Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:47 pm
illini wrote:Did you watch those games against the Pistons my friend? on the offensive side of the ball there was NOTHING but lebron. Sure defense had a little team aspect, but Lebron did everything else. Note the two little qualifying words "pretty much": yes i understand there was 4 other players on the floor, but i believe with any semi-decent 4 NBA players (which Big Z and Hughes, certainly and the other 2 are passable) Lebron would still do what he does. Just wait and see. I also wonder if you'd be as mad if i had said the same thing about kobe...
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kevC wrote:In a very particular order:
Wade
Duncan
Yao
Lebron
Dirk
Bryant
Garnett
Nash
Amare
Gasol
Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:05 am
Matt wrote:KB8 6th is a travesty.
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benji wrote:Why does Wade not deserve number one? Why should Gasol not be mentioned? Why is Kobe sixth a travesty? What makes the list more "homertastic" than any of the ones on the first page?
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Shannon wrote:I just don't think it's worth debating who is better of:
Yao Ming vs. Kobe Bryant
Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:47 am
benji wrote:It is not obvious though. You believe those three players to be better than Yao Ming, so to you, it is "obvious" they are. Kevc and others in this thread clearly do not agree with your personal ranking of the players, so you should make the case for why your ranking is the superior one. That is what drives discussion, and discussion forums.
If you find it obvious and not worth your time, why make a snarky comment then? Why make irrelevant declarations, if you have no intention of ever supporting them? We already have more than enough of that.
Irregardless of my own belief on the matter:
Yao Ming is the best player in the league. It is not worth debating, it is damn obvious.
Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:04 am
illini wrote:LakersRule24 wrote:illini wrote:1. Lebron-echoing what everyone else said, he pretty much singlehandedly got the cavaliers into the finals, and thats just ridiculous. I used to hate him because i thought he was overhyped, but now, i cant argue
Players don't win games. TEAMS do. You are just buying into the media hype like many people around the world do.
Did you watch those games against the Pistons my friend? on the offensive side of the ball there was NOTHING but lebron. Sure defense had a little team aspect, but Lebron did everything else. Note the two little qualifying words "pretty much": yes i understand there was 4 other players on the floor, but i believe with any semi-decent 4 NBA players (which Big Z and Hughes, certainly and the other 2 are passable) Lebron would still do what he does. Just wait and see. I also wonder if you'd be as mad if i had said the same thing about kobe...
Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:05 pm
Statistically, the only thing's Yao beats
If I was reading it right, here are the numbers:
Yao on the other hand is strictly a center
Moving onto rebounding.
Quickly touching on turnovers...doesn't handle the ball anywhere near as much
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I do not see how this is a valid argument as to which players are better. Shaq was the unmatched best player in the league for five years, and he was strictly a center. Great players do not necessarily need to be able to play multiple positions. Darius Miles can feasibly play all five positions, and at a minimum four. He does not do more to win than former teammates Zach Randolph or Elton Brand. Steve Nash is essentially strictly a point guard, but that has not stopped people from wanting to bury him in MVPs, despite having more teammates like Shawn Marion and Boris Diaw who can play multiple positions.
A number of things. First, Garnett is arguably only the second best rebounder over the last four years. Reggie Evans is quite a bit ahead of him and everyone else in grabbing rebounds. Yao's rebounding numbers are deflated by the minutes he got and the pace of the Rockets. He did rank 13th for centers, who played 500+ minutes, in rebounding, but Kobe ranked just 23rd out of all guards in rebounding. I only eyeballed and looked at the first 100 forwards, but LeBron certainly was not in the top ten for small fowards. But KG is clearly the better rebounder of the four and any other four that does not include Chandler, Jeff Foster or Evans.
Based on last season, yes, Yao is just as good as the others. But LeBron and KG both had down regular seasons compared to years prior. Kobe's year was also down from 05-06, but still in line with his second best season.
The case is there against Yao, but it is far from "obvious" as you declared.