I am not all that excited for Elite for 1 reason.

[Hotwater10]

Too much stuff. Screwing around with controls isnt gonna make it better then 2K. They are just to worried about toping 2K and not making a good basketball game. If they released a updated version of NBA Live 2004 or 05 for the matter with just tweaked graphics for the next gen consoles I would dish over 200 bucks for it. Real talks bro. Any one feel the same?

[ThaLiveKing]

they have classic controls in the game, they stated that, so don't worry!!!

[Andrew]

Yeah, I have to disagree too. The classic controls will be there for anyone who doesn't like the new style and the new controls do sound like they are intended to improve the game and reward smart play/skill, especially given their explanation of how the previous controls worked under the hood (even with perfect timing on releasing the shoot button). So long as Dynasty Mode and the like have also been paid attention, Elite 11 sounds like it's good a legitimate shot of being a quality product.

I understand the skepticism of course, but I'm approaching it with a positive mindset.

[koberulz]

Too much stuff. Screwing around with controls isnt gonna make it better then 2K. They are just to worried about toping 2K and not making a good basketball game. If they released a updated version of NBA Live 2004 or 05 for the matter with just tweaked graphics for the next gen consoles I would dish over 200 bucks for it. Real talks bro. Any one feel the same?

How is this not part of 'making a good basketball game'?

If I wanted to play Live 2004 or 05, I'd play Live 2004 or 05. Why would I want to pay six or seven times what it's worth just for some better graphics and a roster update?

[fluidmind]

Uuuuuh.... Couldn't disagree more. So many great things have happened to the gameplay since 2004-05. Yes, the controls were much simpler and there were few errors, but as a player, you were extremely limited in the things you were able to pull off.

The new control system sounds interesting to me. To be able to fully control whether a shot goes in or not is just amazing... And the possibility of using the "old" controls is certainly great for those not wanting to spend some minutes in the practice facility before playing.

I am, although, surprised that the control and animation elements were EA's top priorities for Elite 11. There were actually very few complaints about the control-scheme in Live 2010, whereas the Dynasty-mode was just slaughtered in this forum. But hey, if they fix both, and create the best ever dynasty-mode on top of changing the animations and controls for the better, I couldn't be happier.

Desperately waiting for Dynasty news!!!

[Andrew]

The fluidity of controls was criticised and while 10 was an upgrade on 09 in my opinion, it was still a valid criticism, so I guess they figured they really needed to step things up especially when 2K topped the sales anyway. As I said before, so long as Dynasty and the like haven't been left out, I'm optimistic about the approach.

[dennis09]

I agree what Hotwater was saying but not to say that I am defending his reason why he hate NBAElite 11.. for me the one that I hate in the elite is boasting because As I read in the 2ksports forum many people would say that Elite is boasting theyre new control scheme and to theyre controls some would says that theyre keep boasting especially David Litmann introducing theyre new controls but for me hes just good anyway i was nbalive fan from 2005-2008 on pc only not consoles. But I like what David Litmann implemented but the way hes says hes too confident that they would top 2k this year for me only this is serious!

If you talk about total body control you should know how to control dunks,layoups,blocks etc. thats it. If you talk only shooting controls thats not a total thats lack of controls. Thats only my opinion to elite

No offense to the Elite fans peace guys

[Andrew]

And 2K fanboys aren't boasting? I mean, even 2K's community manager is childishly getting into the act...again. Nothing wrong with both sides talking up the product and trying to get fans excited, nor is there any harm in people getting excited or hoping for the best. I think the 2K fanboy bashing of Live/Elite is just as obnoxious as what Live/Elite fans have done or are doing now.

Also...

If you talk about total body control you should know how to control dunks,layoups,blocks etc. thats it. If you talk only shooting controls thats not a total thats lack of controls. Thats only my opinion to elite

Hands-On Control applies to all of that, too. Not just shooting.

[Patr1ck]

I disagree, but I have actually played it. I felt that all my gripes with the lack of responsiveness from the controls in the last three Live's were gone as soon as I started performing moves. They are taking what is great in Live 10, and adding much better and more control.

Keep in mind that this is the first of a 3 year plan. So, whatever we have issues with can be improved or fixed.

However, I agree that EA is reworking everything too often, and they need to build off the good parts more often than completely remaking core elements. Quikstrike is one example, as I believe it was a waste of the potential amount of control while using the analog stick, which is now being put to use.

Just grab the demo when it comes out and decide for yourself.

[Andrew]

If Hands-On pans out, hopefully they'll stick with it and just tweak and refine it as necessary. However, I think keeping the basic/"classic" controls as an alternative beyond Elite 11 would be for the best, there's always going to be people who want to play with more simplified controls and if they're catered to as well, no one is being alienated.

[dennis09]

And 2K fanboys aren't boasting? I mean, even 2K's community manager is childishly getting into the act...again. Nothing wrong with both sides talking up the product and trying to get fans excited, nor is there any harm in people getting excited or hoping for the best. I think the 2K fanboy bashing of Live/Elite is just as obnoxious as what Live/Elite fans have done or are doing now.

Also...

If you talk about total body control you should know how to control dunks,layoups,blocks etc. thats it. If you talk only shooting controls thats not a total thats lack of controls. Thats only my opinion to elite

Hands-On Control applies to all of that, too. Not just shooting.

owhh i forgot to say that also 2kfanboys are boasting and Im involved its true coz im a 2kfanboy but also im a Livefanboy a little bit until now heheheh

[Hotwater10]

Well, I am going to use the new controls but it seems there just focusing on the new controls and no new Dynasty Features. Like c'mon if they can make dynasty cut screens in 2004 they can do it now.

[Axel The Great]

Well, when you have many people complain about the lack of features in Live 10, the game developers have to notice, and change that for Elite 11.

[shadowgrin]

I agree what Hotwater was saying but not to say that I am defending his reason why he hate NBAElite 11.. for me the one that I hate in the elite is boasting because As I read in the 2ksports forum many people would say that Elite is boasting theyre new control scheme and to theyre controls some would says that theyre keep boasting especially David Litmann introducing theyre new controls but for me hes just good anyway i was nbalive fan from 2005-2008 on pc only not consoles. But I like what David Litmann implemented but the way hes says hes too confident that they would top 2k this year for me only this is serious!

owhh i forgot to say that also 2kfanboys are boasting and Im involved its true coz im a 2kfanboy but also im a Livefanboy a little bit until now heheheh

No, you're not a 2K fanboy or a Live fanboy.
You're just a plain idiot.
I mean, seriously, the reason you hate Elite because of the "boasting"?
Idiot I say.

[Andrew]

Well, I am going to use the new controls but it seems there just focusing on the new controls and no new Dynasty Features. Like c'mon if they can make dynasty cut screens in 2004 they can do it now.

I liked the Dynasty Cutscenes as well, but there's other things I'd add or fix up first, if those are left out I'm sure I'll manage. I'm sure we'll hear about Dynasty Mode in due course, as I've said before the controls and real-time physics are the big new things they want to push this year so that's what they're talking about first. In the very first Q&A with GameSpot they did mention improvements to game modes though so here's hoping there's good news for Dynasty.

[Lamrock]

The new controls sound neat, but I would be more excited if features like downloadable draft classes and acceptable sim stats were there. I preferred Live 10's gameplay (hell, even Live 08 and 09's!) to 2K10's, but I'm sticking with 2K due to its awesome association mode.

Here's hoping they fix up the sim engine (shit, just port Live 06's sim engine) and include at least have as many features as Live 09 had.

[airBerlin]

Last couple years I've been on the 2k wagon, after watching a couple videos of Elite, I might have to give EA another go. Looks like I might have to pick up both games this year.

[Andrew]

There'll be a demo in September, so you'll be able to try about a month before you can buy.

[Cool2Fool]

I agree what Hotwater was saying but not to say that I am defending his reason why he hate NBAElite 11.. for me the one that I hate in the elite is boasting because As I read in the 2ksports forum many people would say that Elite is boasting theyre new control scheme and to theyre controls some would says that theyre keep boasting especially David Litmann introducing theyre new controls but for me hes just good anyway i was nbalive fan from 2005-2008 on pc only not consoles. But I like what David Litmann implemented but the way hes says hes too confident that they would top 2k this year for me only this is serious!

owhh i forgot to say that also 2kfanboys are boasting and Im involved its true coz im a 2kfanboy but also im a Livefanboy a little bit until now heheheh

No, you're not a 2K fanboy or a Live fanboy.
You're just a plain idiot.
I mean, seriously, the reason you hate Elite because of the "boasting"?
Idiot I say.

Hey Idiot, I think you shouldn't insult ppl. like that without fully understanding what he mean. History have shown that NBA live like to use gimmick to hype their product every year that didn't work as expected over and over again. It's possible a person can start hating because he's already been disappointed u know?

[Axel The Great]

Uh-oh. You just messed with the shadowgrin.

[Andrew]

Considering it was the guy's brother looking to troll, I think shadowgrin was well within his rights there.

[Cool2Fool]

Uh-oh. You just messed with the shadowgrin.

what? why? because everytime he post he act like he's smarter than everyone and his opinion is the correct one?

[Axel The Great]

No. His opinion isn't always correct. He does insult some people, which is a bad thing, but hey, without him, this forum wouldn't be nearly as fun or entertaining.

[shadowgrin]

My opinions may not be correct but I call them morons when they deserve it.

Hey Idiot, I think you shouldn't insult ppl. like that without fully understanding what he mean. History have shown that NBA live like to use gimmick to hype their product every year that didn't work as expected over and over again. It's possible a person can start hating because he's already been disappointed u know?

It's also possible that I express my hate for trolls by calling them "idiot"? (That guy did troll in other threads)
I think you shouldn't easily insult people without understanding the relevant details first. Idiot.

[Andrew]

Indeed. There's some backstory and context here, but let's please not get bogged down in off-topic bickering.