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by **EGarrett** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:48 am

We're going to try something new.

Post any and all Kobe Bryant related threads and discussions here.

Do NOT flame or attack each other.

Do not start Kobe threads/discussions outside of this topic unless it's about groups of players that could include Kobe. (Your All-NBA team etc). But remember...if you want to discuss Kobe you should do it here.

by **kevC** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:38 pm

what's the purpose of this? cuz kobe is such a flame-causing factor in many of the threads you're trying to put all the heat in this thread?

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:53 pm

The basic idea is to stop threads degenerating into flames regarding Kobe, or even being thrown way off topic at the mere mention of him. If it doesn't work, we'll pull the plug and moderate those posts as we normally would.

by **Bill Russell** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:37 pm

Geez... Good idea, really. Many many threads eventually turn into a Kobe discussion one way or another. (Y)

by **Boyk** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:48 pm

lol, wow this is interesting.

um to start things off, have u seen kobe agaisnt the wolves today, 31pnts 7rebs 12-19FG in 3 quarters. (Y)

heheeheh

(im waiting for nba-fan to get here)

by **PRoPuLsiOnDJ** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:35 pm

kobe is just unstoppable right now ... even garnett couldnt do shit when he was guarding him

by **Amphatoast** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:58 pm

Kobe needs Ron Artest on him now..he might give Kobe the best challenge

by **Fresh8** on Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:36 pm

Kobe is playing like last year again! Hooray- finally him and Shaq are an awesome one-two punch...Shaq provides great D and inside scoring...Kobe scores and leads the team (Although this could be argued upon :wink:

)

By the way:

Late in the game, Bryant got a defensive rebound, turned and fired a perfect lead pass to Rick Fox at the other end of the court for an easy layup. Bryant held his arms up and signaled touchdown as the crowd roared.

Was the crowd cheering on the play or for Kobe...and did they cheer after he signalled touchdown?

AND KOBE FOR MVP- IF LAKERS KNOCK SACTOWN OFF THE TOP!

by **Ruff Ryder** on Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:02 am

Lakers are unstoppable now. The killed Sacto the other night and murdered KG and the Wolves last night.

Hooray for Kobe. Just think......he was supposed to still be on the IR right now.

by **Amphatoast** on Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:54 am

KG for MVP if their record is better than the Lakers....don't give me that crap that Lakers beat them last night, just 1 win, out of 4 games! Blahblahblah malone was out, no excuses, t'wolves been injuried all year too, so there ain't no excuses

by **PRoPuLsiOnDJ** on Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:51 pm

Amphatoast wrote:KG for MVP if their record is better than the Lakers....don't give me that crap that Lakers beat them last night, just 1 win, out of 4 games! Blahblahblah malone was out, no excuses, t'wolves been injuried all year too, so there ain't no excuses

it's all about momentum man ... lakers have it goin right now at the right time.

it's not mere coincidence that they beat sac town by 20+ points and minni by 15+ points on back to back games.

it's officially laker time.

just watch in the playoffs (granted if nobody on the team gets injured)

by **Boyk** on Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:54 pm

Amphatoast wrote:Kobe needs Ron Artest on him now..he might give Kobe the best challenge

Kobe has mentioned a few times that Eric Snow gives him the best Challenge.

About the Wolves game, isnt Trenton Hassel suppose to be a Defensive stopper??

by **Micchy_boy** on Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:35 am

Amphatoast wrote:KG for MVP if their record is better than the Lakers....don't give me that crap that Lakers beat them last night, just 1 win, out of 4 games! Blahblahblah malone was out, no excuses, t'wolves been injuried all year too, so there ain't no excuses

i know that KG will win the MVP. coz no matter how great kobe will be. they just give an excuse that kobe has o'neal, malone and GP on his side. but men Lakers will definitely give a run for a title with kobe as the no.1 option for offense esp. during crunch time, o'neal as the big defensive player (rebounding and shotblocking) plus two ( future hall of fame) role player in malone and GP. plus and definitely a plus (real) role players in fox, george, fisher, walton and slav.

i hope this time KOBE will win his first Finals MVP!!!! hehehehe

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:10 pm

Micchy_boy wrote:i know that KG will win the MVP. coz no matter how great kobe will be. they just give an excuse that kobe has o'neal, malone and GP on his side.

I think you're not giving KG enough credit here, his numbers remain very impressive this season. I personally don't think Kobe will get MVP recognition as long as he plays alongside Shaq. That's not a knock on Kobe, Shaq's dominance and importance to the Lakers simply overshadows Kobe's performance.

by **Fresh8** on Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:03 pm

Well- thats why Kobe wants to leave IMO- cause if hes always with Shaq, he'll never win any of the individual acolades....but he WILL get rings if he plays with Shaq

How many years remain on Shaq's contract? Cause I reakon that Kobe wants to wait and see if the Lakers extend Shaq's contract befor making a decision on whether he leaves or not...I just think thats why he not fully committed to staying or leaving

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:55 pm

Apparently his contract runs through 2004/2005, with a player option for 2005/2006 (source).

by **Boyk** on Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:19 pm

Andrew wrote:
Micchy_boy wrote:i know that KG will win the MVP. coz no matter how great kobe will be. they just give an excuse that kobe has o'neal, malone and GP on his side.

I think you're not giving KG enough credit here, his numbers remain very impressive this season. I personally don't think Kobe will get MVP recognition as long as he plays alongside Shaq. That's not a knock on Kobe, Shaq's dominance and importance to the Lakers simply overshadows Kobe's performance.

Yes but you gotta remember that Kobe is needed also.
His importance and his play on court are also vital to lakers.
Shaq cant be replaced of course, but IMO Kobe cant either.

T-Mac wouldnt last 10 games on the Lakers, due to the way he plays.

Thats why he could not replace kobe.

by **guillus2670** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:12 am

Garnett should be mvp this year he has great numbers but kobe is the best player in the league. He can really decide a game and win it in money time (just like...mj). I think he should stay in L.A. His time will come for individual titles and he can continue playing for the championship each year. Btw shaq will be going down in the years to come especially on offense so kobe will shine more...

by **Ben-le-ouf** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:09 am

As Guillus2670 said, Kobe's time will come.

As long as he stays in LA with Shaq, he will never earn a Season MVP... But if the Lakers win the title and if during these finals Shaq lets Kobe take care of the points as now, then Kobe could be Finals MVP.

by **Jackal** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:15 am

Here's an interesting article: :arrow:

Source.

Singer / Actress Vanessa Williams is offering insight on Kobe Bryant's court dilemma.
As the wife of his Laker teammate, Rick Fox, Williams believes that it would have been beneficial for Bryant to go to college instead of going pro directly from high school.

Noting that college allows for a person to "figure out who you are," Williams believes that it would have helped Bryant "go through experiences that are not covered by the press."

Williams says that she still doesn't know a lot about certain aspects of the NBA and that's a good thing. She says hubby Fox never filled her in on the female drama and that she was "quite naive" about life on the road in the NBA.

Damn that Kobe hater, eh guys? :lol:

No, seriously, what do you guys think?

by **Ruff Ryder** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:25 am

Hmmmm...Interesting.

I think it may have been beneficial for Kobe to go to college because he probably wouldn't have messed up like this. And I don't think that he'd be feuding with shaq right now.

On the other hand, making the jump from highschool to the pro's may not seem as popular a decision. Shaq may have stayed in Orlando and we'd have no T-Mac(in Orlando) or he may have never got better.

by **Fresh8** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:21 pm

Bron may have gone to college...and maybe Brown too!

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:43 pm

Laddas_KB8_CA15 wrote:Yes but you gotta remember that Kobe is needed also.
His importance and his play on court are also vital to lakers.
Shaq cant be replaced of course, but IMO Kobe cant either.

Kobe is a valuable player, a vital part of the Lakers team, no doubt about it. But I'd say Shaq is the most valuable player on the Lakers' roster. That's simply my opinion though, you are free to disagree with it and I respect that fact.

I'm just going by that old way of thinking, that a player who isn't the MVP on his own team shouldn't be named the league's MVP. :wink:

Regarding the article:

As far as his game is concerned, it's pretty much a case of "six of one, half a dozen of the other". I think it's fair to say that he's turned out pretty good despite bypassing college. Had he played in the college system, he might be a little more disciplined though.

Dusting off the old MJ comparisons again, one of the differences I've noticed having watched both players is that while MJ took a lot of shots, he tended to pass the ball around a little more before doing so, especially after Phil became head coach. Kobe tends to shoot the jumper or take it to the basket as soon as he gets the ball in the frontcourt, not always, but often. I must stress I'm not hating on him here, this is just my observation. All I'm saying is that perhaps that wouldn't happen as often had he played in a college coach's system for a couple of years.

As long as that works there probably won't be too many complaints from the Lakers, though I'm sure Phil would prefer him not to be too hasty. Still, as he did with MJ, he'll probably take advantage of Kobe's explosiveness and ability to score a lot of points even if it isn't the ideal situation.

As far as Kobe's legal situation is concerned, I'm not sure college would necessarily have prevented it. He is only human, and we humans make foolish mistakes and poor choices from time to time, unfortunate but true. The discipline of playing college ball might make things different with Shaq though.

by **PRoPuLsiOnDJ** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:47 pm

Dusting off the old MJ comparisons again, one of the differences I've noticed having watched both players is that while MJ took a lot of shots, he tended to pass the ball around a little more before doing so, especially after Phil became head coach. Kobe tends to shoot the jumper or take it to the basket as soon as he gets the ball in the frontcourt, not always, but often.

its true kobe used to look for the shots first ... but that was a couple of years ago. i have to disagree with that for this year's kobe and last year's kobe (except for the time when he scored 40+ in 9 straight games).
when i watch the lakers this year ... kobe looks to pass more than he has in the past. he is averaging 5 assists a game. and kobe has also been careful with his shots (for the most part) ... he only shoots when necessary.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:56 pm

I've seen Kobe play that way this year and last year. I probably haven't seen as many Laker games the last couple of years as you have, but in the games that I have seen he's still had a tendency to pull the trigger fairly quickly. The main difference is although he played that way in the games I've seen this year, he is taking better shots (in my opinion) than he used to.

Again, I'm not hating, that's just my observation based on the games I've seen this season.

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