62points by t-mac

[Stevan]

LOL... so this is what a flame looks like

What would happen if T-Mac cracked 100 points? Would there be an asterisk like the one next to Wilts 100 point game, or would it be accepted as a genuine all-time greatest performance? It would be pretty sweet for a shooting guard to score anything over 70 points in my opinion, because it wouldn't all be from 2 feet out. Though if he does it against Atlanta... the asterisk might have to come out

[air gordon]

Remember you had a bitch over limp having "mr adulterer" in his signature

nba fan has a point here- certain users on this forum are bryant apologists, even for the most non irrelevant things- i.e- defending him for taking a layup instead of dunk.

damn those lucky bastards who were able to witness this amazing performance in person

[.]

Its ok in your own eyes to call a player tcrap and ridicule them, but when someone makes a joke about him you cant take it. Remember you had a bitch over limp having "mr adulterer" in his signature. If you were more mature about other players, and other kobe fans, then i wouldnt do this.

I have no problem with jokes about players, but I do have a problem with people saying that jailstuff over and over....maybe you wont stop untill someone says "lol...thats funny". So this one is for you "hahaha, good joke " you know, a joke is funny a couple of times, but when you hear it over and over people are starting to get bored. And about the adulterer comments, it was kinda the same situation as it is right now. He was also using that over and over and it stopped being funny, just like your jail comments. I have no problems with Limp now and I dont want to start one. You can say Im not mature enough, but I can say the same thing to you. Mature people should ignore what other people say about players and let it be, thats what kids do...."if he says something bad then I say something bad". Maybe Im not mature, but you dont have the right saying that because you are neither.

as for your reasons for not liking tmac or chris webber, thats a joke

Like I said, thats my opinion...like it or not. You dont like Kobe because you claim hes playing for himself....I think thats a joke. And is McGrady a threath to Kobe and the Lakers? lol, I tought they have a 19-48 record, and yes I know hes one of the best players out there. There are tons of other players and team that can beat the Lakers, The Spurs....but I dont hate them because I like Tim Duncan and Robert Horry, The Pacers....I Like Jermaine O´Neal and Ron Artest....I like Nowitzki who plays on the Mavs and is a team that can beat the Lakers..and so on. This is not about teams that can hurt the Lakers.

And you did say I am lame, and that Im a sad cunt...read your posts for once

You said me criticising him for not dunking is "hating".

Saying someone is lazy is criticising, if hes so "lazy" then how did he become a 6 time All-Star, 3 times NBA champion and named to some All-NBA and defensive teams?

[Matt]

6 TO's aint that bad considering how much he had the ball. Good to see someone get 50+, better yeat to see someone get 62pnts

[Matthew]

You realise you keep contradicting yourself dont you?
Plenty of people have said "lol" to my kobe comments. I'm not bragging, nor do i care too much. But while you and other spastic kobe fans continue to trasth other teams and superstars, i shall do the same. Deal with it.

Mature people should ignore what other people say about players and let it be, thats what kids do...."if he says something bad then I say something bad". Maybe Im not mature, but you dont have the right saying that because you are neither.

I am fairly mature, i was named captain of my footy team last season, and im co captain for a semi (well not semi, im getting paid so its "professional") footy team this season... And the reason i am making fun of kobe is 1) its amusing to see your reaction and 2) to make you idiots realise how lame it is.

Like I said, thats my opinion

Then why do you try to get an explanation out of me for my opinions then? You watch kobe play, in regular season games, without shaq (ie against the twolves) and watch how he doesnt play with any intensity. He did last season and i did respect that. He doesnt this season, and i dont respect that. It's just that simple. If he wanted to win, he wouldnt force those bad shots he takes. There is no reason for it when he has those quality teamates.
Tmac is a threat to kobe becuase alot of people realise he is better. And oh yeah, he wants to win.
I called you lame, and a sad cunt, but they dont equate to being a "lame cunt". That would be like saying if someone called you a fucking asshole, it means you fuck assholes.

Saying someone is lazy is criticising, if hes so "lazy" then how did he become a 6 time All-Star

He is selfish. He doesnt play for his team.. evidence of this is after the 2000 championship, did he care he was tearing the team apart? or did he just want to show the world how much he improved?

3 times NBA champion

Shaq

[.]

You realise you keep contradicting yourself dont you?

Yes, and so do you

Plenty of people have said "lol" to my kobe comments. I'm not bragging, nor do i care too much. But while you and other spastic kobe fans continue to trasth other teams and superstars, i shall do the same. Deal with it.

The difference is, I only trash players when the topic or a post is about that certain player I like to talk shit about, you are just bringing it up in alot of random threads.

I am fairly mature, i was named captain of my footy team last season, and im co captain for a semi (well not semi, im getting paid so its "professional") footy team this season... And the reason i am making fun of kobe is 1) its amusing to see your reaction and 2) to make you idiots realise how lame it is.

Ehm....great for you ....still you are not mature enough to let people just talk trash about other players without doing the same thing

Then why do you try to get an explanation out of me for my opinions then?

Geez, you dont have to like Kobe if you dont want to for any reason like hes selfish and stuff....Im fine with that, thats not the problem, Im still talking about the jail stuff. I respect your opinions, but I do not have to agree with them or find them silly, so I can reply on that.

Just a question, dont take this negative.....I really want to know how many Lakers games you have seen this season? Because I have seen like 30 something games and I cant believe you think hes playing selfish. There were to many situations where he should have shoot the ball instead of passing it out to someone, if the players like Slava, Fisher, Fox, George etc..would make the shots, then he could avarage 20 something dishes per game,

Tmac is a threat to kobe becuase alot of people realise he is better. And oh yeah, he wants to win.

Please, how many times did he blame his teammates for losses this season? He even tought about retire early after some teams used the zone defense against the Magic where he scored below 10 points. When he knows they will lose, he will just play for himself and let them loose and just blame it on something or someone but him. And why is it that he suddenly dissapears in the fourth quarter?

did he care he was tearing the team apart? or did he just want to show the world how much he improved?

No one knows but him or his teammates

Shaq

Who said Kobe made his job alot easier and is the greatest

[fgrep15]

Tmac vows to score 70

70 Here I come

Forget 62 points. Tracy McGrady believes it's just a matter of time before he breaks 70.

"It'll happen before I retire," McGrady said Thursday.McGrady scored 62 Wednesday night against the Washington Wizards, the NBA's biggest scoring spree in almost a decade. In Orlando's 108-99 win, he had 50 points by late in the third quarter. But McGrady missed 10 of 11 shots and six of 16 free throws down the stretch.

Tmac looking at 70

[PRoPuLsiOnDJ]

damn u guys are acting like a bunch of kids.
dont hate each other.
anyways, i respect each of ur opinions.

but i believe that there is no comparison between kobe and tmac.

tmac is made for the regular season and kobe is made for the playoffs.

yeah tmac has scored a lot of points in the playoffs ... but after looking at last year, when he predicted magic would get out of first round after leading (3 - 1) against the pistons, he ended up eating his own words.
hopefully he learned something from that.

i believe that the bad start to this season carried over from that loss against detroit. that must have just killed their confidence. (just like raiders of the nfl)

anyways, if you want to compare kobe vs. tmac .... we can compare them when they play against each other in the finals! which might never happen.

i respect both players ... both players are good for the league ....
and both players will be hall of famers in the future!

and when i said both are good for the league .... i mean if kobe is found not guilty ... which i hope will happen. i believe he is a good player and a good person who just made a stupid mistake in life (something so many other people do). however, my opinions will change if he is found guilty for rape.

anyways, this thread is about tmac's 62 points ... and that's just awesome.
that's why its fun to watch the nba!

hopefully these guys will meet in the finals one day ... then we can talk about them like magic vs. bird

[Jackal]

Shaq

Who said Kobe made his job alot easier and is the greatest

Lol, I don't know who said it, but I think it's the other way around folks. .

They needed each other, but Shaq was the focal point, do NOT mix that up.

[.]

Shaq

Who said Kobe made his job alot easier and is the greatest

Lol, I don't know who said it, but I think it's the other way around folks. .

They needed each other, but Shaq was the focal point, do NOT mix that up.

I have those quotes on a dvd, said by the bigman himself. the making his job alot easier in some interview, and saying "congratulations Greatest.......you might wanna take that jersey off and put your own on (Kobe was wearing a Jordan jersey)" after they won the 2002 Championship.

but i believe that there is no comparison between kobe and tmac.

This isnt really about whos better, this is about those jail comments he made...atleast thats what I mean, I dunno what he wants

[Jackal]

And ofcourse, we take whatever Shaq says dead seriously.

[.]

Still, he played with with Kobe for 8 years, so I think he knows a bit better then you do.

[Jackal]

*sigh* If it's not obvious to you as a Lakers fan, that Shaq was the focal point and it's LARGELY (not completely) due to him that they have those three rings, three time Finals MVP speaks for itself I think, I would think they (the league that decided to award him the Finals MVP and NOT Kobe, for a reason I'm guessing) would know better than Shaq.

What day & age is here...just because it's something good about Kobe, Shaq should be taken seriously, when Shaq says Kobe is a ball hog, Shaq shud shutup...contradiction anyone?

I rest my case folks.

[.]

*sigh* If it's not obvious to you as a Lakers fan, that Shaq was the focal point and it's LARGELY (not completely) due to him that they have those three rings, three time Finals MVP speaks for itself I think, I would think they (the league that decided to award him the Finals MVP and NOT Kobe, for a reason I'm guessing) would know better than Shaq.

What day & age is here...just because it's something good about Kobe, Shaq should be taken seriously, when Shaq says Kobe is a ball hog, Shaq shud shutup...contradiction anyone?

I rest my case folks.

Omg.....did I say that Kobe is making Shaq better and thats it? And I didnt post that to discuss who was the main reason the Lakers won the championships, I was replying on something that Matthew said that it was Shaq, not Kobe. I only said the things that Shaq has mentiond, and come one... They are making eachother better, do you really think Kobe doesnt make Shaqs job alot easier with the double teams hes creating? I know Shaq does the same thing, so they make eachother better. ofcourse its not coming from 1 way. Yes I know he was the main reason the Lakers won the championships, but without a superstar Shooting Guard, he wouldnt win them neither. I dont know when Shaq is joking or just telling the truth, but I do know that he and Kobe played together for all those years, and when he says something about that, then I listen to him instead of a Lakers fan on a EA Sports game forum.

And didnt say Kobe hogs the ball, he said he should stop focussing on scoring and concentrate on passing, and I said that he was right....no need to shut up

[Jackal]

You posted about Shaq saying, Kobe makes my job easier + he's the greatest:

Who (Shaq) said Kobe made his job alot easier and is the greatest

I said, Shaq shouldnt be taken seriously, that's known by now, especially not when he's calling Kobe the greatest. You're telling me, that you would believe Shaq over Me. Fine by me...Shaq says Kobe is the greatest, I say he's not, you believe Shaq over me? Go ahead...but we know that Kobe isn't the greatest. It's not about believing in me or in Shaq, it's what we know.

but I do know that he and Kobe played together for all those years, and when he says something about that, then I listen to him instead of a Lakers fan on a videogame forum

Eh, Shaq saying Kobe is the greatest, is true...because he's played with him for the past 8 years? Ehm...ok.

Does the name Mr. Jordan ring any bells?

[PRoPuLsiOnDJ]

who gives a shit about shaq being better than kobe or kobe being better than shaq????

the fact of the matter is they couldnt have won those titles without each other.

shaq was in his prime when they won the first three and kobe is still developing.

[.]

You posted about Shaq saying, Kobe makes my job easier + he's the greatest:

Who (Shaq) said Kobe made his job alot easier and is the greatest

I said, Shaq shouldnt be taken seriously, that's known by now, especially not when he's calling Kobe the greatest. You're telling me, that you would believe Shaq over Me. Fine by me...Shaq says Kobe is the greatest, I say he's not, you believe Shaq over me? Go ahead...but we know that Kobe isn't the greatest. It's not about believing in me or in Shaq, it's what we know.

but I do know that he and Kobe played together for all those years, and when he says something about that, then I listen to him instead of a Lakers fan on a videogame forum

Eh, Shaq saying Kobe is the greatest, is true...because he's played with him for the past 8 years? Ehm...ok.

Does the name Mr. Jordan ring any bells?

Greatest doesnt mean greatest of all time, I know Kobe is not the greatest of all time, its hard to say whos the GOAT...I say Magic. Shaq said "Greatest", and I think not meaning the greatest of all time, maybe the greatest player at the 2 spot that season, or whatever.....I dont really know what he meant, all I know is that he said that he makes his job alot easier, and by saying "Greatest", he also kinda meant how important he is for that team.

Shaq saying Kobe is the greatest, is true...because he's played with him for the past 8 years? Ehm...ok.

I dont think you diggin it. I meant that I take his voice over yours, because he has played with Kobe for a long time, and he knows how things were done on the court, including the winning championships.

who gives a shit about shaq being better than kobe or kobe being better than shaq????

the fact of the matter is they couldnt have won those titles without each other.

shaq was in his prime when they won the first three and kobe is still developing.

Thank you, I dont want to discuss who was the main reason the Lakers won those 3 rings, I posted those Shaq comments for MAtthew, because he said it was all Shaq, and Shaq said that Kobe makes his job alot easier, and mentioning him beeing the greatest, that also means how important he is for the Lakers. I really dont want to discuss this Shaq or Kobe thing anymore, so I will just lay off of that

[Andrew]

Unfortunately I wasn't online yesterday so this is the first time I've seen this discussion in a couple of days.

I'd like everyone to calm down a little, and back away from the personal attacks. By all means discuss topics passionately and enthusiastically, but don't go too far. Flaming and flame baiting just ruins a good discussion. If this discussion is to continue, everyone has to settle down, respect each other's opinions and stay on topic.

I'm a little late getting to this flame, but I'm not handing out punishments yet. I would like to give everyone an opportunity to get back to civil discussion before I take action against individuals.

[Boyk]

Tmac vows to score 70

70 Here I come

Forget 62 points. Tracy McGrady believes it's just a matter of time before he breaks 70.

"It'll happen before I retire," McGrady said Thursday.McGrady scored 62 Wednesday night against the Washington Wizards, the NBA's biggest scoring spree in almost a decade. In Orlando's 108-99 win, he had 50 points by late in the third quarter. But McGrady missed 10 of 11 shots and six of 16 free throws down the stretch.

Tmac looking at 70

Man is this guy the most selfish loser or what?
his team is 19 and fuckin 48 or whatever, and he hasnt even got his team past the first round yet, but no, to him he dont care, all he wants to do is reach 70+ points and be known as one of the best scorers ever.

Tracy, you had ya chance for about 80, but threw up a bunch of crap and cant even sink free throws you dumbass!

man he annoys the hell out of me.
i never used to mind him till this season, coz im sick of seeing him luaghing and smiling weneva there team is getting blown out, he cares for himself and no-one else.
and that is proved by him blaming his teammates for losing games and also crying about the zone, if he had passed it up a bit more, they might of had more success, bloody cocky prick!!

well theres my rant, im half asleep so i dont care if i have 50 spelling mistakes.

And to kobe4mvp and psycho, as a laker fan myself, you both make solid points, yes psycho we know shaq is the man on the Lakers, but without the clutch shots and plays from the likes of kobe and horry we all know they wouldnt of had 3 rings in a row.
It was usaully Shaq starts it off, Kobe finishes them off.

oh well it dont matter now, lakers have the 4-stars leading the way now.
and as bad as it is, the yaint the champs anymore, the spurs are
im still embarrassed they lost, a team on one man one and nobodies.

im gonna stop dribbling now, sorry, im tired.
cya

[Jackal]

Ehm...I know another player that is pretty selfish, doesnt stop some folks from loving him. Let's look at it this way: Here are some of my arguments (rambles), in the end, feel free to tell me if I'm bullshitting.

What is Tracy McGrady doing? Being selfish, you say? Why? He's out for PERSONAL achievements, such as a scoring title.

Now, there is another SG in the league, that is planning to give up success of winning, for personal success, such as: Scoring title, his own MVP trophies etc.

What alot of people don't understand is, personal succes is nice and all, but very rarely, will you win the MVP trophy, if you're playing for personal success.

Now, to some this may seem like hating upon the other SG. But, I'm not talking bullshit (which I mostly do...but this time I'm not ok!!)

Look at Kevin Garnett, he's been playing extremely well the last couple of seasons...

Lets take a look at his stats for the past 2 seasons, ok?

Kevin Garnett: 2002-2003:

Code: Select all

PPG: :arrow: 23.0
RPG: :arrow: 13.40
APG: :arrow: 6.0
BPG: :arrow: 1.57

Kevin Garnett: 2003-2004:

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PPG: :arrow: 24.7
RPG: :arrow: 13.90
APG: :arrow: 5.0
BPG: :arrow: 2.12

Now, everything has gone up, the only thing that has declined are his Assists, but this time around, he doesnt have to play playmaker, Cassel helps out with this.

My point is: His stats are pretty much the same, no drastic changes...but this year, he's pretty much a lock in most people's eyes, as the MVP.
Why not last year you ask? They are practically the same stats. Yesh, you guessed right, his team is doing better. His team is getting recognition for winning. The key word here is, WINNING.

Personal achievements such as Scoring title etc. can be won by yourself, but you have to be able to WIN to get the MVP trophy.

Sorry to say it, Garnett cannot win alone, Shaq can't win alone, McGrady cant and as wacky as it may sound to some, Kobe cant either.

The only person who I've seen that can do it alone is Duncan, but he's unhuman, so let's not count him.

What I'm trying to say is: Laddas, you critisize McGrady for being "selfish", but isn't he just getting his "personal achievements"? I don't think winning is his number one priority.

Would you call Kobe selfish? Doesn't look like winning is his number one priority either, does it? Why in heavens name would you leave LA, to start fresh? Winning? Naw, personal achievements, he's said it himself. Some see the MVP trophy as a personal achievements, so some can argue me saying: Kobe will win the MVP trophy...yeah, it's possible...but not alone he wont. He'll be another McGrady, someone playing great...INDIVIDUALLY.

As great as Garnett is, damn...he's good!!, he couldnt win it despite his eye popping stats last season, why? He wasnt winning...
Mcgrady won't win MVP, despite his stats, why? He isn't winning...
Kobe won't win MVP, despite his individual achievements, why? Cuz you cannot win with one player in this day & age, unless your name is Tim Duncan that is.

Finally, I ask you this: If McGrady is selfish, what is Kobe?

Oh, and if this falls under Kobe hating...shrug.

[PRoPuLsiOnDJ]

i personally dont think that kobe is selfish. u cant win 3 titles back to back to back with selfish players. I think that he has matured a lot since he came to the leauge.

and another thing, kobe never said he's out for personal achievements. these are just media speculations. if he wanted personal achievements, he would have been mvp of the finals at least once. but he wasnt .... whY??? becuz he put team first.

and to those people who think kobe is a ball hog at the end of games ... then answer this question. What can shaq do at the end of games??? ZIP!!! He cant bring the team back from a 10 point deficit in 3 minutes. He cant knock down free throws at the end of games. Whose the only person who can play in those situations??? --- KOBE!!

and finally, he has the right to test free agency. what's wrong with that?? who are we to tell him what's he should do and what he shouldnt. he already told everybody that he wants to be a laker for life. however, he's never felt how it's like to be a free agent ... and i understand that.
reasons:
kobe doesnt even earn the max salary amount right now. he had like a five year deal of 70 something million dollars. And at the same time, u have players like KG earning 127 mill for 7 years, TMAC earnin 100 mill, JKidd earnin 90 mill. If i were in kobe's shoes, then hell yeah i would like to test free agency to see what kind of value i have, and what kind of money i get offered. it's like applying to college ... like even though u dont want to go to a certain university, u still want to find out if u can get an admission there.

Tmac, on the other hand, is in a different situation. Everybody in his team sucks and nobody's willing to step up. So he's trying to lead by example by working his ass off. Obviously its not working ... but he's doing what's expected of him for the kind of money he earns and the reputation he has.
And about the MVP talk, i'd like to see how TMAC gels in with another superstar in his own team. Obviously we have the tragedy to Grant Hill. And Tmac was still a kid when he was with VC and the Raps. If he can win games with another superstar caliber player, then maybe he can be considered for MVP.

[.]

Maybe thats a reason why Kobe thinks about leaving the Lakers, to prove people wrong. Im talking about those people who say that he cant win alone and say that only a small amount of players can do that.....or just Tim Duncan which I agree with you. I know Kobe loves challenges and what is a bigger challenge to win a ring where you are the only star. We dont know if he cant lead a team because he never had a chance to do it, if you dont count those games where Shaq was injured. I myself would love to see him having a team on his own, because it must be frustrating to be the second man all the time, dont get credit from people for the hard work you did. Second, I think getting of a good team to go after personal achievements is a bad thing, but Kobe has already won 3 of those, while being overshadowed (spelling) by Shaq all the time. Maybe to some people it will still be foolish to pass up the chance to win even more rings, maybe Kobe has a "been there done that" mentallity, so maybe he wants to move on and go after the things that he still didnt achieve to make his NBA career even more succesfull.

[Jackal]

i personally dont think that kobe is selfish.

Good for you. Again, why does he wanna leave?

u cant win 3 titles back to back to back with selfish players. I think that he has matured a lot since he came to the leauge.

I don't mean selfish on the court, I meant, why is McGrady selfish, for doing what Bryant is PLANNING to do? He is planning to go to a team to be THE MAN isnt he? He will take most of the shots, wont he? T-Mac is doing that, yet he's selfish? Stop being a hypocrite, Kobe talks about doing it, but he's not selfish, T-Mac is doing it, but he's selfish.

and another thing, kobe never said he's out for personal achievements. these are just media speculations.

Bullshit, I've seen the interviews where he says he would like to win MVP awards. Don't give me off the top of your head made up bullshit. I'll try to find the clips or articles.

if he wanted personal achievements, he would have been mvp of the finals at least once. but he wasnt .... whY??? becuz he put team first.

No he can't. The player does what he's told to do by the coach. I think it's pretty obvious the team was told to run the offense through Shaq. "He puts the team first.." No, he does what he's told to do.

and to those people who think kobe is a ball hog at the end of games ... then answer this question. What can shaq do at the end of games??? ZIP!!! He cant bring the team back from a 10 point deficit in 3 minutes. He cant knock down free throws at the end of games. Whose the only person who can play in those situations??? --- KOBE!!

This probably isnt meant for me, since I've never said any such thing.

and finally, he has the right to test free agency. what's wrong with that??

Nothing wrong with that...nothing at all, but don't critisize one player for doing it, and then praise another player for wanting to do it. This is the case, Bryant is planning to do the SAME thing McGrady did, yet...McGrady is selfish and Kobe's not. Why?

Tmac, on the other hand, is in a different situation. Everybody in his team sucks and nobody's willing to step up. So he's trying to lead by example by working his ass off.

Ehm, I think this is what Kobe wants to do too. He wants to lead a team he said, a team like Atlanta or something, if you hadn't noticed Atlanta isn't one of the elite teams in the league. In short: McGrady wanted a loser team to call his own, and lead them. Again I ask you, what does Bryant want? You guessed it: A loser team to call his own, and lead them.

And about the MVP talk, i'd like to see how TMAC gels in with another superstar in his own team.

He might not, we might never know. But the point I tried to make was: Don't say you're gonna win MVP etc as personal achievements, cuz you can't do it alone.

[Nel]

I agree with ya psycho jackal. Kobe wants to opt out just to have his own team in which hes the only superstar. Sad to say but t-mac now realizes that its hard to win by himself. If hes not selfish then his team won't win a single game.

[PRoPuLsiOnDJ]

this is referring to psycho jackal:

yeah find those articles or interviews about kobe bryant where he said he'd like to be mvp for a certain season and let me know about them. me personally, living in LA, i've never heard him say such a thing.

and for the rest of the stuff u said about kobe wanting to have a loser team of his own (or any other team) ....
we'll just have to wait and see what will happen in the offseason