THE BULLS ARE THE MOST DISAPPOINTING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE

[Old School Fool]

The Bulls shall hereby be dubbed "The Chicago Bullshit"

[air gordon]

speak for yourself osf...

players facing the team that traded them away for whatever reasons is normally a good watch...jwill seems to always save his best performances against the kings... anyway- i wonder what response the UC crowd will give rose and marshall.

gollum, i mean skiles, better give crawford and curry major minutes for this one. i'd rather much see the guys who were supposed to benefit from the trade given a chance to win/lose the game for the bulls instead of antonio davis

[Jackal]

The Bulls shall hereby be dubbed "The Chicago Bullshit"

Damn man, that's mean...

[sliccat]

What kind of world are we living in when Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams are considered winners

That little one called earth.

Jalen Rose went to the Eastern Finals twice and was a key player on a team that went to the Finals...Davis hasn't gotten past the second round and JYD has never been past the first round...

Jalen Rose and Antonio Davis were on the same team, dumbass. And Jerome williams went to the second round his first year with the Raptor. stfu Winnie the Poo.

And to say scoring points don't win is kinda a stereotype. Mookie Blaylock, Terrell Brandon, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Steve Nash, Mike Bibby, Tony Parker, Sam Cassell are all recent scoring points who come to mind that also have won. The difference is their teams had good players.

1. Tony Parker- Stupid example. He wasn't one of the top two leaders of his team, we're talking about leadership abilities, and you helped prove my point.

2. Tim Hardaway and steve Nash- assuming you're talking Tim's prime, neither was considered a true threat to win past the second round. We all know the only reason Dallas. Also, PG, SG, and SF(or PF) shooting combination(I'll get to Cassell later) is an exception to the rule and only works when they are all excellent shooters or the power foward is a great post up player. Chicago doesn't have that, and the Center doesn't work well with this strategy, which would alienate Eddy Curry.

3. Sam Cassell- Notice that when he won his two titles his scoring was way down from where it is now. for the rest, see above.

4. Terrell Brandon and Mookie Blaylock- when did either get out of the second round. I'm not sure Terrell ever got past the first, plus they both spent a good part of their careers with teams that couldn't make the playoofs(GS, Mil)

5. Mike Bibby- not a scorer. he scores, but more out of having shots created for him. This proves my point, too. Why do you think Bobby Jackson doesn't start?

6. GP- proves my point again. Nobody else on that team(except Shawn Kemp occasionally) could create their own shot, eliminating the problem Chicago has with chemistry.

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Why aren't the Wizards winning? Why can't the Cavs win with Lebron at point? Why can't the Hawks put Terry at point and win? It's not a coincidence.

You ignore what all of those teams have in common other than a scoring point. That's right, they suck.

Why do they suck? Because they underachieve. Why do they underachieve? Scoring point guards NEVER bring out the best in other good scorers. Don't bring up GP and Kemp or Steph and Marion either. Marion and Kemp aren't good scorers, they're good at scoring. There's a huge difference.

[fgrep15]

Yes AD is a winner, the guy cries like a baby when he isn't winning, but he thought going to the Bulls would give him more wins that the Raps?


I somewhat agree that sometimes scoring point guards can make a team worse, but you can't generalize like that, Magic, Oscar Robertson, Cousy, Isiah Thomas and all those older guys were scoring pg's. I don't consider Parker a scoring pg really.

But about the Wizards, Arenas hasn't been there for like 50% of the games so they have Steve Blake and Brevin Knight at point and they're scoring points so that is invalid. They also don't have a consistent inside scorer so they need Arenas and Hughes to be the scorers unless they wouldn't score points. Without Stack Arenas is arguably the teams best scorer (Larry Hughes) and Stack hasn't even played yet.

With Jason Terry also, the only other big scorer on the team is Reef (Jackson is the little scorer), so you can't expect him to play the role of a passer

Also look at Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Andre Miller and Franchise they are scoring pg's and taking their teams to victories.

3. Sam Cassell- Notice that when he won his two titles his scoring was way down from where it is now. for the rest, see above.

When Cassell won the 2 titles he wasn't even a starter, he played 17 and 23mins those years. (His scoring per 48mins were 18 and 19ppg)

gollum, i mean skiles, better give crawford and curry major minutes for this one. i'd rather much see the guys who were supposed to benefit from the trade given a chance to win/lose the game for the bulls instead of antonio davis

AD should never be the guy to determine a game offensively.

[benji]

Jalen Rose and Antonio Davis were on the same team, dumbass.

Name calling? Davis never went to the Finals (and he probably cost Indiana that title)...but yes, I forgot, and instead focused on when Davis was the number two player...I apologize please don't insult me anymore, I will crawl into a fetal position and cry more.

And Jerome williams went to the second round his first year with the Raptor. stfu Winnie the Poo.

Indeed, I screwed up years again. But I am heartbroken you would call me such a name. I'm so sorry for making an error, I surely deserved insults for making such an horrible error. Infact, I probably deserve to be banned, I shouldn't have questioned you.

1. Tony Parker- Stupid example. He wasn't one of the top two leaders of his team, we're talking about leadership abilities, and you helped prove my point.

He was number two after Tim Duncan was he not? I remember him taking over in a few games in that Nets series.

2. Tim Hardaway and steve Nash- assuming you're talking Tim's prime, neither was considered a true threat to win past the second round. We all know the only reason Dallas. Also, PG, SG, and SF(or PF) shooting combination(I'll get to Cassell later) is an exception to the rule and only works when they are all excellent shooters or the power foward is a great post up player. Chicago doesn't have that, and the Center doesn't work well with this strategy, which would alienate Eddy Curry.

Hardaway's Heat teams were near the top of the East, after his prime and he was the leading scorer. Plus, Crawford is the two guard.

4. Terrell Brandon and Mookie Blaylock- when did either get out of the second round. I'm not sure Terrell ever got past the first, plus they both spent a good part of their careers with teams that couldn't make the playoofs(GS, Mil)

They spent about two years in teams that couldn't make the playoffs. Blaylock was on a lot of winning teams in Atlanta, and Brandon was on a winning team in Cleveland, even if they were barely winning.

6. GP- proves my point again. Nobody else on that team(except Shawn Kemp occasionally) could create their own shot, eliminating the problem Chicago has with chemistry.

It doesn't appear anyone else on Chicago can create their own shot but the Shooting Guard. Jamal Crawford.

Why do they suck? Because they underachieve. Why do they underachieve? Scoring point guards NEVER bring out the best in other good scorers.

They suck because they are stocked with horrible players. They go about two and a half players deep offensively. Taking Jason Terry off the Hawks and plugging in John Stockton, they would still be a 25-30 win team.

I think it's a case where bad teams are more likely to have scoring point guards because they need someone to score, anyone, because they're so bad. So the point guard takes over much of the scoring role.

Maybe those bad teams should just get KG to play his natural position.

But again, I apologize for questioning a god like yourself. I am truely honored you called me a dumbass, I now have hope in my heart.

[sliccat]

I apologize please don't insult me anymore, I will crawl into a fetal position and cry more.

I believe you.

I am truely honored you called me a dumbass

You should be.

[Gripni]

Terrell Brandon was not a scoring point guard, his career ppg is 13.8.

[Jowe]

yes he was a scoring pg.,
look early in his career and in his prime..

[air gordon]

yo fgrep15, you think the Bulls can take us tomorrow?

the Bulls can't beat us DipsetVC Vince was hobbling last game though, at least he had 8dimes.

went to the game and boozed it up with some friends. i don't remember much: just crawford successfully driving to hole, antonio davis (out of all people) hitting a big shot, booing jalen rose, and.. oh yeh, of course- bulls winning 96-89.

the teams face each other 3 more times

btw- the raptors were 8-8 before the trade. after last nite's loss they are 12-14 since. some ripoff that deal was for the raptors...

[DipSetVC]

yo fgrep15, you think the Bulls can take us tomorrow?

the Bulls can't beat us DipsetVC Vince was hobbling last game though, at least he had 8dimes.

went to the game and boozed it up with some friends. i don't remember much: just crawford successfully driving to hole, antonio davis (out of all people) hitting a big shot, booing jalen rose, and.. oh yeh, of course- bulls winning 96-89.

the teams face each other 3 more times

btw- the raptors were 8-8 before the trade. after last nite's loss they are 12-14 since. some ripoff that deal was for the raptors...

The Bulls are 9-19 since, what's your point?

[fgrep15]

Yea I don't think there really was a point, the Bulls were bad then and still bad now.

Also they lost 3 of those game without Carter, so who cares about that garbage, and the last 2 games Carter hasn't been 100%.

[Matthew]

I think Limp's point is that toronto didn't "rip off" chicago in that deal...

[air gordon]

thank you nba fan..

and also one of you guys said the bulls could NOT beat the raptors

and also...

Also they lost 3 of those game without Carter, so who cares about that garbage, and the last 2 games Carter hasn't been 100%.

i can play the injury card as well: bulls have been without jay williams all year, chandler for most of the season, KG just went on the IL, Pip just got off the IL, and last but not least e-rob missed the toronto game with a groin injury. still beat toronto anyway

[DipSetVC]

Who cares about Chandler? He's a bust. Pippen's a dinosaur. These are supposed to be significant injuries? We're talking about VC here, our best player. Now if your talking about Crawford or Curry being out for the Bulls, then your making some sense.

[Andrew]

Who cares about Chandler? He's a bust.

Chandler is no Vince Carter, but he's still a signficant player on the roster. His numbers this year were fairly solid before he went down (13 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.3 bpg in 28.6 mpg). I know my opinion is biased, but he isn't really a bust, especially by today's standards where potential takes you higher in the draft.

[DipSetVC]

Who cares about Chandler? He's a bust.

Chandler is no Vince Carter, but he's still a signficant player on the roster. His numbers this year were fairly solid before he went down (13 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.3 bpg in 28.6 mpg). I know my opinion is biased, but he isn't really a bust, especially by today's standards where potential takes you higher in the draft.

Ok, maybe my bias as a Raptor fan made me blurt out that one. He ain't a bust but how long can the Bulls wait for this guy to develop?

[Andrew]

Hopefully not too much longer. Then again, do you give up on him only to trade him away and watch him develop into a good (or even great) player? If the Bulls are going to stick with him, I would hope they wouldn't wait more than a couple more years to see further development.

For the most part, his numbers have either increased or remained steady every year as his PT has been increased. If he can stay healthy he should be able to continue improving given the opportunity. But if he's simply not going to work out as planned, hopefully the Bulls will pull the plug before it's too late.

I'm not a fan of the constant change of plans we've seen since the breakup of the last championship team, but not fixing a problem is as bad as trying to fix what isn't broken. Coaches and GMs need patience, but they can't afford to wait too long. The infatuation with potential and the standards set by players in the past usually plays a role in a team's patience with young, developing players.

[RedTorro]

Hmm... what a coincidence, suddenly Chandler is back and now Curry is playing with a fire under his ass again.

[RedTorro]

Curry last couple games since Chandler's return:

Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
36 9-18 0-0 5-7 3 12 4 6 1 0 6 23
43 10-15 0-0 5-6 1 6 3 1 0 1 2 25
and before that 27 pts!

Hmm looks like somebody wants to get traded.

[air gordon]

and a 23-12 on a good defensive player in ogretag

more like someone is finally getting in a groove

[DipSetVC]

Didn't he foul out and commit 6 turnovers? That's a turnaround?

[Matthew]

like crawford said,23 points and 12 rebounds is a turnaround. If chris bosh did somthing like that you'd still have a hard-on (even with the 6 fouls and turnovers..)

[DipSetVC]

Now the game he had against Portland a few days ago were he shot like 65% from the field and had 27 points, now that's a turnaround.

[Andrew]

Didn't he foul out and commit 6 turnovers? That's a turnaround?

No, those are less than impressive statistics. But his other stats are pleasing, to say the least. If he could continue to post stats like that while cutting down on fouls and turnovers, it would be much better.