesn't demand the ball like Iverson and that's the last thing the Pistons need on a team that thrives without a superstar thanks to its depth. Also, there's no chance in hell that they'd give up on Darko so soon, remember , he's younger than LeBron.

[wonkajane]

wow calm down DipShitVC

[Dramacydal]

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Here's one that's on my mind...

Philadelphia trades:

SG Allen Iverson

Detroit trades:

SG Richard Hamilton
PF Darko Milicic

Add cap filler to even out. My reasoning here is that Allen Iverson wants out of Philadelphia in the worst way. Philly is also decimated from their awful GMing over the past few seasons. Detroit...meanwhile...is looking to get the last nudge into championship territory. This deal allows Philadelphia to blow up the last of the team's core and be prepared for the future...with Hamilton playing the role of scorer and Darko getting plenty of minutes to develop.

Detroit

C Ben Wallace
PF Rasheed Wallace
SF Tayshaun Prince
SG Allen Iverson
PG Chauncey Billups

Philly

C Darko Milicic
PF Kenny Thomas
SF Glenn Robinson
SG Richard Hamilton
PG Eric Snow

Of course...this deal would piss off Philadelphia fans but there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. There's also the question of whether Iverson would fix his attitude on a winning team with Larry Brown as his coach again.

this mite be the best trade for me, lol. i mean im always a sixers fan (with or without AI) and im always an AI fan (playin in philly or somewhere else) and i like the idea of Iverson goin to Detroit best cause hed be with coach brown then and had the chance to get the ring he deserves. and philly would probably be really good in the future. but i think if this trade happens brown will quit his job and run away crying...

[DipSetVC]

wow calm down DipShitVC

Who's talking to you? It's pronounced "Set" you ***** *******.

[RedTorro]

Stay away from Chi town A.I. we don't need a selfish plague like you around our young guys.

[DipSetVC]

Stay away from Chi town A.I. we don't need a selfish plague like you around our young guys.

Exactly. KEEP THE 3 C's in TOWN!

[Andrew]

wonkajane and DipSetVC: Please don't take that any further. I don't want to see that kind of behaviour, it will not be tolerated. Thank you.

Even though I think Larry Brown would find a way to nix the deal, I like EG's scenario. Very few teams have won the championship without a star player. Although the Bad Boy Pistons did not have a top five scorer, Isiah Thomas was still a star in the league, who could score a lot of points when they need to him to - even with a sprained ankle.

Defense wins championships, but you still must score more points than your opponent to win. Detroit certainly can score a lot of points, but are better at beating teams by slowing their opponent's offense down so that they can win with scores in the 70s. That doesn't work all the time though. The addition of Iverson would boost the Pistons' offensive game without compromising their defense too much. They aren't giving up too much for him, either; Rip for AI is not a bad swap for Detroit to make, and Darko could very well turn out to be a bust. Who knows how he will turn out?

But as I said before, I don't think Detroit would actually do it, even though it should work out pretty well for them.

[Fresh8]

VC will be traded...Thats wat I reakon- and I hope it happens too (Don't know why...)

Wat bout Orlando...do u think they will get Okafor and let T-mac stay or get a different rookie (eg. Dwight Howard) and ship T-mac away

AI and Francis should switch teams to get things interesting....

Is Pips or Malone retiring- I wanna know!

Wats gonna happen to Crawlford?

Anything can happen in the postseason- only time will tell

BTW- will the Eastern Conference get any deeper (But the new league format will change a deep Eastern COnferences' impact on the West anyway!)

[EGarrett]

Now there's a deal that might work out...

Houston Trades:

PG Steve Francs
SG Cuttino Mobley

Toronto Trades
SG Vince Carter
PG Alvin Williams

The salaries match-up here also.

My thinking is that both Houston and Toronto are tired of their star players. Francis shoots too much and Vince shoots too little. Francis will give Toronto a fresh start with an aggressive and marketable star who will get more highlights than Vince did in his last season or two. His best friend will also come along so that Francis will be happy. Houston will get an athletic swingman who will be happy sharing the offense (and the intense spotlight) with Yao Ming.

The only problem would be seeing if Jalen, Cuttino and Steve can play with only one ball.

[Amphatoast]

how about a trade that involves Allan Houston? He is starting to disappointmen by the lack of games he has been playing recently As soon as he comes back, back to the injury list he goes it seems like.

[DipSetVC]

how about a trade that involves Allan Houston? He is starting to disappointmen by the lack of games he has been playing recently As soon as he comes back, back to the injury list he goes it seems like.

I doubt anyone would take his gigantic contract. He's easily the most overpaid player in the league.

[Andrew]

I've got to hand it to you EG, another plausible scenario. Toronto might be a little reluctant to give up Carter and risk dealing with Francis, Mobley and Rose squabbling over shots, but might accept based on the reasoning you used. Houston would be getting the best of the deal, since Vince would probably be more co-operative and better suited to playing alongside Yao.

I've been trying to work out a scenario for Allan Houston over at RealGM, but I can't come up with a deal that makes sense for both teams.

[Amphatoast]

well, that sucks. Right now I'm wondering if the Knicks should or shouldn't protect Houston. Sure he is a great shooter, but the contract...plus seeing how the bench played vs the Hornets tonight, their might be some reason to risk losing him..

[fgrep15]

Toronto trades Donyell Marshall to the Sonics for Jerome James and Ronald Murray.

The Bobcats would never take Houston's contract, unless NY is willing to lose some money and like both their draft picks.


Toronto trades Donyell Marshall to Denver in a sign and trade for Rodney White and Jon Barry

[EGarrett]

Why would Toronto want to make those deals? Marshall seems like a nice guy and he puts up good numbers. I think Seattle would do that as Jerome James is hated by everyone in his own locker room and Flip Murray plays no defense.

I think Denver would also do that deal but mainly because Marshall is worth a little more than Barry/White combined. (heh)

I've been trying to work out a scenario for Allan Houston over at RealGM, but I can't come up with a deal that makes sense for both teams.

Agreed...trading Allan Houston is tough! Who might want him? Maybe a team who needs mild-mannered character players or a team with an equal-sized albatross on their neck.

So here are two that might maybe work.

New York trades: PG Moochie Norris (3.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.5 minutes)
SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes)
New York receives: SG Ruben Patterson (7.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.7 minutes)
PG Damon Stoudamire (13.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.0 apg in 38.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.3 ppg, +3.9 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

Portland trades: SG Ruben Patterson (7.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.7 minutes)
PG Damon Stoudamire (13.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.0 apg in 38.0 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Moochie Norris (3.3 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 64 games)
SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 50 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.3 ppg, -3.9 rpg, and -4.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
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Houston and Moochie Norris for Ruben Patterson and Damon Stoudamire.

The Knicks are desperate to cut some salary from their team. The Blazers are desperate to cut some attitude.

With this deal, the Knicks get an expiring contract in return for Houston and a good defensive swingman who can fill the gap somewhat. And as Stoudamire himself has said...he'd live in someone's doghouse to get out of Portland so we might see him get motivated again. If he does, then the Knicks have a valuable sign and trade, especially because Stoudamire's next deal will be much more reasonable. Ruben Patterson will also benefit from a fresh start.

The Blazers have said that they want "character" players now, and this deal gives them that in spades. Portland gets to clear out their #1 and #2 problem children that are left on their roster...and in return they get a guy as wholesome as you could imagine in Allan Houston. He also won't mind giving up shots to blend in with Zach Randolph and Abdur-Rahim. Houston has the mind-set of a role player and he would fit naturally as an excellent second or third option on Portland.

Knicks

C Nazr Mohammed
PF Kurt Thomas
SF Tim Thomas
SG Penny Hardaway
PG Stephon Marbury

PG Damon Stoudamire
SG Ruben Patterson
C Vin Baker
etc

Blazers

C Theo Ratliff
PF Zach Randolph
SF Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SG Allan Houston
PG Moochie Norris

SF Darius Miles
C Dale Davis
SG Wesley Person

What a nice group of young men.
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Now here's something a little crazy...

New York trades: SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.4 minutes)
New York receives: SF Grant Hill (5.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.4 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (16.6 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.7 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

Orlando trades: SF Grant Hill (5.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.4 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (16.6 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.6 minutes)
Orlando receives: SG Allan Houston (18.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 50 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 63 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Allan Houston and Dikembe Mutombo to Orlando for Grant Hill and Juwan Howard.

Houston's deal is wringing the Knicks necks and pissing off Knick fans. Grant Hill's deal is wringing the Magic's necks and pissing off Orlando fans. Maybe we can do one albatross for another?

The Knicks get to finally say goodbye to Allan Houston AND Mutombo's big fat deal. In return they get Grant Hill to play 30 games per season and wave from the sidelines and a very good post player in Juwan Howard, who can start at either forward position.

The Magic get to finally say goodbye to Grant Hill and their glut at Power Forward created by having both Howard and Gooden. They also finally get some size and rebounding in Mutombo. Houston will give them some actual contribution to their team for all that money, and his shooting should help the team fight the zones that destroyed their season.

Knicks

C Kurt Thomas
PF Juwan Howard
SF Tim Thomas
SG Penny Hardaway
PG Stephon Marbury

C Nazr Mohammed
PF Vin Baker
SF Grant Hill (for 1/3rd of the season)
SG Shandon Anderson
PG Moochie
etc

Orlando

C Mutombo
PF Gooden
SF McGrady
SG Houston
PG Tyronn Lue

C Declerq
SG Stevenson
PG Garrity
etc

That looks much better. So crazy it just might work.

[fgrep15]

Why would Toronto want to make those deals? Marshall seems like a nice guy and he puts up good numbers. I think Seattle would do that as Jerome James is hated by everyone in his own locker room and Flip Murray plays no defense.

I think Denver would also do that deal but mainly because Marshall is worth a little more than Barry/White combined. (heh)

They would do them because Bosh is out future PF, if we can get a Center from Free Agency then Marshall will be our sixth man. He is very valuable right now so wih the Seattle on we get a PG, and we also get a Center that everyone hates but his contract expires.
With the Denver with Marshall being our sixth man, I would rather have Rodney and Barry as out bench guys than just Marshall.

[Andrew]

Nice work EG, I tip my metaphorical hat to you.

I like the Knicks/Blazers trade out of those two scenarios, though the Knicks/Magic deal makes sense too. I think the Portland scenario would be more likely, since as you noted the Blazers are looking to rid themselves of "headache" players, which this deal would allow them to do without sacrificing talent that cannot be spared. Their only reservation might be their payroll, which would not get any smaller with Houston's contract on the books. However, if the Blazers would be more or less satisfied with their roster after making the deal with the Knicks, it wouldn't really matter.

[The Game]

great deals there.... how about iverson going to LA? la signs and trades kobe to philly... kobe playing for his hometown and AI will be playing for a championship alongside shaq...

[Matt]

SG Allen Iverson
PG Chauncey Billups

sorry, don't think this would work out. 2 shoot first guys in the backcourt would just drive Larry Brown crazy. Not to mention that Dumars wouldn't trade Milicic yet, unless it's an irresistable deal

[magius]

or stoudamire can trying playing the point with marbury at the 2 when the knicks are playing a small opposition. either way, a one two point guard punch like that would be dangerous. i dont know whats up with the knicks, they looked real good on paper, maybe they just need time to gel.

[Amphatoast]

knicks need chemistry. Paper isn't everything. Also good coaching is needed. Look at the Jazz. Literally shit on paper, but almost made the playoffs. They work together and know there role on the team. Knicks however, some don't know there role and what they got to do night in and night out to get the job done. Poor Moochie Norris must feel hurt after beating up the Hornets and then not making the playoff team.

[wonkajane]

Blazers

C Theo Ratliff
PF Zach Randolph
SF Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SG Allan Houston
PG Moochie Norris

SF Darius Miles
C Dale Davis
SG Wesley Person

What a nice group of young men.

not bad but where did wesley come in?? hes on the hawks now remember?

and sorry for my remark DipSetVC

[magius]

On Skiles's word, Curry or Crawford -- maybe both -- will be dealt this summer.

[rEdHoBBeS]

here's another scenario.

McGrady ----> Philly
Houston -----> Orlando
Iverson -----> New York

AI would love it up there in NY, with all the nightclubs and whatnot. and philly wouldn't have to worry about losing their main attraction - they're getting t-mac! i don't know about orlando though..