Olowokandi dubbed second best centre in the NBA

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Olowokandi dubbed second best centre in the NBA

Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:10 pm

A case for Kandi as second-best center

Now, that's just the opinion of one columnist (Frank Hughes), and whenever you rank players, it's a matter of opinion and in reality, there's no right or wrong answers (although there are illogical statements, such as "Dwayne Schintzius was better than Wilt Chamberlain"). But he puts forward a good argument, including the point
...you have to eliminate the centers of about 21 teams straight away because those teams have power forwards playing the center position.

With guys like Ewing, Robinson, Olajuwon or Mourning retired, inactive, or in decline, there are few true centres left in the league. Hughes lists Vlade Divac as the only true center who could also be considered second best to Shaq, but mentions that his 2002/2003 numbers are inferior to Kandi's. Since Shaq is inactive and yet to play a minute of the 2002/2003 season, if we are to agree with the assertion Kandi is second best, then right now, he's the best centre in the NBA.
In any case, while Clippers brass say they want the big fellow back, it seems that Olowokandi is resigned to going elsewhere. Sources say he asked for only $85 million this past summer, a tad more than Bibby got from Sacramento, and the Clips declined.

$85mil might be asking a little too much, especially given it was before this season, and in light of the luxury tax, it was probably only fair that the Clippers did not pay up. But we all know the Clips don't like to spend money, and will let talent walk. They have to stop that trend, and that starts with Olowokandi, Brand and Miller. If they could replace Kandi at a cheaper price, fine, let him walk or trade him. But if they let him go, they would not be able to find a replacement that is the same or better, especially more cheaply.

If I were the Clippers' brass, I would look to heal the rift with Kandi and promise him a reasonable payday at the end of the season. Otherwise the Clippers policy of a revolving door talent pool will remain unchanged.
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Postby mana on Sat Nov 23, 2002 6:05 am

It's still too early to say whether Kandi and Co can co-exist together as a team. A few games early this season, players would go for numbers rather than a win, leaving Kandi at the middle. Unless they are promised a resonable payroll, they would continue looking for themselves first in every game this coming year.

Kandi just happen to be in the right place in the right time. Shaq was able to get a 200 mil contract a few years back. But does Kandi worth 85 mil? No. He's solid center that will give you 15,10 a night, and inside presence, something that every teams don't have right now. Very often players in the league aren't valued by their talent but rather the market demand. A shortage of true center create a greate demand for Kandi. Kandi is lucky by far what's happening in the league at the moment. From what I see, he's a just lucky player. Just because he got lucky, doesn't mean we can punish him.
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no way

Postby livemaster on Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:09 am

Kandi was not worth 1# Pick the guy can barely score 15 PTS But he is a great defender.
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Postby Brave Sir Rubin on Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:36 am

well...being a Center is usually not about the PPG...Kandy is defenatly the 2nd best Center since there's nobody else in the runnig. Benji is playing PF most games...so he's out...

After Shaq, ,who can do it all...Kandy comes up becouse of his great D, REbounding, and also, quality offensive contrebution...
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Postby Clinton on Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:53 am

He can barely score 15 points

So what was with that 24 (I think) point game the other night?

He is definately in the top 5 true centres in the NBA. There is Shaq who noone comes close to, Mourning who if healthy would be having some good years, Kandi who is only going to get better, Divac who is getting old but can still contribute and Illgauskas who when not on crutches is a great player who can easily put up 20 and 10.
He is big, quicker than most guys his size and plays good defense. The Clips don't need a lot of points from him with great scorers like Brand, Odom, Maggette and Richardson. He has been having 15 rebound games, that's all they want him for. Hit the boards and fill the lane. He is going to be the best centre in the league in a few years after the likes of Shaq, Mourning and Divac retire. This isn't taking into account the chance of Duncan moving to centre when Robinson retires to make room in the lineup for Rose. Or of course the development of Yao Ming. He is already proving to be unstoppable. He will deserve that sort of money ($85m) in a couple of years, so if the Clips don't give it to him, someone else will and the Clips will regret not doing it in the long run.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:03 am

The other point is that if they don't show Kandi the money and let him walk, chances are they'll do the same with Brand, Miller and Odom, all of whom have enough market value to test the free agent waters if the Clippers do not show them any respect or loyalty.
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Postby Brave Sir Rubin on Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:24 am

i think that it all depands on how the clipps end the season. if they go to the playoffs, then thier GM will realize the value of his players, including kandy...and then, gladly, show them the money...
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Postby Clinton on Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:24 am

True that. Then the Clips will once again be the lamest organisation in basketball.
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NUMBER 2 CENTER

Postby livemaster on Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:22 pm

its is not Kandi hes in the top 10 but not 2nd Dimbe Moutotobo is prob #2
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Postby Brave Sir Rubin on Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:26 pm

its is not Kandi hes in the top 10 but not 2nd Dimbe Moutotobo is prob #2


retardo? lol...that guyy doesn't even know what offense is...plus he doesn't usew his D skills up to their full potential...

you can summerize him in two words

dumb n' lazy :lol:
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Postby Bill Russell on Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:25 pm

Shaq's the lucky guy here... If Morning were playing he'd be the only guy who could get Shaq one-on-one and still made him work on D...

I'll repeat what I said about Olowokandi again... He's the one the Clips can't afford to lose... Cos he plays the only position the Clips don't have a true quality sub... Wilcox is Brand's sub... and Ely is not a really true C.

He's not worth the max for sure... IMO he could and should get 6/8 million/year... that would be enough... But we all know how the Clips deal with those situation...
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Postby Rens on Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:00 pm

We all know Duncan is number 2
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Postby Boyk on Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:09 pm

Tim Duncan plays Power Forward
he may be a centre really but he PLAYS Power Forward

IMO Zydrunas Ilguaskas is the 2nd best centre
18.9ppg 8.5rpg 2.1bpg

he doesnt get recognised because he plays for cavs who arent having a real season
but he has a nice post game and can shoot the 12-17 footer
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Re: Hang ON!!

Postby Rens on Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:48 pm

Laddas_KB8 wrote:Tim Duncan plays Power Forward
he may be a centre really but he PLAYS Power Forward

So... we can't count players who may be power forwards but who PLAY center... but we also can't count players who may be centers but who PLAY power forward... hmmm... If we'd follow your rules the PFs playing center should be allowed consideration as well.

Laddas_KB8 wrote:he doesnt get recognised because he plays for cavs who arent having a real season
but he has a nice post game and can shoot the 12-17 footer

Maybe it's also because he only played a full season in his rookie campaign averaging 14 points and 9 rebounds (which was if I recall correctly actually his second season, the year after he was drafted he didn't play because of injuries) and he only played 91 games in the next 3 years. He does seem a lot improved this season, but his injured past makes people sceptical about him, eg. can he stay healthy? If he can, he might become very good, if he keeps getting injured he might just be another Bill Walton, but worse, and without the stoopidness
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Postby Brave Sir Rubin on Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:03 am


IMO Zydrunas Ilguaskas is the 2nd best centre
18.9ppg 8.5rpg 2.1bpg


IMO....no....he's had a couple of good games but he'll either break a bone or dtsrt going sft..in other words...he is too inconsistant........hell ming dropped 30 last night...maybe he's the best center??? it's not all about the stats...


So... we can't count players who may be power forwards but who PLAY center... but we also can't count players who may be centers but who PLAY power forward... hmmm... If we'd follow your rules the PFs playing center should be allowed consideration as well.


Duncan never played C in the NBA...
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Postby Rens on Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:00 am

Duncan never played C in the NBA...

So he's not a center?
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Postby :digerati: on Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:52 am

Duncan plays Center whenever Robinson isn't on the floor...Duncan played Center at Wake Forest...Duncan would play Center on almost any other team in the league...

Another fella to consider is the great Erick Dampier...Another great game last night with 31pts 14rebs and 3blks...one of the top ten centers in the league easy...
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Postby Clinton on Sun Nov 24, 2002 12:50 pm

Duncan never played C in the NBA...

He plays centre many, many times a game. Even more now that Robinson's minutes are dropping. He started at centre his whole life before playing for the Spurs. He will start at centre next year unless the Spurs sign another big man or he leaves town for a team with a centre already.
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Postby MajaFiggaz_Early! on Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:00 pm

As Tim Hardaway said The Big Z is the second best center in the league right now...Excluding Ben Wallace as a Power Forward.
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Postby MAKAVELI THE DON on Thu Dec 05, 2002 3:18 am

nah man! i like him, but? i'd put ilzunu illguskus of the cavaliers infront of him. i think illguskus is the most under-rated center in the nba. i've been noticing him since the shortened '99 nba season because of his excellent jumpshot.

in a matter a fact, i think i'd put vlade divac in front of kandi... but not to take anything away from him though, he's a good center.

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Postby Rens on Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:58 am

well.. Big Z is Ilgauskas...
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Postby Tyus Edney's Agent on Sun Dec 08, 2002 1:25 pm

True that. Then the Clips will once again be the lamest organisation in basketball


i've been through that once but never again
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Postby Glyyde on Sun Dec 08, 2002 8:46 pm

hm.... seems that u guys forgot about one player.... YAO MING!!!! he can easily be the 2nd best center in the league right now..... looks at what increase minutes turns out to be for him..... 3 straight double double game....

since the Lakers breakthrough game he is averaging 15.8pts, 8.3rebs, 2.1Blks in only 27.4mins!!! not to mention he is shooting at 63% in that 12 games.......

Big Z? hm... that guys is shooting 36% from the field.... that sucks for a center..... even worse than what a guards normally shoots.....

Vlade Divac...that's the only one I will consider the 2nd best center besides Ming......
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Postby Tyus Edney's Agent on Mon Dec 09, 2002 3:20 am

seems that u guys forgot about one player.... YAO MING!!!!
No, he has only played 20 games in his career.Maybe in few year but right now he is not even close to Kandi, Shaq, and Duncan
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