1st pick among the 1st picks (Survey)

[Sauru]

I still don't understand how being coldly efficient is considered boring.

If you can't imagine why people find him boring than I'm not surprised that you don't think he's boring.

people who find him boring do not actually enjoy basketball

[Jackal]

You guys are right, give me a Darius Miles/Ricky Davis over Tim Duncan any day. Something new every time they play. (Miles pre-injury.)

[FiZzO]

I always liked Duncan for being gentle and humble all the time. If you aren't a fan, you wouldn't find them exciting I guess. I still think his basketball should be appreciated more by more people.

I think he is already appreciated by very many people because he constantly gets voted in the All-star game's starting five. And most of the voters probably are casual NBA fans, yet they still show some respect to Mr. Duncan

[vinceair]

Duncan's boring game? I wouldn't consider that as boring. Basket is a basket. No matter how you do it ( with somersaults or not)

[Hedonist]

I still don't understand how being coldly efficient is considered boring.

If you can't imagine why people find him boring than I'm not surprised that you don't think he's boring.

people who find him boring do not actually enjoy basketball

Please, don't be stupid.

[Hedonist]

Duncan's boring game? I wouldn't consider that as boring. Basket is a basket. No matter how you do it

So you consider every basket as enjoyable as the next one? And every game is just as much fun as the other?

[vinceair]

Duncan's boring game? I wouldn't consider that as boring. Basket is a basket. No matter how you do it

So you consider every basket as enjoyable as the next one? And every game is just as much fun as the other?

Read whole post,especially end of my post.

( with somersaults or not)

[Sauru]

I still don't understand how being coldly efficient is considered boring.

If you can't imagine why people find him boring than I'm not surprised that you don't think he's boring.

people who find him boring do not actually enjoy basketball

Please, don't be stupid.

please understand the game before you call someone boring who plays it so well.

[Hedonist]

Duncan's boring game? I wouldn't consider that as boring. Basket is a basket. No matter how you do it

So you consider every basket as enjoyable as the next one? And every game is just as much fun as the other?

Read whole post,especially end of my post.

Yes, I did. It just makes me wonder. I can get really enthusiastic about one game and not so much about another, just because of the matchups, the style of play, the players who are playing, the tension, the rivalry, all kinds of secondary predispositions can make me enjoy a game more, or less.

I enjoy competition, and because of that I like to watch Tim Duncan sometimes. Because he competes at a high level and high stake games are usually more enjoyable than an average game imo, but even then, he still strikes me as relatively boring. (That's absolutely not meant in a disrespectful way because as he does what he does, he competes and that's great.)

He executes. Period. You know maybe the guy with the Larry Bird avatar was right and I don't enjoy basketball because that's not enough for me. I want variation and creative play.

I heard a young NBA player quote his coach the other day who said "when you watch Tim Duncan play you can't see (on his face) if he's down or up by 20". It was meant as a compliment and I guess it is but I don't particularly like that in a player. I like to see emotion, through play and in demeanor, I can empathice more with that.

Everybody prefers certain players above the rest. The reasons why are all subjective. For me, it's the unlikely hero, I root for the underdog most of the times. I find it more interesting to see how a team can stop the team with the dominant big guy than to see the dominant big man execute and win.

To me, in a way it's a bit of a disappointment that the Cavs got Shaq because I no longer consider them an underdog. I thought it was very exciting to see if LBJ could take his team all the way without a real force in the paint to help him out.

Finally, people get bored with the same guys winning it too often. Teams with the most trophies are always the most hated.
In any sport in any country. Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, they've all been hated for winning too much. By people who don't enjoy basketball? I beg to differ because why would they so passionately hate a team then?

[Hedonist]

please understand the game before you call someone boring who plays it so well.

That's got nothing to do with it. The Tour de France was never more boring than during the reigns of two of the greatest cyclists of all times in Lance Armstrong and Miguel Indurain.

[Jackal]

If you can spew out that much bullshit, how bout learning to use the fucking edit function?

[Hedonist]

If you can spew out that much bullshit, how bout learning to use the fucking edit function?

Heb je het tegen mij?


Translation (for the non-Dutchies among us):



Thanks to pointing out that edit button.

[bowdown]

Tim Duncan
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Elton Brand
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin ( seems really good right now. hard worker + pure skills)
Greg Oden ( for now have to wait 1-2 years more for better assesment)
Yao Ming (we all know of his fate now. too injury prone or would had been higher)
Kenyon Martin
Bargnani
Kwame
Olowakandi

[J@3]

Duncan's boring game? I wouldn't consider that as boring. Basket is a basket. No matter how you do it

So you consider every basket as enjoyable as the next one? And every game is just as much fun as the other?

Read whole post,especially end of my post.

Yes, I did. It just makes me wonder. I can get really enthusiastic about one game and not so much about another, just because of the matchups, the style of play, the players who are playing, the tension, the rivalry, all kinds of secondary predispositions can make me enjoy a game more, or less.

I enjoy competition, and because of that I like to watch Tim Duncan sometimes. Because he competes at a high level and high stake games are usually more enjoyable than an average game imo, but even then, he still strikes me as relatively boring. (That's absolutely not meant in a disrespectful way because as he does what he does, he competes and that's great.)

He executes. Period. You know maybe the guy with the Larry Bird avatar was right and I don't enjoy basketball because that's not enough for me. I want variation and creative play.

I heard a young NBA player quote his coach the other day who said "when you watch Tim Duncan play you can't see (on his face) if he's down or up by 20". It was meant as a compliment and I guess it is but I don't particularly like that in a player. I like to see emotion, through play and in demeanor, I can empathice more with that.

Everybody prefers certain players above the rest. The reasons why are all subjective. For me, it's the unlikely hero, I root for the underdog most of the times. I find it more interesting to see how a team can stop the team with the dominant big guy than to see the dominant big man execute and win.

To me, in a way it's a bit of a disappointment that the Cavs got Shaq because I no longer consider them an underdog. I thought it was very exciting to see if LBJ could take his team all the way without a real force in the paint to help him out.

Finally, people get bored with the same guys winning it too often. Teams with the most trophies are always the most hated.
In any sport in any country. Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, they've all been hated for winning too much. By people who don't enjoy basketball? I beg to differ because why would they so passionately hate a team then?

Cool story bro

[Sauru]

please understand the game before you call someone boring who plays it so well.

That's got nothing to do with it. The Tour de France was never more boring than during the reigns of two of the greatest cyclists of all times in Lance Armstrong and Miguel Indurain.

people who find the tour de france boring do not like watching cyclists, so we are back to my original point. people who find duncan boring do not like real baskbetball, you know the 5 on 5 type, not the 1 vs 5 free for all i fucking own the playground motherfucker kind of ball

[Its_asdf]

I find Tim Duncan's game relatively boring in comparison to other players of this recent decade. That doesn't necessarily mean that I don't like watching him, though. I have too much respect for the guy not to watch how he plays.

[Stress Fracture]

Why is it that Bargnani is not in the Top 5?

This is my ranking:
1. LeBron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Dwight Howard
4. Yao Ming
5. Andrea Bargnani
6. Elton Brand
7. Derrick Rose
8. Kenyon Martin
9. Andrew Bogut
10.Greg Oden
11.Blake Griffin
........................
7643.Michael Olowakandi
10928.Kwame Brown

[Jackal]

Are you stoned to put Bargnani over Brand, Rose, Martin and perhaps Bogut? Honestly?

[Valor]

here's mine..

1. Tim Duncan
2. LeBron James
3. Dwight Howard
4. Yao Ming
5. Derrick Rose
6. Elton Brand
7. Blake Griffin
8. Andrew Bogut
9. Greg Oden
10. Kenyon Martin
11. Andrea Bargnani
12. Kwame Brown
13. Michael Olowakandi

[Stress Fracture]

5. Elton Brand
6. Derrick Rose
7. Kenyon Martin
8. Andrew Bogut
9. Andrea Bargnani

edited it for Mr. Jackal.

[Hedonist]

The Tour de France was never more boring than during the reigns of two of the greatest cyclists of all times in Lance Armstrong and Miguel Indurain.

people who find the tour de france boring do not like watching cyclists,

Yeah nevermind the thousands of km's I rode myself on 10 or more cycling vacations and trips topping several historic Tour-cols in France and visiting actual stages along the way. Nevermind the racing bike I have today was the single most expensive purchase in my life at the time I bought it. That's all totally irrelevant to your amazing power to take one minor comment and draw dogmatic conclusions from it.

Don't even get me started on watching cycling on tv or playing prediction games, not just the Tour either...

so we are back to my original point.

Then I have to resort to my original point too: that's stupid.

people who find duncan boring do not like real baskbetball, you know the 5 on 5 type, not the 1 vs 5 free for all i fucking own the playground motherfucker kind of ball

Projection based on little more than nothing, again.

It's real shallow if you ask me. Lack of imagination. (which was my point when I first quoted Jackal)

I think Duncan is relatively boring but I have absolutely no hard time to imagine anyone being his biggest fan nor would I find it strange or difficult to understand.

Btw, I didn't intend to bash Duncan AT ALL or even mention the word boring if it wasn't for Jackal to repeatedly bring it up before anybody else even hinted at it!!!

Imo he sort of 'provoked' the debate, and when I actually went into his question he just said it's all bullshit.
To me, that's just sad... and funny.

Cool story bro

Thanks man.

[Mayerhendrix]

regarding the #1 slot -- is it about achievements as of now or sheer talent? if it's career achievements as a whole so far, then duncan has the edge over lebron james right now. but in terms of talent, i think it's indisputable fact that lebron james and kobe bryant are the top two players in the league right now and duncan can't touch that status.

[Jackal]

Btw, I didn't intend to bash Duncan AT ALL or even mention the word boring if it wasn't for Jackal to repeatedly bring it up before anybody else even hinted at it!!!

I'm glad you just joined the forum, but 11000 posts later, I've heard the "Duncan is boring" comment once or twice.

[puttincomputers]

97 - Tim Duncan great!
03 - Lebron James great!
04 - Dwight Howard will be great!
99 - Elton Brand prime is gone.
00 - Kenyon Martin is still decent
06 - Andrea Bargnani dunno much about him
08 - Derrick Rose time will tell
09 - Blake Griffin over rated, but will last longer and be better than the rest
05 - Andrew Bogut slightly over rated at this point
07 - Greg Oden injury prone, next whats his name that got drafted before jordan?
02 - Yao Ming came quickly and gone just as fast,
01 - Kwame Brown blech
98 - Michael Olowakandi candy makes you fat, oh wait maybe he didnt have enough

[Andrew]

07 - Greg Oden injury prone, next whats his name that got drafted before jordan?

He's not really that injury prone. If not for the Blazers' history with oft-injured centres and the surgery that put him out for his rookie year, it wouldn't be such a big deal that he only played 61 games in his first season, 11 more than Patrick Ewing did in his injury-plagued 1985/86 rookie season. The injuries he suffered last year were the product of bad luck as much as anything else.

02 - Yao Ming came quickly and gone just as fast

He's been in the league for seven years and he hasn't gone yet. In four of those seven seasons he's played more than 75 games and put up more than respectable career numbers. There's no way he can fairly be placed in the bottom three with the likes of Michael Olowokandi.