it dont matter who plays with marbury anyway, they wont get the ball.
So he averaged 9.2 assists with the knicks by shooting airballs, and the other knicks alley ooped them in? Please.. Marbury does dominate the ball alot, butto say he never passes is a joke.
Would I rather have Marbury or Mohammed have the ball? That's not a fair question.
I think its a resonable question, becuase when Allan Houston was injured, who else was there to goto? To critisise Marbury for dominating the ball too much then say its an unfair question about who would you rather have the ball is a contradiction. Without Houston, last season there was no one else to goto for the knicks apart from marbury...
Of course I'd rather have Marbury with the ball. But the point is the keep the ball moving between all five players--yes, Nazr Mohammed, too--so that the defense has to focus on all five players as a scoring threat, not just one.
I dont. I wouldnt mind seeing Kurt Thomas and Tim Thomas getting some extra looks, but i would rather the bulk of the scoring being handled by Marbury and Houston. If they have to dominate the ball to do so, then so be it. These guys can carry a team, plus it will open things up for both thomas', which will also help their game. Good ball movement rarely works these days.
That's why basketball is the highest scoring team game by far
Um, no. AFL gets higher scores sometimes... (aussie rules, yes it is a sport). I think the 24 second shot clock has a big influence as to why basketball gets high scores as well..
and Marbury hasn't shown that ability yet. And there's a reason why players get traded (And by the way, Pippen played on three teams in 17 seasons and he never got traded, just signed as a free agent and that matters). I call it the Keith Van Horn Effect, where a player who has always put up good to decent numbers get traded because they wore out their welcome. For a brief span on their new team, they play very well, as if the change of scenery was all they needed. But the player got traded for a reason, and the same symptoms show up again (no intensity (i.e. Keith Van Horn) or too selfish, takes bad shots (like Antoine Walker, who just got traded, for the same reasons that got him kicked out of Boston in the first place)). If Marbury doesn't get it right this time, then he has the opportunity to redefine the KVH Effect for all time. I hope he does get it right this time, and doesn't redefine the KVH Effect.
As Andrew said, Pippen was traded. Marbury is not a team cancer however. Before the trade to the knicks, look at what teams had to give up to get him: Sam Cassel and Jason Kidd... thats right, two of the best point guards in the last 5 seasons. Phoenix also gave him a monster contract... he isn't a rubbish player.
Yes, with Marbury and the new players, they are a good playoff team, with maybe one piece away. But they are one good piece away, and the situation they're in right now, they have neither the cap space nor the trade assets to add that one piece.
They may already have that piece in Tim Thomas or Vin Baker.. and you never know who might become available. Who would've thought Tmac or shaq would be traded at the start of last season?
And maybe Allan Houston will be fully healed. And maybe Marbury will start playing like a true point. And maybe Tim Thomas will get his head on straight. And maybe Dampier and Crawford will play hard. And maybe (and this one's a big maybe) Vin Baker won't drink his way out of a career (although he's done that twice already). But that's a lot of maybe's and history's against the Knicks, so...
I'd rather see them at least attempt to get somthing done rather than be in almost the same cap situation, with no chance of making the playoffs, and getting the 10th pick in the draft. Who would they have gotten in this years draft? Luke Jackson?
I live in New York, so I'd like to see them do well. But the series of frustrating trades and signings... I mean, really. There's a difference between being cynical and realistic, and between optimistic and stupid. I'm probably closer to the cynical/realistic side on this one.
Well, great, i live in sydney but im also a knicks fan... but I dont think the situation is that bad. And adding Jamal Crawford isn't a bad move at all. I think he can play, is a good insurance to allan houston, and could even be used as trade bait in the future.
So, we can't trade, we can't sign marquee free agents, so we can't add any more players: we can't add that one more piece until at least 4 to 5 seasons from now.
You wouldn't have been able to sign marquee free agents anyway. I doubt there would have been any great players available for othella harrington and frank williams either.
he got Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford....the backcourt from hell (because we all know Houston will be injured). Not enough ball to go around. Craword is getting $55/7 (?)....that's a lot for an inconsistent player thant doesn't play defense and shoots 40%. All Thomas did was get the team to the playoffs and they seem stuck there.....congratulations your mediocre. Instead of getting a TEAM IT is stacking up on individuals. The froncourt is weak to say the least
Oh yeah the backcourt from hell... Marbury sure does suck doesnt he? I guess Iverson sucks, as does tmac, and kobe, and ray allen, and steve francis, and lebron, and carmelo... but darko rulllleezzz!!!
... you say the knicks seem stuck there? Thats without kurt thomas, allan houston and jamal crawford. Vin Baker wasnt active either. This knicks team has the chance to improve.Nash IMO will be a much better fit with the young team than Marbury even could be. Nash makes that up tempo game even better and instead of having another scorer in there, you have a playmaker. If you've seen Team USA play this year when Marbury is on the court, you'll see why I think Nash will be better than Marbury ever could.
Yeah I'm going to judge a player off pre olympic trial matches, great logic
. Just think back to the 2003 suns/spurs series and see how effective marbury was as a sun. He was their leader, not a cancer as some make out.No Q isn't better than JJ, but he's a good player. He's more depth. Marion or JJ can be used to acquire a big man. If not, then I'm pretty Suns are very happy with Nash/Barbosa/Q/JJ/Marion/Zarko/Jacobsen at the 1,2, and 3. You also fail to forget that the Suns acquired two young Euros, in Maciej Lampe and Milos Vujanic, with both worth at least a future first. Vujanic is one of the top prospects in Europe and for good reason. Lampe is a huge project, but he was projected top 10-15 in the 2003 draft before his buyout got in the way. Not to mention the Suns received a 2004 1st rounder and a future first. If you don't call that ripping a team off, I don't know what is.
Marbury/jj/marion/ penny/ jacobson/ zarko > Nash/Barbosa/Q/JJ/Marion/Zarko/Jacobsen... the suns only got lampe and vujanic out of that deal, and a steve nash who is good at running a team, but not better than marbury. I'd probbaly take penny over quentin richardson as well. the 04 first rounder wont be worth much, the knicks will be in the playoffs. considering all the suns got was cap space which they pretty much wasted, and big project players who have as big a chance of being a bust as they do of being nothing for marbury, a top 5 point guard, then im going to say new york got the better of the deal.
Would you rather have a core of Marbury (who you even admitted is a ball-dominater and another reason why I feel Nash is a much better fit)/Marion/Amare/JJ/Barbosa (+ youngster in Zarko) or a core of Nash/Marion/Amare/JJ/Barbosa/Q, plus youngsters in Zarko, Lampe, Vujanic, 2 1st rounders next year, and a future first somewhere down the line? I think it's a no-brainer here.
Yes, I would. Marbury is alot better than Nash. Lampe and Vujanic might not do anything, and who knows what will happen next year? the pick they recieve from new york might not even be top 20... that for marbury? not good... and from new yorks perspective, its great! becuase they wouldnt have been able to get nash via free agency, so they got marbury for project players.
1) Payroll, that's pretty self-explanatory when the NBA cap is at 43 million and you're over 100 million. 2) Prospects. Whether they develop or not, you're looking into the future. Sorry, I don't see it for either team, thus why I would keep the prospects so maybe the Knicks can compete for the future. You're giving up as I said earlier, at least 4 1st rounders. So what are the Knicks left with? No future (no prospects except for Sweetney, no draft picks, no salary, except for the MLE). They're a win right now team. Do you really think they're going to win it all with Marbury/Crawford/Houston (see a problem there already)/TT (another problem)/KT (now that's a stud)/Nazr/and Mike Sweetney, not to mention Lenny as coach?
Their hands were tied with the cap anyway, so trading for marbury wasnt bad at all. I don't think they will win it all, but at least they are progressing. With the projects they traded for marbury, there is absolutely no gaurantee they will amount to anything... at least with marbury you get an allstar. if lampe and that other guy become superstars, ill admit the knicks did wrong.. but if they dont, i think new york did great in getting marbury.
I've already mentioned the Marbury trade. That's a big one. I thought he made a terrible move by trading KVH and Doleac for TT and Nazr. I like Nazr, but Doleac was Marbury's best pick and pop partner, with KT a close second. Doleac isn't the best player, but for a good 15-20 minutes if utilized correctly, there's a big problem for the defense. Secondly, Marbury needs spot up shooters to pass to off the pick and roll. KVH was one. TT is not. Marbury getting a pick from Doleac can either pass to Doleac for an 18 footer, take the jumper, or drive the basket, where he has a few options, among them go for the layup, or drive-and-dish. What did Nazr do? Upgrade the defense and rebounding, take away some offense. What did TT do? Add to the fast break, another creator, but his defense is as bad as KVH's and Marbury no longer has that solid spot up shooter to pass to. However, if he never traded for Marbury, I wouldn't have a problem with this trade.
So you think Doleac is a good shooter that extends the defense, but tt isnt? lol ok...
. Kurt Thomas can be Marbury's pick and pop partner... thomas has a nice shot from either baseline. And if you think allan houston isnt a good spot up shooter, then i suggest you watch some gametape. He is as good a shooter as there is in the nba.Finally, I'm not sold on this JC trade. Again, if Marbury was never acquired, this trade wouldn't be all that bad. For starters, there go your expiring contracts. Ok, you're in the biggest market for pratically anything, but that still doesn't justify being 50 million over the cap. Heck, in 3 years, they'll be over the cap even with only 6 players under guaranteed contract. Is some of this IT's fault? No. He didn't sign Anderson or Houston, but is it his job to lower that salary figure? Yes. If I'm Dolan, I would be losing sleep over the player salaries when compared to the quality. Secondly, I don't see a Marbury/JC or JC/Houston backcourt working, especially not with Tim Thomas there. I'll reiterate that Marbury needs spot up shooters to pass to, especially off the pick and roll. JC and TT are at their best creating their own shots (while forgetting about teammates). They're mediocre spot-up shooters. I can also see a major problem with sharing the ball, knowing the rep of the players.
Crawford won't be starting... and he isnt going to be the superstar new york needs.. however, he doesnt hurt them. Trading for marbury doesnt hurt them becuase even with the expiring contracts, they would still be over the cap. and im not dolan, so i dont care about how much money it costs him..
Not only Q younger, the better scorer now, better rebounder, the far more dynamic player, the player with more potential, the better post scorer, Penny has a bigger contract money wise for 2 years, although Q's contract is longer. The 04 first rounder already happened, I don't know how it "wont be worth much." The Suns cleared up cap space by dealing it and have Q and Nash as a result. I don't see how the Suns wasted cap space when they got 
Thus why I said "Marbury/JC" "JC/Houston" and left out Marbury/Houston since everything I've read indicates the starting lineup and JC will backup both the 1 and 2, so he will only come in off the bench. They would still be over the cap for the next 2 years, but not for the 3rd year. Instead, they're over the cap significantly for 3 years now. And yes, of course, 1 season makes the world's difference. I think you will care how much money Dolan spends if and when the Knicks don't win the Finals, have no almost no draft picks, can't re-sign FA's (unless they have Bird's rights) and can't sign FA's unless they use the MLE, which would make the cap situation even worse, and thus, helping my argument even more.
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